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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Christianmpoulsen on Tuesday 17 November 20 21:01 GMT (UK)
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I hope everyone is keeping well and occupied with genealogy during lockdown! I was hoping someone might be able to help please
I have Ann Forster marrying Leonard Armstrong in Chollerton 14 Jan 1790.
I believe Ann Forster to be born in Hexham to Thomas Forster & Ann Bell, but not sure how to prove this. Can anyone link the 2 things, and is there a birth / baptism record anywhere for Ann?
Secondly, what other children did Thomas Forster & Ann Bell have, they were married 16 May 1765 in Hexham
Thank you, Christian
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Where they buried Simonburn?
Leonard 10 Feb 1841 age 82 (1759) and Ann 03 Sep 1834 age 68 (1766)
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Where they buried Simonburn?
Leonard 10 Feb 1841 age 82 (1759) and Ann 03 Sep 1834 age 68 (1766)
Thank you, yes, those are the dates I have for Leonard. He died at Ramshaws Mill near Wark, so that would fit. So that then gives me a year of birth for Ann. Is there a headstone / where did you get the info please?
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I found the following Baptism earlier.
Leonard Armstrong 18/03/1759 Simonburn, Northumberland, father William
I did note that Leonard & Ann had seven sons at Ramshaws Mill.
I could not find any info on the Thomas & Ann at Hexham or a suitable Ann any where near to Hexham. There are others in the County.
Colin
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I found the following Baptism earlier.
Leonard Armstrong 18/03/1759 Simonburn, Northumberland, father William
I did note that Leonard & Ann had seven sons at Ramshaws Mill.
I could not find any info on the Thomas & Ann at Hexham or a suitable Ann any where near to Hexham. There are others in the County.
Colin
Thanks Colin - I only have 6 sons, who am I missing please. In age order I have Thomas, William, Leonard, John, Henry & Forster
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Burial possibility at Simonburn?
30 Jan 1892
Wm. Son of Leonard Armstrong of Chipchase Mill
BT
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DCPQ-CK7?i=14
From the Chollerton BTs, the last couple of baptisms to Leonard and Ann do say Leonard Armstrong, Miller, native of Simonburn, by his wife Ann Forster, native of Hexham.
BT of Henry's baptism in 1798
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67ZS-GLJ?i=36
Earlier baptisms say they were of Chipchase Mill.
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Then a second William?
Baptized at Chollerton, 20 January 1793
Parents Leonard and Ann Armstrong
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5J7-SXG
Don't think there is a BT for that one.
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Burial possibility at Simonburn?
30 Jan 1892
Wm. Son of Leonard Armstrong of Chipchase Mill
BT
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DCPQ-CK7?i=14
From the Chollerton BTs, the last couple of baptisms to Leonard and Ann do say Leonard Armstrong, Miller, native of Simonburn, by his wife Ann Forster, native of Hexham.
BT of Henry's baptism in 1798
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-67ZS-GLJ?i=36
Earlier baptisms say they were of Chipchase Mill.
Thank you, yes, the family were at Chipchase Mill after Ramshaws Mill, and Longlee Mill before Ramshaws.
The death of William son of Leonard in 1792 must be my missing 7th son I think, Colin will hopefully confirm. I have a William born in 1793, this must be his older brother who died a year earlier and they named the next son William too.
Thank you for the info on the baptisms re Ann Forster, native of Hexham. This helps to confirm my theory. So I have a location and a year of 1766, but not baptism record putting her to Thomas Forster and Ann Bell....
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This is interesting, from an old Rootschat thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=698319.54
Thomas Forster 1729-1804 a Catholic yeoman farmer of Watch Currock Farm, Hexham married at St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1765, Ann Bell 1741-1813.
Ann Forster, widow, of Watch Currock, Hexham died in 1813 and left a Will at York in which she mentions daughters, Ann Armstrong, Elizabeth Forster (married woman, wife of George Forster), Mary Hutchinson, MARGERY BATY, Jane Kirsopp, Dorothy Hall, Margaret Forster and FRANCES BARRON.
