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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: macbun on Wednesday 25 November 20 14:38 GMT (UK)
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Hello can anyone point me in the right direction.
I am trying to obtain the exact date of birth for Patrick McLaughlin in order that I can apply for a birth certificate.
Limited Army records shows that Patrick was born in 1880 in Ballycastle County Antrim, other records suggest that it could be plus or minus by about one year.
I know that he died in France on 27-10-1914, ( Service number 5736, 2nd BTN RIR). I have no details for his parents.
Any advice please would be greatly appreciated. thanks
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You don't need to order a birth certificate (unless you need a certified copy for legal reasons, etc.).
Do you know the parents or any other details to confirm any certificate found is for the correct person?
There are 13 Patrick McLaughlins in Ballycastle registration district- closest is one born 1878- an illegitimate son of a Mary McLaughlin on 13 Sept.1878-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02956/2082730.pdf
There are 3 in 1875...
I also checked for Unknown McLaughlins in case he was registered without a Christian name but nothing came close to 1880.
Added- might have something about him downstairs so will post if I do find something.
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Decided not to wait in case I'd forget and it was the story that I remembered ;)
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/853872/PATRICK%20McLAUGHLIN/
Patrick McLaughlin in 1911 with wife Catherine & son-
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycastle/Mill_Street/112796/
Sadly, Catherine died a short while after Patrick, aged 28 years, leaving 5 children-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1915/05275/4464535.pdf
The marriage gives his father as Patrick McLaughlin-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10014/5642120.pdf
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Further to aghadowey's findings, two further children (Catharine & James) born to Patrick and his wife in 1912 and 1913.
MMN Simpson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01504/1610859.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01444/1590752.pdf
KG
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Catherine died as the result of childbirth. Here's the youngest child born 1915-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01389/1571234.pdf
For reference here's a link to earlier topic-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=593131.0
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Thanks so much to aghadowey and Kiltaglassan for the quick replies and links.
This is indeed the Patrick I was looking for. I was trying to get his exact DOB in order to get his birth certificate in order to hopefully get some details on one or both of his parents and therefore another branch to the tree…. At least I have his dads name now.
If this helps with other searches, I know that William was of the Protestant faith , possibly church of Ireland as he is remembered in Ramoan Church of Ireland Ballycastle as someone from the Parish who died in WW1 – I have tried there but they have no records of him, he is also remembered on Ballycastle’s War Memorial.
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Sorry but you may not have his father's name. IF he's the illegitimate birth in 1878 then he might have given father's name as Patrick McLaughlin even if it wasn't his father (could be grandfather, uncle, stepfather, mother's partner or just a made-up name).
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Just throwing this in.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633083#page/50/mode/1up
Patrick of Mary McLaughlin and (according to her testimony Wm. B. Black etc.)
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If the 1878 Patrick is correct then this is likely the William B. Black accused of being the child's father-
Probate of the Will of William Boyes Black late of Ballycastle County Antrim Auctioneer and General Merchant who died 9 October 1897 at Bath County Somerset granted at Belfast to Sarah Jane Black of Ballycastle Widow. (Will covers 7 pages)
Administration (with the Will) of the Unadministered Estate of William Boyes Black late of Ballycastle County Antrim Auctioneer and General Merchant who died 9 October 1897 at Bath County Somerset granted at Belfast to Robert Charles Black Merchant
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
Patrick McLaughlin mentioned in Ballycastle Heroes (more details in book) as well as William Boyes Black's son Harold-
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/RobertThompsonBallycastle.htm
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Thanks Gaffy
after the wording on the entry for the Baptisms, William B Black, there is a word in brackets, it looks like Acatholicus. would you know what that means and on the same line there is a ladys name, Margaret McMahon. Would you have any idea why her name is there, witness etc?
Thanks so much , its an interesting angle!
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It means non-Catholic-
https://latin-dictionary.net/definition/338/acatholicus-acatholica-acatholicum
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.......and on the same line there is a ladys name, Margaret McMahon.
She is the sponsor (spr) - see two lines above.
KG
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Thanks Gaffy
after the wording on the entry for the Baptisms, William B Black, there is a word in brackets, it looks like Acatholicus. would you know what that means and on the same line there is a ladys name, Margaret McMahon. Would you have any idea why her name is there, witness etc?
Thanks so much , its an interesting angle!
As others have posted, it means that William B Black was reputed to be the father, in this context it means that he was protestant, Margaret McMahon was the godmother, this birth took place 2 years before William Black, son of merchant tailor Denis Black, got married in Belfast to the youngest daughter of the deceased Edward King of Bray, County Wicklow:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11046/8040608.pdf
Denis Black's will (died and probate granted 1875) is available to read online via the PRONI Will Calendars, the following links are: his marriage in 1846; his widow and daughter's family in 1901:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1846/09301/5367601.pdf (groom's father Robert Black, a shoemaker)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballycastle/Ann_Street/921241/