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Title: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: paul lamont steel on Monday 09 November 20 00:06 GMT (UK)
Hi there am wondering if anyone can point me in the right direction .... doing our family tree and I’m stuck with a Hugh Lamont born in Ireland about 1820ish ..... he married a Mary Mitchell and had 3 kids , Catherine Ann Lamont who went onto  marry a James or John Dunbar , a Jane Lamont and also a Francis Lamont who was born about 1845 ....... for some reason I can’t find anything out about them before 1850/60 ish when they all turn up in a census in Glasgow ..... it’s Hugh Lamont or Mary Mitchell I’m after to try n take things further ...... many thanks n all that Paul
( something tells me they were from the north , Ballintoy , ballymena etc area as Catherine married there and think she was born co Derry )
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: oldohiohome on Monday 09 November 20 00:32 GMT (UK)
( something tells me they were from the north , Ballintoy , ballymena etc area as Catherine married there and think she was born co Derry )
your guess of the area looks right, at least. this was as of Griffith's Valuation, taken in Antrim in 1861-62:

https://www.johngrenham.com/findasurname.php?surname=lamont

edited: Does tracing Catherine's husband help any?
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: oldohiohome on Monday 09 November 20 00:40 GMT (UK)
what about the witnesses at Catherine's wedding? are they any help? or Lamonts in the parish?
 Just thinking out loud.
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: oldohiohome on Monday 09 November 20 00:48 GMT (UK)
what about the witnesses at Catherine's wedding? are they any help?
Link to the civil record of Catherine's marriage to James Dunbar, 21 Mar 1859
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1859/09562/5466871.pdf

The witnesses were James and John McMullan, and James witnessed a marriage in the same church the next day. So no help there. James might have been the guy next door, or the sexton.

next angle: who was Catherine living with in Lisbelnagroagh when she married?
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: oldohiohome on Monday 09 November 20 01:00 GMT (UK)
next angle: who was Catherine living with in Lisbelnagroagh when she married?

Jane Dunbar maybe?
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/z/zoomifyDynamicViewer.php?file=002025&path=./pix/002/&showpage=1&mysession=2731511565522&width=&height=&debug=

And maybe I shouldn't have written off the McMullens. There are a John and James McMullen in the townland as well. But it is probably a common name. How close is the townland to the church???
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 09 November 20 08:53 GMT (UK)
The link in reply #3 didn't work for me.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1859/09562/5466871.pdf
Important clue in the 1859 marriage is father Hugh Lamont is a cooper.

Lemon is a common spelling variatin in East Derry/North Antrim. What religion were the family? Some Lamonts were Presbyterian but others, around Ballymoney area especially, were Reformed Presbyterian.

https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/cary/ballintoy/lisbellanagroagh-beg/
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/cary/ballintoy/lisbellanagroagh-more/
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: oldohiohome on Monday 09 November 20 09:39 GMT (UK)
The link in reply #3 didn't work for me.

Thanks, I fixed it, I think. It wasn't all one line so the last part of the address wasn't clickable.
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: oldohiohome on Monday 09 November 20 09:43 GMT (UK)
Important clue in the 1859 marriage is father Hugh Lamont is a cooper.

the Hugh Lamont in Glasgow, 1861, is a brick maker.

Civil Parish:    Glasgow Calton
County:    Lanarkshire
Address:    10 Fordnenke St

Hugh, 38, Mary 38, Francis 16, Jane 13, all born in Ireland, and a Christina Lyon, 18, born in Glasgow. I can't see the images at ancestry.

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Question for the OP: Have you found them in Glasgow earlier than this?

Devil's advocate: What makes you say the Catherine who married James Dunbar is your Catherine? Did they later move to Glasgow near Hugh and Mary? Or are there later records that link her to them? -- I haven't looked yet.

On the other hand, the Catherine Lamont who married James D. was 16, had no occupation, and evidently was not living with her parents, since there were no Lamonts in that townland. Maybe she stayed behind, her parents knowing she would marry soon. If she was someone else's daughter, why wouldn't she be with her family?

Thinking out loud again.


Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 09 November 20 10:10 GMT (UK)
On the other hand, the Catherine Lamont who married James D. was 16, had no occupation, and evidently was not living with her parents, since there were no Lamonts in that townland. Maybe she stayed behind, her parents knowing she would marry soon. If she was someone else's daughter, why wouldn't she be with her family?

Following on from oldohiohome's thoughts-
James Dunbar died in Lisbelnacroagh in 1882- informant widow Catherine-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1882/06395/4836363.pdf
Can't see a likely death or re-marriage.
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: paul lamont steel on Monday 09 November 20 16:24 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the replies folks ,
The way I got it , I got them all in Glasgow in the 1861 census , can’t however find anything before that on any of them ...... found Catherine Anne’s marriage or death certificate as she’s well documented and says Hugh Lamont and Mary Mitchell on there so know I’m on the right track .... just can’t find anything linking them all together in Ireland  .....  I know it’s them as can trace back ( Hugh is / was my great great great grandad ) I come from his son  Francis line ...... I’ve tried looking through his wife Mary Mitchell , and all the kids , Francis , Jane and Catherine Ann .......
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 09 November 20 16:28 GMT (UK)
You'll need to follow all the family thoroughly through Scottish records to see if there are any further clues but it might be that they moved backe and forth between Ireland and Scotland as was not uncommon.

