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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: Bentley1303 on Saturday 07 November 20 19:22 GMT (UK)
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Hi all,
Apologies if this isn’t in the right place but I’m looking to see if anyone could help me find out some information about the Gaskin family.
My great grandma was Harriet Gaskin who I believe was of traveler decent, I’ve managed to find a 1911 census that that shows Harriet and siblings Walter, Lottie, Sarah, Henry, Arthur, John and Druscilla living in Suffolk. I’d really like to find out more about the Gaskin family, and Harriet’s mother Ruth Gaskin in particular - I’m unable to find out much about her, so was hoping if anyone had any information?
Thanks in advance!
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Hi, and welcome to rootschat if this is your first post. What an interesting 1911 census. I have worked out the following and believe it to be correct but other's I am sure will check out and correct me if wrong.
The census records that she has 8 children born in various parts of the UK. I have checked out all those named. All have birth registrations with the name Gaskin with no recorded mother's maiden name which strongly suggests she was not married. One exception to this is Lottie. She is recorded as being born in Warwickshire. Her birth is recorded as Lottie MacKenzie jq 1894 Warwick with mother's maiden name as Gaskin. If Ruth's age of 33 is correct then she was only 16 when Lottie was born. Ruth is living with Walter MacKenzie in 1911.
Will come back.
John
I believe I know who her parents are but want to check out further
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With regard to Walter MacKenzie born Norwich c1872/3, he can be found in 1901 in a common boarding house in Beccles with the occupation "Tramp" ref RG13 1799 68 25.
John
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That is really helpful, thanks so much!
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Records show only 2 Ruth Gaskin's born between 1870-1880. Your Ruth aged 33 in 1911 indicates a birth year c1878. This would tie in with the birth registration of March Quarter 1878 Depwade 4b 232.
This Ruth has a mother's maiden name of Drane. Her parents Samuel Gaskin & Sarah Drane who married in 1868 Samford.
1881 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27C-L83B
1891 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:44QV-RZM
1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSVX-J66
Ruth was born 19th January 1878 and baptised 6th April 1895 in Bramley Surrey, her parents Samuel & Sarah.
John
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It could be worth checking whether any hawkers licence registers have survived for the counties that the children are said to be born in as one assumes the mother was hawking there at the time of their births.
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Thank you!
I’ve been having a look this morning and really interesting to see the Norfolk history of the family, they appear to stay in the same place prior to Ruth’s birth.
Looking forward to learning more.
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Until Bentley 1303 acknowledges our posts this is my last post as I see he has been online several times since replies were posted.
Ruth Gaskin died in Ipswich in 1973, a birth date given as 6th August 1875. This matches a dob given in the 1939 war register where she is recorded as a "Hawker". She has another child with her.
After 1911 census she had 3 further childen,
Mark 1913 born Ipswich mmn Gaskin
Luke 1915 " " " "
Rose 1917 " " " "
John
Edit--thank you for getting back to us Bentley. What other information would you like or are you wanting to go solo on your research now.
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Until Bentley 1303 acknowledges our posts this is my last post as I see he has been online several times since replies were posted.
Ruth Gaskin died in Ipswich in 1973, a birth date given as 6th August 1875. This matches a dob given in the 1939 war register where she is recorded as a "Hawker". She has another child with her.
After 1911 census she had 3 further childen,
Mark 1913 born Ipswich mmn Gaskin
Luke 1915 " " " "
Rose 1917 " " " "
John
Edit--thank you for getting back to us Bentley. What other information would you like or are you wanting to go solo on your research now.
Sorry John. I think I may have been responding a way that wasn’t showing for you?
Thank you for your research. I am just trying to find out more about the hawker side of the family at the moment, looking to see if Ruth’s parents were hawkers too. Your information has been really helpful - thank you!
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Hi Bentley, Ruth's father Samuel appears to have been an agricultural labourer. The word Hawker back then tended to be persons selling goods/wares door to door. In 1939 Ruth was selling umbrellas and hardware. I do not think they were "Travelling People" as we know them.
John
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I agree.
Samuels Father Robert was a Ag Lab also.
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Bentley, further research (had time on my hands today) reveals Ruth had 12 children. Apart from Lottie,her first, do you want details of their births marriages and death details.
John
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Bentley, further research (had time on my hands today) reveals Ruth had 12 children. Apart from Lottie,her first, do you want details of their births marriages and death details.
John
Yes please John, thank you so much!
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1. Lottie born 1894 as Lottie Mackenzie on 1901/1911 census -- nothing else.
