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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: a.thompson on Saturday 07 August 04 00:01 BST (UK)
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I really need help after researching my family history to Plymouth I have hit a dead end my gr,gr,gr,grandfather Archibald Roden a soldier who married Jessie Pearse in St Thomas 1876 and living in Alphington Street also on marriage certificate his father James Roden an ostler also from Devon this is all the information on Archibald I can find nothing before this marriage certificate or his where abouts after their marriage have you come across any of these names.I am searching everywere I can think
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on 1871 census
Archibald Rodan age 21 aborn scotland a drapers assistant living in Pennington Lancashire
James Rodan age 56 born scotland a corn dealer living in Hereford herefordshire he is a boarder with others working with horses.
could be ones you want sandie
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Do you mean to say they were living in Alphington Street in St. Thomas (Exeter)? You weren't very clear.
???
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If Sandie found the right one then maybe
Archibald Roddan b 13 Aug 1848 Dumfries Dumfries Scotland Baptised 7 Sep 1848
parents James Roddan and Wilhelmina Telfer
Siblings
Robert Rodan b 7 nov 1844 baptised 10 dec 1844 Closeburn Dumfries Scotland
parents James Rodan and Wilhelmina Telpher
Agnes Rodden b 10 oct 1846 baptised 26 oct 1846 Lochmaben Dumfries Scotland
parent James Rodden and Wilhelmina Telfer
marriage not on BIVRI
Kris
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1871 Scotland census
James Rodin 63 hostler b Kirkmahoe Dumfries
Wilhelmina Telfer 59 wife b ditto
35 Louburn Street Dumfries
CSSCT1871_183 Ed 8 p 30 line 18
They have Archibald age 2 on 1851 census
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1851
James Rodan 42 Farm servant
Wilhelmena 39
Mary 15
Ebenezer 10
Robert 6
Agnes 4
Archibald 2
Burn Street North East Side Dumfries St Mary
Ed 17 p 5 line 17 CSSCT1851_206
Same family 1861
address Admiral Inn Dumfries father an ag lab transcribed as Redan
CSSCT1861_143 Ed 10 p 5 line 12
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1841 Scotland
James Rodan 32 ag lab
Wilhelmina 29
Mary 5
Ebenezer 5mths
Duncow Kirkmahoe Dumfries
CSSCT1841_144-0098 ED 5 P 4 line 1350
I know this is a long shot but couldnt see James on anything after 1871 so maybe Wilhelmina died and he moved to England!!!
These also tie in with what Kris found.. ;D ;D
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I have found that young Archibald called his first born Archibald after his dad then the names of the other children were James after Grandad then Doris Jessie , Mary ,Rose ,Blanche ,Margaret ,Philip ,Samuel ,Vernon then Violet .
I always tend to look for name connections and would of thought Wilehmenia would have been a christian or middle name of one of his children but it may well have not been but I cannot find anything apart from what you have found on James ,Archibald senior or Jessies deaths.
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Wilhelmina died in 1877 .James was still alive. James and Wilhelminas daughter Agnes died in 1893 her father was listed as deceased and his occupation a Soldier so I hope this gives you a window to look for him.
Regards Linda
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In 1881, Archibald Roden, aged 37 (c1844), born in Scotland, was living in Wigan, Lancashire.
He is a commercial traveller boarding in the household of Daniel Gibson, a draper from Scotland. That fits with the info about an Archibald Roden in this thread.
However, his marital status is given as unmarried.
Is his age stated on the marriage certificate?
Also, could you give us the info about Jessie Pearse from the certificate? Age, father's name and occupation ... and do the witnesses appear to be relations?
Looking for Jessie after 1876 could help find them, and this would provide info to help look for Archibald after 1876.
Or ... do you know all about Jessie already? and if so, would you give us that info too please? Date and place of birth, etc.
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FindMyPast has two service records for what I suspect are the same person:
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/army-service-records-search.action
Archibald Roddan, dob 1855 Dumfries, Dumfriesshire
Archibald Roddan, dob 1855 Auchincruk, Dumfriesshire
It could be worth having a look at them, as I suspect that is your person.
The one in Lancashire I think must be a different person.
Although ... in 1881 there is Archibald Roddan, dob c1854, living in Dumfries with wife Susan, same age, and 8-yr-old son Joseph. That looks like the person in the military record, and would seem to rule him out as the person in the Devon marriage.
Certainly is odd how the father James in the earlier censuses matches the details on the Devon marriage certificate ...
Maybe there really were two of them! It could be worth accessing the military records, to check.
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Okay, 1871 in St Thomas, Devon
Jessie Pearse, aged 14, born Stoke, Plymouth
living on Alphington St with parents and siblings
Robert, 43, Mason, born Bampton
Ann, 38, born ? near Mary Tavy
Ellen, 24, born Tavistock
Sarah, 19, born Tavistock
Rebecca, 18, born Camborne Nr Tavistock
Emma Jane, 12, born Morice Town, Plymouth
Mary, 9, born ditto
Elizabeth, 7, born ditto
Edith, 4, born Ford Nr Plymouth
William Robert, 2, born St Thomas, Devon, Exeter
Reminds me of a family of mine; he kept trying and he finally got a son. ;)
I don't see a Jessie in 81 or 91 in England with the right surname or husband to be Jessie Pearse.
Since these are your direct ancestors, obviously you know who at least one of their children was -- name, date and place of birth ...
Have you not found that person in censuses with one or both parents?
It's always best to give all the info you have that nobody else knows.
Is Archibald not with his family in any census after 1876? If he is, then it will say something about his date and place of birth at least ...
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"I have found that young Archibald called his first born Archibald after his dad then the names of the other children were James after Grandad then Doris Jessie , Mary ,Rose ,Blanche ,Margaret ,Philip ,Samuel ,Vernon then Violet ."
Doris Jessie was born in Devonport in 1905.
They married in 1876 and their second child was born in 1905??
Vernon and Violet were born in 1920 and 1923 in Birkenhead.
Okay, so we are talking about Archibald Jr; I had been confused.
Archibald George Roden married Mabel Florence Berry in Plymouth in 1904.
However, there is no birth for that name in England/Wales.
Alrighty.
1901 in Plymouth: Archibald Rodden, aged 25 (c1876), born Exeter, Devon, grandson, living with Ann Pearse (as in the 1871 census) and her son Samuel, 23.
In 1891 he appears as Archibald Pearse (Peare, per Ancestry), aged 15, living with grandmother Ann Pearse (mistranscribed by Ancestry as Pearce).
In 1881, mistranscribed by Ancestry as Boden, aged 6, living with Pearse grandparents in Exeter.
Birth: Archibald George Pearse, 1874, St Thomas
So he never lived with his parents, it seems.
If you have any info about them after their 1876 marriage ... I'm suspecting they left the country?