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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: kooky on Sunday 13 December 20 10:29 GMT (UK)
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Have my gt gr father John Edward Boshell in Ancestry Thru lines. B about 1841.
Also have his father my 2x gt gr father, same name.
However there is no mention of my 2x gt gr mother.
All born Dublin
Any ideas on finding the first John's mother and the older John's wife?
Kooky
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Any christian names for them?
When & where did John Edward b 1841 marry? there is an 1875 marriage showing in Dublin to Susan Dowzard
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Kooky -- may I ask the name of the ancestor who led you back to John Edward Boshell please?
I am asking simply because there was a John Boshill from Blanchardstown, Dublin, baptised on 13 May 1841 -- but his father was James and mother was Mary Mills.
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Carole, yes Susan Dowzard married John E Boshell.
They were my gt gr parents. Their daughter Annie was my grandmother.
She married Robert Henry Kane in 1907.
They had my father Herbert Boshell Kane in 1910.
They are found on the 1911 census in Bray.
Pennines, My explanation as above!
Kooky
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OK -- thank you Kooky.
I'm having no success at the moment finding his baptism. Don't worry though - whenever I say that, a hawkeye Rootschatter normally finds something!
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If it helps, my Boshell ancestors were usually not Roman Catholic!
Kooky
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Carole, yes Susan Dowzard married John E Boshell.
Marriage 1874
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11245/8123753.pdf
Their daughter Annie was my grandmother.
She married Robert Henry Kane in 1907.
They had my father Herbert Boshell Kane in 1910.
They are found on the 1911 census in Bray.
1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Bray_No_1/Dargle_Terrace/891247/
KG
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This isn't a baptism -- but MAY be the parents' marriage - however it is RC.
A John Boshell married a Margaret Fogarty at St Pauls Arran Quay, Dublin on 30 Nov 1843 -no parents names but witnesses Thomas Smyth and Anna Bond.
In addition there is a register of marriages (alphabetical order) on Ancestry which I have never seen before - showing a list from St Paul's from 1837 to 1857. Included in this list are both a John Bushell and a Christopher Bushell. (I just wondered if he might be a brother -- OR a red herring!)
There is only a reference number against their names and this shows 2203 for John Bushell.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/61039/images/08828_06_0004?treeid=&personid=&hintid=&queryId=0da22f72d5c89390f37599a765fa79bb&usePUB=true&_phsrc=qvp8578&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.199628841.68720745.1607626572-390728886.1551268059&pId=10058121
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Thanks for this 8)
Kooky
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Background stuff!
Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927, on ancestry
October 1873
John Boshell, born 12 June 1841, Dublin
address 97 Dorset Street, Dublin
On the SS Princess Alexandra
Crew lists
In 1870 he was saying he was 26
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cl/007604434_00437.pdf
First page
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cl/007604434_00436.pdf
His mate's certificate testimonials tells us that he was in the Royal Navy
Boshell, John
Place of Birth: Dublin, Ireland
Slightly different date of birth! In June 1843
Royal Navy Continuous Service Engagement Books
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7883014
I think date of volunteering is actually 30 June 1861 (not 1843!)
See with image viewer or download for free
When on the Rinaldo he was sick twice in 1862
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10554362
Birth of first son Edward John, 16 April 1875, Dublin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03103/2137917.pdf
Then there was James Edward Albert, b 13 Dec 1876, died soon after
Birth of daughter Annie, 14 February 1879
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02932/2074323.pdf
His death in hospital, 3 June 1888, a widower? Age 47.
Indexed everywhere as Boskell
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1888/06178/4765959.pdf
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Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927, on ancestry
October 1873
John Boshell
address 97 Dorset Street, Dublin
Birth of first son Edward John, 16 April 1875, Dublin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03103/2137917.pdf
Born at 5 Caroline Row.
Informant Mary Ann Kelly, present at birth, 97 up Dorset Street
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jonw65,
Thanks for all this info.
I do have some of it!
Kooky
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Ah, now we all have it!
It is quite an interesting picture.