2. Walter born 1896 no mmn, on 1901/1911 census, died aged 24 in 1920 Ipswich
3. Harriet born 1898 no mmn, married Joseph Page in 1919, on 1901/1911 & 1939 register, had 8 children and died 1987 Ipswich
4. Sarah born 1900 no mmn,on 1901/1911 census & 1939 register. 1st marriage to James Porter in 1919, 9/10 children born. 2nd marriage to Christopher S Bloomfield in 1953, died 1967 Ipswich
5. Henry born 1903 no mmn, on 1911 census, died aged 18 in 1921 Ipswich
6. Arthur born 8/11.12.1905, no mmn on 1911 census & 1939 register. Married Florence J Emsden in 1928, 4 children born, died 1983 Ipswich
7. John born 1908, on 1911 census, died aged 20 in 1928 Ipswich
8.Druscilla born 1911 no mmn, on 1911 census died 1926 aged 15 Ipswich
9. Mark born 1913 mmn Gaskin, died aged 12 in 1925 Ipswich
10. Luke born 1915 mmn Gaskin, died as MALE Gaskin 1915 aged 0 Ipswich
11. Rose born 1917 mmn Gaskin, on 1939 register with Ruth, died aged 22 in 1940 Ipswich
12. Ruth born 1920 mmn Gaskin, died aged 0 1920 Ipswich.
The children of Harriet, Sarah & Arthur are easily found on freebmd using surnames of both parents.
Lottie I am finding very hard to trace unless she went by a nickname.
John
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Evening,
I have done some research on the Gaskin family and have a Ruth Gaskin born about 1873, she is a sibling of Job Gaskin born about 1871 among other children.
Their parents are William Gaskin and Emma Maria Webb who married in Halsted Essex on 25 Dec 1858, if this is the same Ruth as the one you are looking for I can't say for sure but worth looking into.
All these travelling families are hard to follow up and complete any of them.
Kind regards
Amanda
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1. Lottie born 1894 as Lottie Mackenzie on 1901/1911 census -- nothing else.
2. Walter born 1896 no mmn, on 1901/1911 census, died aged 24 in 1920 Ipswich
3. Harriet born 1898 no mmn, married Joseph Page in 1919, on 1901/1911 & 1939 register, had 8 children and died 1987 Ipswich
4. Sarah born 1900 no mmn,on 1901/1911 census & 1939 register. 1st marriage to James Porter in 1919, 9/10 children born. 2nd marriage to Christopher S Bloomfield in 1953, died 1967 Ipswich
5. Henry born 1903 no mmn, on 1911 census, died aged 18 in 1921 Ipswich
6. Arthur born 8/11.12.1905, no mmn on 1911 census & 1939 register. Married Florence J Emsden in 1928, 4 children born, died 1983 Ipswich
7. John born 1908, on 1911 census, died aged 20 in 1928 Ipswich
8.Druscilla born 1911 no mmn, on 1911 census died 1926 aged 15 Ipswich
9. Mark born 1913 mmn Gaskin, died aged 12 in 1925 Ipswich
10. Luke born 1915 mmn Gaskin, died as MALE Gaskin 1915 aged 0 Ipswich
11. Rose born 1917 mmn Gaskin, on 1939 register with Ruth, died aged 22 in 1940 Ipswich
12. Ruth born 1920 mmn Gaskin, died aged 0 1920 Ipswich.
The children of Harriet, Sarah & Arthur are easily found on freebmd using surnames of both parents.
Lottie I am finding very hard to trace unless she went by a nickname.
John
Thanks so much John, Harriet is my grandfathers mother and Joseph is my great grandfather. So great to have extra information about them.
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Evening,
I have done some research on the Gaskin family and have a Ruth Gaskin born about 1873, she is a sibling of Job Gaskin born about 1871 among other children.
Their parents are William Gaskin and Emma Maria Webb who married in Halsted Essex on 25 Dec 1858, if this is the same Ruth as the one you are looking for I can't say for sure but worth looking into.
All these travelling families are hard to follow up and complete any of them.
Kind regards
Amanda
Thanks Amanda for your post. Last night I had some doubts about Ruth's parents and this morning I have got up early(for me) to re-assess her. So thank your post, it kind of confirms my suspicions re her birth. All the information re her children is ok, it's her birth and parentage that need reviewing.
John
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Evening,
I have done some research on the Gaskin family and have a Ruth Gaskin born about 1873, she is a sibling of Job Gaskin born about 1871 among other children.