Catherine seems to be in Ireland 1886 when husband James Dunbar died. Have you traced her, found children, etc.?
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: paul lamont steel on Monday 09 November 20 16:38 GMT (UK)
Yeah I’ve had a quick look at Catherine , that’s how I know she’s well documented , she got married Croaghmore Presbyterian church, lived in Portstewart in 1901, states she was born co Derry on there so Hugh ( who I’m trying to find )
must have lived in that area at some point , or at least his wife Mary Mitchell ...... I’ll keep plodding on  n hopefully something will come up as really wanna get past Hugh  n take it a bit further
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 09 November 20 16:49 GMT (UK)
Catherine Dunbar was living outside Portstewart in 1901-
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Portstewart/Bellemont_North/1545960/
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/ne-liberties-of-coleraine/ballyaghran/north-bellemont/

Son James Mitchell Dunbar born 1883- father James deceased-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/cert_amends/cert_1883/2007268b.pdf

Added- interesting birth registration-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02022/1775799.pdf
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: paul lamont steel on Monday 09 November 20 16:58 GMT (UK)
I can’t see that link interesting birth registration .....
And do you think the Mitchell in her sons name was after her mums side then who was Mary Mitchell ...... it’s her dad Hugh Lamont I’m after though 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 09 November 20 18:26 GMT (UK)
I can’t see that link interesting birth registration ....
Checked again and link still works for me  :-\

And do you think the Mitchell in her sons name was after her mums side then who was Mary Mitchell ...... it’s her dad Hugh Lamont I’m after though
I’m stuck with a Hugh Lamont born in Ireland about 1820ish ..... he married a Mary Mitchell and had 3 kids , Catherine Ann Lamont who went onto  marry a James or John Dunbar , a Jane Lamont and also a Francis Lamont who was born about 1845 ....... for some reason I can’t find anything out about them before 1850/60 ish when they all turn up in a census in Glasgow ..... it’s Hugh Lamont or Mary Mitchell I’m after to try n take things further ......
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: paul lamont steel on Monday 09 November 20 18:45 GMT (UK)
Sorry I don’t get what point you are trying to make ..... I can’t get the link as am on me phone n wasn’t sure how to do it or what name to put in ..... ( I’ll try ltr on the comp ) As can’t see it on my phone anyway  and was only making an observation if Catherine Ann gave her son  the middle name Mitchell It was prob after her mums side of the family ( Mitchell ) which is cool as it confirms again her mum was Mary Mitchell .....
I am trying lol , I’ve took my grandads side right back to 1500 but I just can’t get past Hugh on me grans side ...... thanks for your time anyway am away  take the dog a walk ...... ✌️
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 09 November 20 19:38 GMT (UK)
The birth for James Mitchell Dunbar shows his father as deceased (James Dunbar's death registration posted earlier).

The 1899 birth is entirely different and is for Catherine (Lamont) Dunbar's grand-daughter in Coleraine Workhouse with father's residence listed as 'dwelling place not known.' This is the child living with grandmother in 1901 census. The marriage of Catherine Etta Dunbar & William McGrotty is here-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10432/5798662.pdf
At least 2 other children were later born in Belfast
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: paul lamont steel on Monday 09 November 20 20:16 GMT (UK)
That’s cool and interesting ....... how can I go about finding the rest of the family then ??? It’s Catherine’s mum n dad I need to find Hugh and Mary , can’t find anything in ancestry or my heritage , is there a good Irish one I could join as seems to be the only way I’m gonna get any further ...... can find a few Hugh lamonts but nothing to link them all together to say for definite that’s them
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: aghadowey on Monday 09 November 20 23:00 GMT (UK)
Civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages started in 1864 (non-Catholic marriages from 1845)- links to some registrations have been posted and you can search yourself for more- beut for earlier dates you need to search for church records (these may not survive but not all existing records are available online). Before searching in Ireland you should exhaust Scottish records such as Scotland's People database (pay-per-view), census records, etc.
Title: Re: Lamont, Ireland 1820
Post by: paul lamont steel on Monday 09 November 20 23:19 GMT (UK)
I’ve just seen that about all the Irish records ........  I think I’ve done all the Scottish records as been at it for weeks and this is my second time going back to it ...... I think I’ll sit one day and try n piece it all together ( where the kids were born / married etc ) and see if I can at least work out where exact in Ireland and then just take it from there I suppose ....
Thanks for your time anyway ✌️