Not to be taken too seriously, honestly ;D but we are desperate, I just mention a plain Mary Boshell, widow, who married James Kelly, at St Thomas Dublin in 1850 (same church as JE married Susan in 1874)
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-80-3-3-060
John
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Marriage at St Mary Dublin, 4 Feb 1875
John Minchin Whitaker, Gentleman
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Catherine Kelly, Spinster, 97 Upper Dorset St, father James Kelly, Gentleman
Witnessed by a Mary Kelly
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-277-3-12-006
A bill in 1894 to dissolve the marriage!
A bit away from James Kelly, the labourer.
I may have gone down a blind alley?
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Here are John & Catherine as witness' at a marriage of another Kelly !
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/4113f10541638
Tara
Thank you, Tara.
A link to the image
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-298-3-10-101
26 Dec 1876, St George Dublin
William Gerald Milligan
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Mary Jane Kelly, Spinster, 25 Hardwick St, father James Kelly, Clerk
witnesses John Minchin Whitaker, C A Whitaker
Back to the birth reg of John Edward Boshell's second son James at 96 North Strand Road, Dublin
Registered 23 January 1877
Informant Mary Kelly, present at birth, 25 Hardwick St
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03024/2108210.pdf
So there is a definite link of some kind here!
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Well done JonW on all you have found. So he was definitely born in 1841.
In case he wasn't born in Ireland, I have checked the British Army births, England and Wales Civil Reg - and Scotland Parish Registers. Sadly no trace of John Edward in any of those.
Irish research can be so frustrating I'm afraid.
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Kooky
While there is no entry for a Kelly at 96 North Strand for 1877 in The Irish Times ,I notice that some years later lodgings were offered there. This could have been caused by the international economic recession of the mid 1870s.
Perhaps of greater interest to you is an entry in The Calendar of Ancient Records of Dublin Vol.14 Page 76 where a John Boshell made an unsuccessful bid for the letting of tolls and customs for 1 year from Michaelmas 1788.
Felix Quaxer
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Thanks Pennines.
Not looking so good for the Kelly - Boshell marriage, if James the father of the Kelly girls was a clerk, he would have had to have been able to write!
Any more contributions?
Susan’s death in 1882 perhaps?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1882/06386/4833168a.pdf
Thanks, heywood.
Susan died at 6 Charlemont Parade
I wonder who the informant was? Mary Jane Kelly of the same address!
I thought she was supposed to have married William Gerald Milligan in 1876!
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To clarify.
The death of Edward aged 22. He was John and Susan's son.
I have no idea if the family lived at Cork St. with the Dowzards.
Edward Boshell died in the workhouse, 22 August 1897. From 28 Cork Street.
Link to cert on an old thread, "Elizabeth Maud Boshell b. 1880"
Thom's 1897 Dublin street directory has a Mrs. Dowzard listed at 28 Cork Street.
Elizabeth Dowzard is there in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Merchants_Quay/Cork_Street/1298328/
Edward Dowzard junior gave it as his address on marriage in 1888.
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-117-3-7-047
Edward Boshell's workhouse admission on 14 August 1897 (there may be an earlier one). He is number 2225. Labourer.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9LH-3HK6
Kooky, you need to come back to us.
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Kooky
Following on JonW 65 the Irish Times has the following:
22/8/1889 28 Cork St. Page 1 Deaths Edward Douzard (sic)
1/12/1882 6 Charlemont Parade Page 1 Deaths Susan (wife of John E. Boshell)
Felix Quaxer
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22/8/1889 28 Cork St. Page 1 Deaths Edward Douzard (sic)
1/12/1882 6 Charlemont Parade Page 1 Deaths Susan (wife of John E. Boshell)
Here they are typed out:
Irish Times - 22 August 1889
DOUZARD – August 21, 1889, at the Adelaide Hospital, Edward Douzard, aged 70 years, for 40 years in the service of the Bank of Ireland. Funeral from his residence 28 Cork Street, on to-morrow (Friday) morning at 9 o’clock.
Irish Times - 01 December 1882
BOSHELL – November 29, at No 6 Charlemount Parade, North Strand, Susan, the beloved wife of John E. Boshell – Funeral will leave above address for Finglas Graveyard at 10 o’clock to-morrow (Saturday), December 2.
KG
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Yes! Thank you all for your interest!
Susan Boshell nee Dowzard, died shortly after the birth of daughter Susan in 1882.
Edward Dowzard, her father, died in 1889.
I have been busy with a family tree for a friend. I think I need to get back to my own family ::)
Kooky