Their parents are William Gaskin and Emma Maria Webb who married in Halsted Essex on 25 Dec 1858, if this is the same Ruth as the one you are looking for I can't say for sure but worth looking into.
All these travelling families are hard to follow up and complete any of them.
Kind regards
Amanda
Thank you for this Amanda
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Evening,
I have done some research on the Gaskin family and have a Ruth Gaskin born about 1873, she is a sibling of Job Gaskin born about 1871 among other children.
Their parents are William Gaskin and Emma Maria Webb who married in Halsted Essex on 25 Dec 1858, if this is the same Ruth as the one you are looking for I can't say for sure but worth looking into.
All these travelling families are hard to follow up and complete any of them.
Kind regards
Amanda
Thanks Amanda for your post. Last night I had some doubts about Ruth's parents and this morning I have got up early(for me) to re-assess her. So thank your post, it kind of confirms my suspicions re her birth. All the information re her children is ok, it's her birth and parentage that need reviewing.
John
Thanks John, I appreciate the work you have put into this. I did have wonders about Ruth’s parents, as I was always told they were part of the Gaskin travellers that resided in Suffolk, It is incredible to see the different places they had travelled to.
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Bentley and Amanda. Please consider the following by what is known about Ruth. Her death and 1939 register both have a birth date 6th Aug 1875. On both the 1901/11 census she records her birthplace as Sudbury.
Amanda, you say Ruth has a brother called Job b c1871. This Job was born jq 1871 mmn HEDGES in Sudbury. His parents are William & Harriet HEADGES who married in 1858 Halstead.
I believe Job's father William had at least 2 brother's, Henry and Walter.
Henry Gaskin married Sarah Wellings JQ 1866 West Ham and had the following recorded children
1. Walter mq 1871 Sudbury mmn Wellins
2. Louisa dq 1872 West Ham mmn Wellings
3. John mq 1874 West Ham mmn Wellings
4. RUTH sq 1875 West Ham mmn Wellings
5.Alice sq 1877 North Witchford mmn Wellens
6. Mark mq 1880 Guiltcross mmn Wellings.
Ruth can be found in 1881 census ref rg11 1729 7a 16.
Hawker's caravan
Henry 42, Louisa (Sarah?) 36, Louis 10, John 14, Henry 12, George 8, Ruth 6,Mark 4 (4months)
All born Leytonstone
1891 census RG12 1401 77 20
George Gaskin 18 Hawker
Ruth Gaskin 17
Mark Gaskin 11
On the image of this census page is also William Gaskin with son Job(20=c1871)
The only conclusive way of being sure if this is Ruth's parent's ie Henry/Sarah is to purchase birth certificate to ascertain a date of birth. Must confess travelling people are hard to track.
John
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Bentley and Amanda. Please consider the following by what is known about Ruth. Her death and 1939 register both have a birth date 6th Aug 1875. On both the 1901/11 census she records her birthplace as Sudbury.
Amanda, you say Ruth has a brother called Job b c1871. This Job was born jq 1871 mmn HEDGES in Sudbury. His parents are William & Harriet HEADGES who married in 1858 Halstead.
I believe Job's father William had at least 2 brother's, Henry and Walter.
Henry Gaskin married Sarah Wellings JQ 1866 West Ham and had the following recorded children
1. Walter mq 1871 Sudbury mmn Wellins
2. Louisa dq 1872 West Ham mmn Wellings
3. John mq 1874 West Ham mmn Wellings
4. RUTH sq 1875 West Ham mmn Wellings
5.Alice sq 1877 North Witchford mmn Wellens
6. Mark mq 1880 Guiltcross mmn Wellings.
Ruth can be found in 1881 census ref rg11 1729 7a 16.
Hawker's caravan
Henry 42, Louisa (Sarah?) 36, Louis 10, John 14, Henry 12, George 8, Ruth 6,Mark 4 (4months)
All born Leytonstone
1891 census RG12 1401 77 20
George Gaskin 18 Hawker
Ruth Gaskin 17
Mark Gaskin 11
On the image of this census page is also William Gaskin with son Job(20=c1871)
The only conclusive way of being sure if this is Ruth's parent's ie Henry/Sarah is to purchase birth certificate to ascertain a date of birth. Must confess travelling people are hard to track.
John
Thank you for this John. I have just had my mum confirm Ruth’s sisters name was Louisa, so it looks like we are on the right track.
