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Joseph Whitehead b Wandsworth 1815 & Amelia Pedgrift baptised 20.1.1822 Norfolk married 1841 Surrey
The couple are found in 1851 - no children. HO107/1568/124/5. Amelia’s birthplace Norwich
1861 Joseph is shown as married but no Amelia & no children. RG9/339/79/28
1871/1881 - Joseph is now with Elizabeth Whitcombe & has 3 children by her - no marriage. Elizabeth dies 1883 & Joseph 1899. Elizabeth was single in 1861 so if Joseph was a widower there wasn’t anything to stop them marrying. Their children were all registered as Whitehead.
There is an 1853 death in Marylebone but that Amelia is 50 per GRO online. Her burial record shows her as 51 which is clearly written and has an address in Marylebone. However - I would be happier if I could find a matching 1851 entry for her to rule her out as being Amelia b 1822.
Can anybody find Amelia Whitehead b 1802 on the 1851 census in the ?? Marylebone area?
Can anybody find Amelia Whitehead nee Pedgrift b 1822 Norfolk after 1851?
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There's this one in 1851 transcribed as Amelia Whikhead - could be Whitehead -
born 1802 age 49 sister in law unmarried
Rest of household
Timothy Owlett 49 head
Constance Owlett 76 mother
Sarah Smith 24 servant
Mary Ann Morrison 16 servant
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Brilliant Milliepede. Thank you so much. I can now definitely rule out the 1853 death as the 1851 address is the same as that on the 1853 burial record. I am helping a friend who has just resumed her FH & is having a problem finding Amelia.
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Doesn't help except to also confirm:
"On the 9th inst. Miss Amelia Whitehead, of Milton-street, Dorset-square."
The Standard, Tuesday, Oct. 11, 1853
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Thanks for that Maddy. The hunt continues!!
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When was the first child born Joseph had with Elizabeth?
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The only other shred, and don't know which Amelia it is, is a workhouse entry 14 Feb 1852 Marylebone but is that the name of the child born?
It says mother from w/house and lying in ward.
No mothers name on the birth registration.
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Sorry - only just got back in. Yes - the WH entry is an illegitimate child. My friend had been led to believe it was Amelia hence the 1853 death which has definitely been ruled out
Son Joseph Whitehead was b Dec qtr 1861 Newington - mmn Whitcombe
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Thanks for the info re the son born 1861.
Still hunting for the right Amelia. There was a hint to an Emily Whitehead widow 66 born Norwich living Westminster, think it was 1891 census, but you have probably ruled her out already.
Hmmm :-\
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Thanks again Milliepede. - That’s an interesting find - at the moment no obvious 1871/81 entry for her which makes me wonder. Joseph only died 1899 but will do some more digging & get back to you
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Still looking ...
However, these may be of interest to your friend re Joseph WHITEHEAD:
"QUEEN-SQUARE.- George Edwards, a well-dressed young man, was yesterday placed at the bar, charged with stealing four or five umbrellas from the robing-room of the Court of Queen's Bench.
Joseph Whitehead, a waiter, stated that at half-past four that afternoon he saw the defendant go to the umbrella-stand and help himself to several, which he was proceeding towards the stairs with, when witness stopped him and gave him into custody.
Prisoner declared he did not mean to take them. He was merely looking for his own.
He was remanded until this day (Saturday)."
Morning Post, Saturday, Dec. 11, 1841
"James Whitehead, a waiter at the Belgrave Mansions Company, Grosvenor-gardens, was charged with stealing a bottle of sherry, value 3s., the goods of Mr. Alexander McKinnon, a gentleman residing in the mansions.
Mr. Charles States, the manager of the company, said the defendant had been in the service of the company four months. Last Sauturday, from information he received, he saw the bottle of sherry in the pantry cupboard belonging to the prisoner, and taxed him with the theft. The prisoner was then asked whether it was McKinnon's sherry, and he said "Yes;" and then upon the waiter who had informed against him, being confronted with him, he said "It was a 'plant,' and had been put there by someone else." Witness then asked him how that could be when he had acknowledged the sherry to be his. Mr. McKinnon offered him to leave the house in five minutes or be given into custody.