Despite all 8 daughters mentioned only baptismal records for 4 have survived. They are:
i) Ann Forster , baptised 1766 at Cockshaw R.C Chapel, Hexham.
ii) Jane Forster, baptised 1775 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
iii) Margaret Forster , baptised 1780 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
iv) FRANCES FORSTER, baptised 1786 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
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Ann is indexed in Northumberland Baptisms on findmypast (sorry, don't have access)
Ann Foster, born 1766, bap 1766, Hexham, Cockshaw Roman Catholic
Parents Thomas + Anne
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This is interesting, from an old Rootschat thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=698319.54
Thomas Forster 1729-1804 a Catholic yeoman farmer of Watch Currock Farm, Hexham married at St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1765, Ann Bell 1741-1813.
Ann Forster, widow, of Watch Currock, Hexham died in 1813 and left a Will at York in which she mentions daughters, Ann Armstrong, Elizabeth Forster (married woman, wife of George Forster), Mary Hutchinson, MARGERY BATY, Jane Kirsopp, Dorothy Hall, Margaret Forster and FRANCES BARRON.
Despite all 8 daughters mentioned only baptismal records for 4 have survived. They are:
i) Ann Forster , baptised 1766 at Cockshaw R.C Chapel, Hexham.
ii) Jane Forster, baptised 1775 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
iii) Margaret Forster , baptised 1780 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
iv) FRANCES FORSTER, baptised 1786 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
Wow! Absolutely conclusive then, this is fantastic. Thank you so much. How did you come across this?
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Hi
I was doing a search on google!
Trying
"thomas forster" "hexham" "ann bell"
It came up then!
There is also a mention of the will in an article, Forsters of Upper Eshells, in an old Northumberland and Durham Family History Society journal.
http://www.ndfhs.org/pdfs/Vol-9-No-1.pdf
John
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Then a second William?
Baptized at Chollerton, 20 January 1793
Parents Leonard and Ann Armstrong
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5J7-SXG
Don't think there is a BT for that one.
Thanks, yes, he’s my ggg grandfather!
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Hi
I was doing a search on google!
Trying
"thomas forster" "hexham" "ann bell"
It came up then!
There is also a mention of the will in an article, Forsters of Upper Eshells, in an old Northumberland and Durham Family History Society journal.
http://www.ndfhs.org/pdfs/Vol-9-No-1.pdf
John
Well, thank you John, it’s really appreciated. It’s has helped me enormously
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Hi
Glad we have got the answer. Perseverence!
There are partial transcriptions of those Chollerton baptisms on FreeReg
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
Forster in 1800 does seem to be the last.
John
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Well done John.
The baptisms are on freereg, only 6 are listed, including William 1693. Forster is noted as the 7th son.
The burial I would think confirms number 7.
Colin
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To answer your question the burials of Leonard/Ann I found on FreeREG.
Its great you now have confirmation of Anns Bapt :)
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To answer your question the burials of Leonard/Ann I found on FreeREG.
Its great you now have confirmation of Anns Bapt :)
Thanks Trish!
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Ann is indexed in Northumberland Baptisms on findmypast (sorry, don't have access)
Ann Foster, born 1766, bap 1766, Hexham, Cockshaw Roman Catholic
Parents Thomas + Anne
Does anyone have access to show me a screenshot please?
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And is there a place I can view Ann Forster nee Bells will?
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And is there a place I can view Ann Forster nee Bells will?
Bear in mind that at the time of her death Hexham was a 'peculiar' of the Diocese of York.
I'm unsure if any York wills are available online. They are likely to be held by the Borthwick institute. https://borthcat.york.ac.uk/index.php/
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Hello everybody
For anybody researching this family a good start is:
i) The History of Northumberland Vol IV 1897 – contains a printed pedigree of the Forster Family of Upper Eshells, based upon Catholic baptismal Records from the old Dominican Catholic Chapel at Hexham and Stonecroft Catholic Chapel further along at Newbrough.
ii) Frank J Vaughan wrote a four page article on the Forster’s of Upper Eshells which was printed in the Autumn 1983 Northern Catholic History Journal. Frank really has to take credit as the first person to conduct any in depth research into our Forster’s, I corresponded with Frank a few times by letter way back in 1999, later on I used his research as the springboard for my own research.