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Bentley, so pleased your mum knew Ruth had a sister called Louisa. That being the case she married George Arthur Baldwin
Marriages Sep 1894
Baldwin George Arthur Sudbury 4a 1107
Brown William Sudbury 4a 1107
Gaskin Louisa Sudbury 4a 1107
Ince Fanny Sudbury 4a 1107
Here they are in 1911, Louisa's birthplace is spot re 1881 census.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7GN-MNT
Henry & Sarah had another son Job
GASKIN, JOB mmn WELLINGS
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in CAMBRIDGE Volume 03B Page 490
Henry a widow plus sons john & Job here on 1901 census. This gives us an idea of roughly Henry's age and birthplace
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSVQ-18J
John
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Think we can take this back further now.
1871 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFXW-28B
This shows Henry has a sister Alice aged 22.
We then have this marriage
First name(s) Henry
Last name Gooskin
Residence St Leonards
Marriage year 1841
Marriage date 25 Dec 1841
Place Colchester, St Leonard
County Essex
Spouse's first name(s) Ruth
Spouse's last name Lamb
Spouse's marital status S
Spouse's residence St Leonards
Father's first name(s) William
Father's last name Gooskin
Father's occupation Basket Maker
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's father's last name Lamb
The following children are all born Gaskin with mmn Lamb.
James mq 1841 Witham
Sarah mq 1842 Billericay
Mary Anne dq 1842 Halstead
James jq 1844 Maldon
Thomas dq 1845 Halstead
Henry jq 1846 Samford
Alice mq 1850 Bosmere (may have been one of twins as 2 gro records with same ref)
George mq 1852 Witham
John dq 1854 Cosford
Louisa sq 1857 Epping Union
Mark jq 1862 Sudbury
John
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Henry & Ruth in 1871 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFNH-78Z
Laura is probably Louisa.
John
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Henry & Ruth in 1871 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFNH-78Z
Laura is probably Louisa.
John
Thank you so much John! My mum is over the moon with the information you’ve been able to find. She’s been thinking about doing this for years. Can’t wait to show her.
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1891 census
RG12; Piece: 1439; Folio: 82; Page: 5;
Henry Gaskin 46
Sarah Gaskin 52
Henry Gaskin 24
Louisa Gaskin 19
Polly Gaskin 9
Job Gaskin 5
Death of Henry Senior
Deaths Sep 1886
Gaskin Henry aged 68 Sudbury 4a 359
Death of Ruth nee Lamb
Deaths Jun 1909
GASKIN Ruth aged 90 Sudbury 4a 440
Death of Henry son of Henry & Ruth, the father of your Ruth re original post
Deaths Dec 1927
GASKIN Henry aged 81 Sudbury 4a 887
John
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Death of Ruth's mother
Deaths Mar 1894
Gaskin Sarah aged 60 Forehoe 4b 161
Re-marriage of Henry(1846)
Marriages Sep 1901
GASKIN Henry Sudbury 4a 1563
WARD Harriett Ann Sudbury 4a 1563
1911 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7GN-QZH
John
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A few baptisms for Henry & Ruth
William Gaskin
19 Aug 1838 Essex, England Henry & Ruth
John Gaskin
3 Dec 1854 Essex, England Henry & Ruth
Ruth
Walter Gaskin
18 Apr 1852 Essex, England Henry & Ruth
Alice Gaskin
27 Apr 1845 Essex, England Henry & Ruth
George Gascon
17 Dec 1848 Essex, England Henry & Ruth
John
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Evening,
That's a stunning bit of research John, very well done
I didn't have Ruth daughter of Henry but now I can fit her in, thank you
Henry and William are brothers among others, they all tended to name their children the same which is a bit of a nightmare for us especially when the children are not registered.
The Birth Cert would confirm Ruth's birth date but it is the same family although I still don't know what happened to Ruth the daughter of William and Emma!
Kind regards
Amanda
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A few baptisms for Henry & Ruth
William Gaskin
19 Aug 1838 Essex, England Henry & Ruth
John Gaskin
3 Dec 1854 Essex, England Henry & Ruth
Ruth
Walter Gaskin
18 Apr 1852 Essex, England Henry & Ruth
Alice Gaskin
27 Apr 1845 Essex, England Henry & Ruth
George Gascon
17 Dec 1848 Essex, England Henry & Ruth
John
This was amazing, thanks so much John. You’ve really put pieces of the puzzle together for me!
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If your able to view the original image this 1861 census makes interesting reading with other Gaskin names and Headges.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M74T-T6T
John
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Hi, spent an hour or so today and will make this my last post, mainly odds and ends.
Job Gaskin son of Henry & Sarah.