Charles Hussey, the fellow-waiter of the defendant, proved that he opened a fresh case of sherry, and one of the bottles was missed. This bottle he saw the prisoner put into the cupboard.
Mr. States wished to recommend the prisoner to mercy on account of his wife and family. His offence was attributable to drink.
He was remanded to this day week."
Morning Post, Tuesday, Feb. 18, 1873
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That's brilliant Maddy. In 1851 Joseph's occ was "waiter in robing room" and just "waiter" in 1861/71.
Not sure about the connection to James Whitehead though. Joseph's oldest son was only b 1861 and was also Joseph
My friend reckons Joseph must have buried Amelia under the patio ;D
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Do you think the second report that says James really meant to say Joseph?
What address was Joseph at in 1871 to see if it could have been him?
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Yes, I wondered if "James" was really "Joseph" given the similarity of occupations.
The first case in 1841 can be found in Old Bailey Online
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q55/
which says Joseph worked at Howard's coffee rooms, at the Queen's Bench, at Westminster.
What address was Joseph at in 1871 to see if it could have been him?
Joseph and Elizabeth and children are at 16 Park Rd, Lambeth (say they are both married, which is different to the 1881 where he says he is a widow and she uses WHITCOMBE and is unmarried ).
Very intriguing bunch! :)
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I am sorry but I am going to have to leave this thread for the time being as my brother died earlier tonight.
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Oh Carole, I am so sorry to hear that. Sincere condolences.
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I think I was wrong. Initially couldn't find a James WHITEHEAD who was a waiter in the 1871, but have found one now with wife Ann and son James at Poplar. So it may be him referred to in the sherry case. :-[
Will keep looking for Amelia.
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So very sorry Carole. Take care of yourself.
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Carole
Wishing you strength and comfort through this difficult time. Take care.
EDITED to add - might this be Amelia?
Amelia Whitehead age 30 , no occupation
Arrival Date: 5 Jul 1855
Port of Departure: London
Destination: USA
Port of Arrival: New York, New York, USA
Ship Name: Ocean Queen
New York, U.S., Arriving Passenger and Crew Lists (including Castle Garden and Ellis Island), 1820-1957
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27TQ-71M
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All thoughts with you, Carole.
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So sorry, Carole. My condolences to you.
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Thank you all for your condolences - they are much appreciated. My brother was 87 & had suffered heart problems etc for many years. He went into hospital on Saturday as he was in heart failure & had pneumonia. He died peacefully last night.
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Hi Carole, so sorry to hear of your loss. Take care.
John
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I have only just registered with Roots. I stumbled across your chat re Amelia Pedgrift / Whitehead. I am the Gt. Granddaughter of Joseph Whitehead b 1814 and Elizabeth Whitcombe and have been trying to solve the mystery of Amelia for the last 30 years! My Grandmother was Elizabeth Whitehead b 1863, who married Frederick John Clarke
As far as I can discover, it looks as though Amelia was a servant / lodger in Joseph Whitehead senior's household in 1841, when his son Joseph was 25. They married on Aug 10th 1841 and are listed as married in the Census of 1851, but I think this record suggests that she was handicapped in some way. There is no sign of her in the Census of 1861, but Joseph is described as married. His own son, Joseph was born in 1861, mother Elizabeth Whitcombe, who is later listed as 'Housekeeper'. I can't find a marriage for Joseph and Elizabeth, but in 1881 and 1891 , she is described as his 'wife'.
The suggestion that Amelia Whitehead went off to America, presumably after splitting from Joseph, would offer an answer, but I'm not convinced that it's the right one. I would be interested in any other info that you may have.
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I don't know if we've now passed this point but Amelia Whitehead (nee Pedgrift) d.1853 is included in Ancestry with Josephs parents and Joseph and Amelia's three children.
I descend from Joseph, son of Joseph,'s sister.