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Title: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Star_boy123 on Wednesday 07 October 20 19:27 BST (UK)
Hi,

Could you please date this photo?

I believe this may be my 4 x Great Grandfather born in Hambleton, Selby in 1894

He passed away aged 49 in December 1853, due to the dates I have doubts as to whether this may be him as he was not a wealthy man so may be possible that he could not afford a photo portrait. Also it shows on the photo it was taken in Harrogate and not the Selby area.

I'm hoping that by dating the photo I may have an idea as to whether this may be him?

I'd also be happy with any restoration to make the image clearer

Thank you
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 07 October 20 23:07 BST (UK)
I think is 1880s, but Jim will have a better idea, it's always a good idea to post the whole photo including the back as it holds Dating info. For restoration purposes, a scan of a resolution at 300dpi if possible, will give the best result.
Carol
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: McGroger on Thursday 08 October 20 01:28 BST (UK)
I assume 1894 should read 1804. You need to look for someone a generation or so later. I agree with Carol about the date, perhaps late 1880s into the early 1890s. W Davey was in Harrogate from 1886 into the 1900s when he changed the business name to Walter Davey & Son.

Here's my go at a restore.
Peter
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: McGroger on Thursday 08 October 20 01:43 BST (UK)
Or a little bit smoother and lighter skin if you prefer.
Peter
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 08 October 20 10:30 BST (UK)
It looks like there is writing on the back of the photo. His beard is known as a Newgate Frill.
Carol
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 08 October 20 10:59 BST (UK)
It looks like there is writing on the back of the photo. His beard is known as a Newgate Frill.
Carol

Looks like Chris Snead or something like that!
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Trishanne on Thursday 08 October 20 12:39 BST (UK)
Hi Gadget, I too reversed the image of the signature and tried to make it as clear as possible but when I came to post it I found that you had beaten me to it. My result was the same as yours,  ???
Pat
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 08 October 20 12:45 BST (UK)
Pat - I've been trying to work out how it got there as I assume it has a card backing. It could be someone pressing very hard or maybe written on the front/accidentally transferred  to the print  :-\

There's also a curve to the right of CHRIS,

 ???
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: oldfashionedgirl on Thursday 08 October 20 12:51 BST (UK)
You don’t think it could say CHRIS(MAS) CHEER ?

Just a thought  ;)
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Trishanne on Thursday 08 October 20 13:36 BST (UK)
A restore from me, I've left him his forehead wrinkles,
Pat
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Trishanne on Thursday 08 October 20 13:37 BST (UK)
One with a slight tint
Pat
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Trishanne on Thursday 08 October 20 13:49 BST (UK)
 Gadget, I think you are right about something after CHRIS, I think it could be another word. I have tried all ways to make it clearer but I can't. It's hard to say where the writing is from, as you say if there is a card backing to this photo it's hardly likely to be from there.
Pat
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 08 October 20 14:14 BST (UK)
The best that I can come up with is a transfer from another piece of paper with wettish ink on it. If it was put on top of the photo, it would transfer to the print surface  :-\
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 08 October 20 14:27 BST (UK)
I think that it's copy and someone has written on the back of it, as the writing is reversed, or, they have re-used paper.
Carol
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 08 October 20 14:34 BST (UK)
Re date - most of the photos I have in my books, date that type of outfit, especially neckware,  as 1870s. I originally thought maybe 1880s but have just had another look through .
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 08 October 20 14:58 BST (UK)
I had the same thoughts but I could only find the photographer with that same writing on and no address as 1880s but 1870s seems more likely ::)
Carol
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 08 October 20 16:21 BST (UK)
I see Chris Stead  ???
Carol
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Treetotal on Monday 12 October 20 22:41 BST (UK)
I think Starboy has forgotten about this post   :-\
Carol
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Trishanne on Monday 12 October 20 23:00 BST (UK)
Yes he was online tonight at 21.44 but no comments on his post  ??? ???
Pat
Title: Re: Can you date this photo of James Sayner ?
Post by: Star_boy123 on Monday 12 October 20 23:06 BST (UK)
Thanks everyone. I'd not forgotten. I'm still none the wiser as to who this is. On the bottom of the photo I have a copy of someone had written the name James Sayner. That was my 4x Great Grandfather and 2 x Great Grandfathers names but the 1st one lived between the first dates I supplied and the second I have a picture of so know it's not him! Guess I'll never know!