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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Breconshire => Topic started by: 'Trish' on Saturday 31 October 20 13:48 GMT (UK)
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For 15 years I have been seeking the parents of John & Maria Austin nee Pugh. John was baptised in 1817 in Blaina, parents Thomas & Mary Austin. But cannot find anything on them
Maria Pugh in 1822 in Monmouthshire.
The couple married in June 1850 at Llanelli Brecknockshire.
Can anyone help me knock down my brick wall.
Regards Trish
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What does their marriage record say about their fathers ?
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I have lost their marriage records, due to moving house, as yet notocated them. I don't really want to purchase them again! Regards Trish
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Have you not entered them on your family tree :-\.
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Yes but no clues as to theses names regards Trish
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Attached John's baptismal record. Regards Trish
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I've found Maria's parents, Rowland & Maria Pugh. Now to confirm Thomas' parents. Regards Trish
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Is that baptism from Llanwenarth? If so, that's about 15 miles from Blaina/Blaenau. How sure are you that you have the correct baptism?
When did they have their first child?
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Where do you have John & Maria in 1851/61
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First child born 1856, Mary Austin. Regards Trish
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I found this birth, not sure which is right. Regards trish
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On the 1871 census, is Maria "receiving money from Russia"? If so, she gives her POB as ?Vertage???
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Yes that's her regards Trish
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Previous post
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=558266.
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They are the couple I have but nothing is coming up about them, so I thought it was incorrect. Regards Trish
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Ok, so the 1871 birth location of Maria is not Vartage by Varteg. That ties into the location of a Maria Pugh in 1841 at Vartig Hill, Trevethan:
Rowld Pugh 40 Miner NBIC
Catherine Pugh 35 NBIC
John Pugh 15 Miner NBIC
David Pugh 14 Miner BIC
Moses Pugh 12 Miner BIC
Thomas Pugh 10 BIC
Rowland Pugh 7 BIC
Maria Pugh 9 BIC
William Pugh 5 BIC
Morgan Pugh 2 BIC
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The only Morgan Pugh bn 1839 +/- 2 years was born Jun qtr 1839 in Pontypool with MMN of Herbert
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Rowland Pugh, Maria's father, was born in 1797 in Llanbrynmawr, Montgomeryshire as per 1851 census
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Possible baptism for Rowland:
Rowland, son of Moses and Sarah Pugh, April 4th 1797 at Llanbrynmair Old Chapel (Congregational, so non-conformist)
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Rowland Pugh married Catherine Herbert in July 1821 at Llanover, Monmouthshire
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first child to John & Maria appears to be 8 month old Sarah on the 1851 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG8F-LRS
birth reg
Sarah Austin sept qtr 1850 Crickhowell vol 26 pg 335 mmn Pugh
Burial 25 April 1854 in Aberystruth parish church Sarah Austin age 4 address Blaina Works
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the baptism to Benjamin & Mary is in Llanrhidian, address Aberlogin. Burial in Llanrhidian 13 Sept 1836 for John Austin 17 of Aberlogin.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/GLAImgMap
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/f9233a87-c0c1-4452-840a-4cb795d72be4
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Thank you so much, however John died/disappeared in 1874 in Ukraine. Supposedly of yellow fever. Regards Trish
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Just trying to show that the John baptised in Llanrhidian isn't yours as he died in 1836.
What record do you have that shows that John was born in Monmouthshire? The 1851 census shows him as age 25, so born c. 1826 in Herefordshire, place name looks like Winforton. Maria was born c. 1832 so if he was born 1817 it would make him quite a bit older than her.
Possible for John in Winforton in 1841
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M778-V4B
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going back to the 1851 census in Merthyr Tydfil, John & Maria are visitors in the household of James & Esther Ol(l)iver.
Birth regs for children
Joseph Oliver sept qtr 1847 Merthyr Tydfil vol 26 pg 401 mmn Austin
Thomas Oliver sept qtr 1850 Merthyr Tydfil vol 26 pg 463 mmn Austin
marriage ref
James Oliver dec qtr 1843 Presteigne vol 26 pg 397 with Hester Austin the only other name on the page.
1861 census, place of birth for Esther & George looks like Windfordon
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M717-6H8
So it's possible that John was visiting his sister.
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baptisms in Herefordshire
Esther
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W4PR-DRN2
Harriet
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W454-MY2M
Thomas
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:W45M-BWT2
Sarah
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7B4T-ZWT2
but not one for John.
possible marriage
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WML6-DBN2
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I'm not sure now. A professional researcher left me with John Austin (b1817) marrying Maria Pugh (b1832) no mention of a Herefordshire connection. I do have the marriage certificate but I' m pretty sure has 'of full age'.
John Austin went out to Hughsovka/Stalino/Doneska & when the family were due to out to meet him they got a telegram to say he had died. I listened to a talk about the town & they say hundreds went out, & over 90% of the men had russian wives. Never been able to find his death.
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the details of John's father from the marriage cert may help. Also, the names of the wtinesses.
Do you have a census entry for them in 1861? I know there are Monmouthshire pieces missing from 1861.
The 1851 for John, Maria & Sarah appears to be the correct family as there is a birth reg for Sarah Austin with mmn Pugh. So, from that John was 25 and born in Herefordshire. More than old enough to be full age on marriage the previous year.
Following Sarah Austin in Winforton who may be John's mother, in 1851 she has a 2 year old grand daughter living with her, Jane Austin born Merthyr.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGD7-Y96
Birth reg Jane Austin march qtr 1849 Merthyr Tydfil vol 26 pg 433, no mother's maiden name, so illegitimate.
still with grandmother in 1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7X2-MBD
birth reg for Alice Davies Austin march qtr 1852 Hay vol 11b pg 137 also has no mother's maiden name.
The Hughesovska archive is held at the archives in Cardiff.
https://glamarchives.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Hughesovka-table-of-contents.pdf
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Thank you for all your help regards Trish