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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: Alexander. on Tuesday 27 October 20 01:28 GMT (UK)
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Having trouble deciphering the second name from the bottom (the five month old daughter). This is from the 1850 census in Rochester, Monroe Co., New York.
Thanks!
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:)
I haven't a clue.
Can you find the family on the 1860?
Maureen
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No, that's half the problem. Haven't been able to trace a single member of this rather large family after this census. Also finding birth records in New York for this time is quite difficult.
Alexander
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Hi.
Could the name be Cora ( with a rather squiggly capital C) ?
Certainly that is the transcription on Familysearch website :-\
The boy Edwin Slater aged 4 could be on the 1860 Census ( aged 14) living with a Stephen and Eliza Patten ( Eliza perhaps his sister?) in Ontario, Wayne, New York.
Looby :)
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Find My Past also has this transcribed as Cora.
When you compare it to the writing by the same person, the name of the person is written in the upper right hand corner as Assistant Marshall - it looks like Egora.
There is the name Catherine on the same page and the C is written differently.
I can’t say I have ever heard of Egora. This couple are English and there is a male name Igor or Egor. That, I think, is a form of Georgii in Russian.
A very tricky one.
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I see Cyora?
Carol
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Looks to me like Cyara – variant spelling of the Irish Keira, perhaps? Just a suggestion.
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I knew an Irish girl once called Ciara which is what I thought this name was - but the first letter looks like the other capital Es
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It is Cyara, from the Irish meaning 'Black' (Irish 'ciar')
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Henry Slater State: NY County: Ulster County Township: Rochester
Record Type: Federal Population Schedule Page: 424 Database: NY 1860 Federal Census Index
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Who can tell - how many Henry Slaters in Monroe in agriculture.......
Henry Slater Enumeration Date: 22 Jun 1880 Place: Penfield, Monroe, New York, USA
Schedule Type: Agriculture OS Page: 19 Line Number:4
Which member of the family is your ancestor?
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Thank you all for the ideas. I will look into Cyara variants. The family were English with no known ties to Ireland but it's worth a further look.
Chempat, I'm descended from Henry Slater's sister, so he's not my direct line of ancestry. Until recently it seemed Henry had vanished off the face of the earth as I could find him in no UK census, but just found a document related to probate in 1847 regarding the will of his grandfather, which helpfully recorded him as a brewer of Rochester, Monroe Co., New York. So I know this is the right Henry but no luck tracing any of the family further so far.
I do wonder if they could have gone to Canada since Rochester is so close the border.
Thanks
Alexander
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So a brewer not a farmer. It is obvious on that census.
My tip is to look on ancestry trees, because if he does stay in USA and has a family, someone usually in America will have him in a tree.
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Turns out that the unknown child was actually Deborah.
Not sure what the enumerator thought they were writing. ;D
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Turns out that the unknown child was actually Deborah.
Not sure what the enumerator thought they were writing. ;D
Perhaps you’ve seen the following since you know that the child’s name was Deborah…
Mt. Hope Cemetery, Rochester, NY
Elizabeth Slater 1813-1859
Anna Slater Upton 1837-1919
George Slater 1842-1871
H. Slater 1840-1841
Louisa M. Slater Miles 1845-1925
Deborah Slater Wilks 1850-1927
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tdh/
Possibly the family (had to) split up after Eliza’s death? :-\
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1851 Rochester, NY Directory
Henry Slater, spring brewery, & h. 2 Alexander
1855 Rochester Directory
Henry Slater, produce dealer, h. N Alexander
(Same Henry?)
https://www.libraryweb.org/rochcitydir/images/1855/1855p-z.pdf [pdf]
1859 Rochester Directory
Henry Slater, miller, h. Cor. Alexander and New Main
(Again, your Henry?)
https://www.libraryweb.org/rochcitydir/images/1859/1859p-z.pdf [pdf]
Henry Slater, h. Alexander was not in the 1860 Rochester Directory. I did not look at any other years.
https://roccitylibrary.org/digital-collections/rochester-city-directories/rochester-city-directories-by-decade/
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The above appears to be your Henry…
1853 Rochester Directory
Henry Slater, produce dealer, h. Alexander
Miss Ann Slater, bonnet maker, b. Alexander
Miss Ellen Slater, dress maker, b. “
https://www.libraryweb.org/rochcitydir/images/1853/1853p-z.pdf
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Hi Lisa, thanks for the directory records, I didn't have all of those.