Thomas Forster 1729-1804 a Catholic yeoman farmer of Watch Currock Farm, Hexham married at St Andrew's CoE, Hexham 1765, Ann Bell 1740-1813.
Thomas Forster 1729-1804 is a descendent of the Catholic Forster family listed in The County History of Northumberland (1897) who's ancestry can be traced back to Robert Forster, yeoman farmer of Upper Eshells Farm, Hexham (1670). Ann Bell 1740-1813 daughter of William Bell is a descendent of the extended Bell Family of Hexhamshire, her brother Anthony Bell died at Watch Currock in 1801.
Ann Forster, widow, of Watch Currock, Hexham died in 1813 and left a Will at York in which she mentions daughters, Ann Armstrong, Elizabeth Forster (married woman, wife of George Forster), Mary Hutchinson, Margery Baty, Jane Kirsopp, Dorothy Hall, Margaret Forster and Frances Barron.
The daughters in Ann Forster's Will are all mentioned in order of age:
i) Ann 1766-1834 married 1790 Leonard Armstrong 1759-1841 occupation Miller, of Chipchase Mill, Chollerton
ii) Elizabeth 1767-1851 married 1791 George Forster 1765-1851 occupation Tailor
iii) Mary 1768-1846 married 1799 John Hutchinson 1762-1852 occupation Farmer – later took over Watch Currock Farm
iv) Margery 1771-1835 married 1790 John Batey 1766-1839 occupation Slater
v) Jane born 1775 married 1795 John Kirsop occupation Farmer
vi) Dorothy 1777-1850 married 1799 John Hall 1775-1835 occupation Miller
vii) Margaret 1779-1846 single woman?
viii) Frances 1786-1863 married 1807 David Barron 1785-1846 occupation Farmer, of Spitall Farm, Haltwhistle, Kirkley Thorn Farm, Ponteland, Bush Farm, Newbrough, later Newcastle upon Tyne.
Despite all 8 daughters mentioned only baptismal records for 4 have survived. They are:
i) Ann Forster , baptised 1766 at Cockshaw R.C Chapel, Hexham.
ii) Jane Forster, baptised 1775 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
iii) Margaret Forster , baptised 1780 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
iv) FRANCES FORSTER, baptised 1786 at The Dominican R.C Chapel, Hexham.
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Thomas Forster 1729-1804 was the second son of Robert Forster, a Catholic Farmer of Upper Eshells Farm, Hexhamshire by his second wife Elizabeth Winter, married 1726, a descendent of the Winter Family of Hexhamshire. Robert died 1736 was around 60 years of age when Thomas was born. His Will was Proved at York. The children of this second marriage were:
i) Robert 1727-1792 occupation Blacksmith, of Corbridge, married Sarah Forster 1726-1809
ii) THOMAS 1729-1804 occupation Farmer, of Watch Currock Farm Hexham, married Ann Bell 1740-1813
iii) Joseph 1734-1815 occupation Farmer, of Yarridge Farm, Hexham, married 1763 Elizabeth Thompson.
iv) William born 1735 occupation Farmer, married 1767 Frances Shaftoe.
