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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: j1mbr0wn on Sunday 27 December 20 22:41 GMT (UK)
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I'm looking for the birth date of Margaret Dunbar who ,married David Reid Laverie.
She was born 1850 in Tongland, there are a couple of people on My Heritage that has her birthdate as 8 Jan 1850 i cant din where this is coming from. I cannot get in touch with them ( no Subscription), I can't find it on SP i have subscription to Find My Past and can't find i there either.
I cant find an MI either, she died in Glenburnie Cottage in Glenluce 1914 and not in the old kirkyard there.
I don't like adding anything to my trees without absolute confirmation, can anyone help with this
She's 2x G Grandmother so kind of important.
Thank you
Jim Brown
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Hi Jim
As you have found, there is nothing showing for Margaret in the Old Parish Registers on SP. This is the only source for this info so if not there it means her birth was not registered or registers have been lost over the years. SP only has sister Mary's details from 1852 and then you move to statutory registers from 1855. Her brother Norman's details are also not showing. Maybe the Tongland registers have not survived. Mary was born in Kelton wasn't she?
So the source for this date that is been used is hard to say. Could be on her burial/gravestone. Could there also be a family bible where this info was included? Hard to say isn't it :-\
Monica
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Ancestry have these details on her death and burial:
Death Date: 4 Mar 1914
Death Place: Glenburnie
Burial Date: 7 Mar 1914
Burial Place: Glenluce, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Grave Number: 358
Interment Number: 21
Unless there is a remaining stone with a date (or it was recorded at some time if it not there today), don't think there will be any confirmation of her birth details from her death and burial info.
Monica
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I have sent Jim a PM with information.
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Were any children born 1855(Jane?) ?
Is there a chance birth dates have been included for other children ?
If you don't have that already , it would be worthwhile downloading it just for the extra information.
1855 register entries
In 1855, the first year of statutory civil registration, the following additional information was recorded:
Other children and whether they were living or deceased
Ages of both parents
Birthplaces of both parents
Parents’ usual residence
Baptismal name (if different).
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/guides/statutory-register-births#1855%20register%20entries
ev
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Jane was born in Jan 1855 but it just lists 1 boy and 3 girls. (add - in Kelton)
Margaret's parents, Peter Dunbar and Mary Johnstone, were married Nov 1846, Twynholm.
Margaret gives her age as 20 (so maybe b 1849) when she marries in July 1869, Crossmichael
I was wondering if the records for that period are missing, as some of my family's records were for Parton, but the NRS coverage listings suggest not.
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there are a couple of people on My Heritage that has her birthdate as 8 Jan 1850 i cant din where this is coming from
Jane was born 5th January 1855. I wonder if this record was misread as 8th and mistaken for Margaret :-\
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Just to note that her age is given as 61 in the death index, 1914. I know that ages on death entries are notoriously erroneous and Ive not seen the entry to see who was the informant.
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There are transcriptions here, may be worth scrolling through?
https://homepages.rootsweb.com/~scottish/D-GInscriptions.html
Annie
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Nothing for Glenluce, Annie :-\
Or Any in the MIs that have now gone online.
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Thanks Gadget!...
I didn't have time to search myself & for some reason (CTRL + f) didn't work for me which would mean literally scrolling each?
Annie
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I have sent Jim a PM with information.
Did you manage to find some confirmation on her birth date? Just curious me ::)
Monica
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I noted David Reid Laverie died "16 Feb 1927 Glenburnie Cottage, Glen Luce, Wigtonshire, Scotland"
Has an MI been sought/found for him which may not provide a maiden name for Margaret?
An example, it may simply read "his wife Margaret..."?
Annie
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Has anyone got access to the local papers. I've checked the BNA. The online Wigtownshire Free Press doesn't show anything.
Gadget
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This family info has a different birthday for Margaret Dunbar, on 5 August 1849 www.graham-clan.co.uk/thefamilytree/familygroup.php?familyID=F1942&tree=tree1
No indication of source of this info :-\
Monica
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That ties in with her age at marriage, Monica. Reply #5.
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That is what I thought. Robert Reid Leverie burial details show:
Death Date: 16 Feb 1927
Death Place: Glenburie
Burial Date: 19 Feb 1927
Burial Place: Glenluce, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Grave Number: 358
Interment Number: 31
Wife Margaret shows the same grave number and interment number 21. Gadget, any thoughts on what interment number means here? If it is the number of people buried in one grave....seems a lot unless it was common ground? Not sure.
Monica
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Ancestry have these details on her death and burial:
Death Date: 4 Mar 1914
Death Place: Glenburnie
Burial Date: 7 Mar 1914
Burial Place: Glenluce, Wigtownshire, Scotland
Grave Number: 358
Interment Number: 21
I have both MI booklets for Glenluce and there is nothing in there with her name, i also took photos of every stone in the kirkyard about 10 years ago and i thin I've through them all but nothing. I wonder if there s a map of the plots somewhere that might help.
Jim
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I have sent Jim a PM with information.
Perfect just what i was looking for, thank you.
Jim
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Were any children born 1855(Jane?) ?
Is there a chance birth dates have been included for other children ?
If you don't have that already , it would be worthwhile downloading it just for the extra information.
1855 register entries
In 1855, the first year of statutory civil registration, the following additional information was recorded:
Other children and whether they were living or deceased
Ages of both parents
Birthplaces of both parents
Parents’ usual residence
Baptismal name (if different).
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/guides/statutory-register-births#1855%20register%20entries
ev
Unfortunately not, would have been nice if there were.
Jim
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Just to note that her age is given as 61 in the death index, 1914. I know that ages on death entries are notoriously erroneous and Ive not seen the entry to see who was the informant.
Informant was here husband, i have a copy of the death certificate. He died in 1927.
Jim
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There are transcriptions here, may be worth scrolling through?
https://homepages.rootsweb.com/~scottish/D-GInscriptions.html
Annie
Thank you, i have a look through that for any other info.
Jim
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I have sent Jim a PM with information.
Did you manage to find some confirmation on her birth date? Just curious me ::)
Monica
I did thanks to Neale, the family bible photo gave me the date and the Old Luce interments gave me the plot number, but i think i need a map of the plots.
Jim
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Great news :)
Monica
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Great news :)
The plot number (lair) would probably be held by Dumfries and Galloway Council. I phoned them and got the info for mine in KKD. There are some booklets that give plans and plot numbers. Unfortunately, I only have ones for MIs for KKD.
Gadget