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There is a will of Anna Upton which mentions Deborah Wilks as her sister.
I also had that child in my family tree which sent me to do some more sleuthing using Deborah Wilks also gave me more information about the family.
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Hi, I have been able to trace most of the Slater children now.
Helen Slater, 1835-1927, m. David Hunter
Anna Slater, 1837-1919, m. Timothy Upton
Elizabeth Slater, 1839-1913, m(1). Robert Scrafield, m(2). George D. Hunter
H. Slater, 1840-1841
George Slater, c.1842-1871
Louisa Slater, c.1844-
Edward Slater, c.1846-, m. Sarah
Deborah Slater, 1850-1927, m. Edwin Wilks
I lost trace of Edward after 1880 in Chicago.
A few trees have Louisa as married to Asil Miles, but I don't think this is correct. I think they have the wrong Louisa.
Helpfully Elizabeth and Ann's death certificate both give their mother's surname as Bradley. There is no marriage between Henry Slater and Elizabeth Bradley in England, so I think that they must have married in New York. Henry's naturalization records show he immigrated in 1834 although I haven't been able to find a passenger list.
Still not sure what happened to Henry, seems he was alive when Elizabeth died in 1859, but no trace after that. I cannot find any of the family on the 1860 census.
Regards,
Alexander
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Hi, I have been able to trace most of the Slater children now…
…Still not sure what happened to Henry, seems he was alive when Elizabeth died in 1859, but no trace after that. I cannot find any of the family on the 1860 census.
Regards,
Alexander
Regarding Henry’s children: have you found any information about when and where they married? Perhaps that may lead you Henry and the siblings in 1860?
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Hi.
Could the name be Cora ( with a rather squiggly capital C) ?
Certainly that is the transcription on Familysearch website :-\
The boy Edwin Slater aged 4 could be on the 1860 Census ( aged 14) living with a Stephen and Eliza Patten ( Eliza perhaps his sister?) in Ontario, Wayne, New York.
Looby :)
Alexander, I haven’t taken the time to reread the comments…was this lead ever discounted?
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A very, very longshot, but just in case Henry returned to England in his later years.
There was an 1809 born Henry Slater, a brewer and widower, born Bromsgrove, in Solihull Union Workhouse at 1881 census. I haven't noticed from a quick scan of this thread, if you mentioned Henry's birthplace earlier and whether or not this would fit.
Likely death for this chap in Solihull in 1886.
Forget above, this chap looks to have been in England with a wife Roseanna at 1851.
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…Edward Slater, c.1846-, m. Sarah…
1870 Chicago, Illinois Census
Edward Slater
Birth: about 1846, New York
Inferred spouse: Sarah
Marriage: May
Residence: 1870 Chicago Ward 5, Cook, Illinois
Your Edward?
Illinois County Marriage Records
Edward Slater
Marriage Date & Place: 22 May 1870, Knox, Illinois
Spouse: Sarah Peck
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Hi, I think the Edwin with the Pattens in 1860 might be him, but Eliza Patten was not his aunt. I do have Sarah Peck as his likely wife although need confirmation. Unfortunately he seems to disappear after 1880.
I think it is fairly likely that Henry Slater (the father) had probably died before 1870. Reason being, his eldest daughter Helen is shown on the 1870 census that she owned real estate at value of $2000. I think it most likely she would have inherited much of this from her father. Although I haven't been able to trace a will or probate for Henry in New York, which makes me wonder if he had moved to Chicago (where many of the children ended up) or elsewhere.
Alexander