Robert Forster died 1736 was originally married to Margaret Baxter died 1725, they had the following known children:
i) John 1705-1749 occupation Farmer, inherited Upper Eshells Farm upon his father’s death in 1736, married Sarah Thompson
ii) Mary, married 1743 George Carr
iii) Margaret
iv) Jane born 1717 married 1752 William Taylor
v) Frances 1719-1722
vi) Dorothy 1722-1793 married John Simmons occupation Farmer of Kentstone Farm, Kyloe
Robert Forster died 1736, inherited Upper Eshells Farm from his own father, Robert Forster who died in 1685. His Will was Proved at York. Robert was married to Jane died 1722, who later re-married to Thomas Lawes. Robert & Jane had the following known children:
i) ROBERT died 1736 married i) Margaret Baxter ii) Elizabeth Winter
ii) Mark
iii) Matthew died 1713 occupation Farmer, of Threepwood Farm, Warden
iv) Jane married George Carr
v) Ann died 1732 married William Simpson
Forster is a widespread Northumberland surname, as we go further back it becomes harder and harder to confidently identify each individual, there are many theories regarding this family but little proof other than what we do have.
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Thomas Forster 1729-1804 was the second son of Robert Forster, a Catholic Farmer of Upper Eshells Farm, Hexhamshire by his second wife Elizabeth Winter, married 1726, a descendent of the Winter Family of Hexhamshire. Robert died 1736 was around 60 years of age when Thomas was born. His Will was Proved at York. The children of this second marriage were:
i) Robert 1727-1792 occupation Blacksmith, of Corbridge, married Sarah Forster 1726-1809
ii) THOMAS 1729-1804 occupation Farmer, of Watch Currock Farm Hexham, married Ann Bell 1740-1813
iii) Joseph 1734-1815 occupation Farmer, of Yarridge Farm, Hexham, married 1763 Elizabeth Thompson.
iv) William born 1735 occupation Farmer, married 1767 Frances Shaftoe.
Robert Forster died 1736 was originally married to Margaret Baxter died 1725, they had the following known children:
i) John 1705-1749 occupation Farmer, inherited Upper Eshells Farm upon his father’s death in 1736, married Sarah Thompson
ii) Mary, married 1743 George Carr
iii) Margaret
iv) Jane born 1717 married 1752 William Taylor
v) Frances 1719-1722
vi) Dorothy 1722-1793 married John Simmons occupation Farmer of Kentstone Farm, Kyloe
Robert Forster died 1736, inherited Upper Eshells Farm from his own father, Robert Forster who died in 1685. His Will was Proved at York. Robert was married to Jane died 1722, who later re-married to Thomas Lawes. Robert & Jane had the following known children:
i) ROBERT died 1736 married i) Margaret Baxter ii) Elizabeth Winter
ii) Mark
iii) Matthew died 1713 occupation Farmer, of Threepwood Farm, Warden
iv) Jane married George Carr
v) Ann died 1732 married William Simpson
Forster is a widespread Northumberland surname, as we go further back it becomes harder and harder to confidently identify each individual, there are many theories regarding this family but little proof other than what we do have.
Patrick, thank you so much for taking the time to share all this information you have put together over the years, I really appreciate it, especially as they are direct ancestors. I had already found and read the first document you mentioned, after reading the other thread yesterday, so I had got a basic tree from that, but great to have all this detail. I will also seek out the other document.
Regarding Anthony Bell, was he baptised 1738 Hexham, and married Mary Elizabeth Bell on 13 May 1766 in Hexham? I believe they then had a son, William Bell in 1767 who then in turn had a son Robert Bell (keeping the family name..)?
I will now try to seek some photos of the various farms. Did you manage to see a copy of Ann Forster nee Bells will which was held at York?
Kind regards
Christian
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Hello Christian
No problem, happy to help.
Anthony Bell married 1766 Elizabeth Bell died 1787, 4 children.
I've seen the Wills for all concerned. There is a Will and Death Duty Record for Ann Forster 1813, you can order them online, I believe from Findmypast. Leonard Armstrong & John Hutchinson joint Executors
Best Wishes
Patrick
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Hello Christian
No problem, happy to help.
Anthony Bell married 1766 Elizabeth Bell died 1787, 4 children.
I've seen the Wills for all concerned. There is a Will and Death Duty Record for Ann Forster 1813, you can order them online, I believe from Findmypast. Leonard Armstrong & John Hutchinson joint Executors
Best Wishes
Patrick
Thanks Patrick!