1911 census with brother Mark (Mark has military records on Ancestry)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWRL-2BT
Job Marries Anna (Hannah) Smith 1915 Edmonton
5 children, Job 1916-1933, Emma 1918, Mary E 1920, Elvey 1921 & John 1927.
Job has military records on Ancestry
Appears on 1939 war register
Died 1972 Greenwich : dob 5.11.1885
Job Gaskin bc 1872 son of William & Emma Maria Webb
In 1890 convicted with father William for "Night poaching", sentence 6 months
1894 Job ( aged 22) marries Mary Ann ( Polly) BIBBY in Epping.
6 known children:
Job c1894 no recorded birth reg
John 1897 mmn Bibbey
Beatrice 1899 mmn Bibbey
William 1901 mmn Bibby
Walter 1903a-1904 mmn Bibbey
Elvina 1904 mmn Bibby.
1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9NJ-NSZ
After the 1901 census cannot find the family, but suspect Job may have re-married in 1907 to Eliza Hedges in Edmonton.
William Gaskin c1836/8 son of Henry and Ruth
In 1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9NJ-G5F
Noak Hill is very near Romford Essex
Deaths Dec 1904
GASKIN Emma 65 Romford 4a 259
Cannot find William in 1911
There are various workhouse images on Ancestry listing a William Gaskin born 1837 "Hawker". These end in 1918 and I believe this is his death.
Deaths Dec 1918
Gaskin William 81 Poplar 1c 953
The only evidence apart from census re William & Emma's children is the baptism of first child Louisa bap 13th May 1860 Gt Baddow parens William (licensed hawker) and Emma Maria
George Gaskin son of Henry & Sarah
Name: George Gaskin
Gender: Male
Christening Age: 0
Birth Date: 24 Jun 1869
Christening Date: 22 Aug 1869
Christening Place: Leytonstone, Essex, England
Father: Henry Gaskin
Mother: Sarah Gaskin
1st Marriage to Ellen Couston 21.5.1893. Image on Ancestry. His father Henry's occupation"Horse Dealer" as per Henry on 1901/11 census. Various children born and can be found on 1911 census.
2nd Marriage 14.6.1919 George a widower to Mary Ann Forder a widow.
Appears on 1939 register
Death
Deaths Sep 1958
GASKIN George 89 Woolwich 5d 688
John
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Can’t thank you enough for all the information you have given me, John!.
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Bentley, do you have membership of Ancestry, if not you could always take out a one month subscription and view/download a lot of images.
John
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Bentley, do you have membership of Ancestry, if not you could always take out a one month subscription and view/download a lot of images.
John
Hi John,
I do, that’s what started this mission. Going to spend the weekend putting the pieces together, hoping to find some goodies buried on there!
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Good, a little more.
Walter Gaskin son of Henry & Sarah
Name: Walter Gaskin
Gender: Male
Christening Age: 0
Birth Date: 23 Mar 1871
Christening Date: 13 Aug 1871
Christening Place: Leytonstone, Essex, England
Father: Henry Gaskin
Mother: Sarah Gaskin
Married
Marriages Dec 1893
Garwood Arthur George Bury St. E.
Gaskin Walter Bury St E
Osborne Edith Alice Bury St. E.
Webb Emily Bury St. E.
Gaskin / Webb known children
Mark 1907
Walter 1910
Alfred 1914 on 1939 register with father
Job 1921
John 1924
Appears on 1939 register "Living in a Caravan" and still a Hawker
Death
Walter Gaskin
Death Age: 74
Birth Date: abt 1871
Registration Date: Apr 1945
[May 1945]
[Jun 1945]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Bury St edmunds
Inferred County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 897
John
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Evening,
Am happy to help where I can.
Job 1871 was where I started this, so Polly is Mary Ann, she died in 1906 and yes he married Eliza Hedges but I haven't been able to place Eliza's parents yet among all the Hedges I have done.
Emily Webb is interesting, she could be one of mine, will have to check her out
Kind regards
Amanda
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Thanks John!
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Hi, My great-great grandfather was Robert Lamb, also went by the name of Robert Gaskin. There is also the connection to the surnames Wilson, Gasgoyne/Gasgoine. Connections to Attleborough, Norfolk, Suffolk and the Bohemia Estate in Southend. Other family names are Livermore, Smith, Stone, Draper, Webb, Loveridge, Lovell, Chillystone/Chilleystone/Chillingstone, Giles, Ames, Venner, Bosworth, Patrick, Yourby, Freshwater. Quite probably many more but still researching myself.