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Title: Bridge
Post by: magicnanny on Saturday 19 September 20 12:59 BST (UK)
Hello  hopefully Im on the right section for Emley . I' am looking into a fatal accident which happened with a colliery worker with a horse and cart on a bridge, it was in a archive news paper and very detailed as to what happened but no name of bridge . he is a important part of my tree . He worked for a Sir John lister, Lister keys near Emley  date would of been 1861 in which the accident happened .I would love to know where the bridge is to visit along with going to the grave which is in St Micheal of Arcangle church . I' have looked for the bridge but still have no idea which one .Thankyou for any help you can give .
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: zetlander on Saturday 19 September 20 15:43 BST (UK)
Hello  hopefully Im on the right section for Emley . I' am looking into a fatal accident which happened with a colliery worker with a horse and cart on a bridge, it was in a archive news paper and very detailed as to what happened but no name of bridge . he is a important part of my tree . He worked for a Sir John lister, Lister keys near Emley  date would of been 1861 in which the accident happened .I would love to know where the bridge is to visit along with going to the grave which is in St Micheal of Arcangle church . I' have looked for the bridge but still have no idea which one .Thankyou for any help you can give .

wonder if the bridge is named on the Death Certificate - place of death?

what was the guy's name?
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 19 September 20 15:44 BST (UK)
So the accident happened in 1861 - can we have the name please, so that we can look at the newspaper account?

Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: Milliepede on Saturday 19 September 20 15:47 BST (UK)
Have you looked on the 1861 census for Lister?  You can page back and forth and look at the addresses which may help or on old maps perhaps.

Did he die before the census that year ( 7 April ) or after?
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 19 September 20 16:22 BST (UK)
Name is John Wilkinson - Huddersfield Chronicle - 12 January 1861.  John is aged 32, left a wife and 3 children, he had only worked in this capacity for 3 weeks..  Killed on the tramway from the colliery - so we're looking for a rail-type bridge.   Buried 13 January 1861.

 

Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 19 September 20 16:30 BST (UK)
And I think that the colliery owner was Sir John Lister Lister-Kaye - I could, of course, be totally wrong  :-\
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 19 September 20 16:41 BST (UK)
Could this be his family in 1861 -  RG9/3417 folio 47 page 21 - Emley

Mary A Wilkinson - 34 - Widow - Receiving parochial relief
Ellen - 9
Elisabeth A - 6
Henry - 4
John - 2 months, so born after John's death  :'(
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 19 September 20 17:02 BST (UK)
I might be wrong about that family in 1861.  I can see baptisms at Emley for all those children, but John is said to be a Weaver - including the baptism for John in 1861 = John Wilkinson, weaver, deceased.

Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 19 September 20 17:30 BST (UK)
I haven't found a map from 1861, but on later ones I could only see one colliery with a tramway in the parish of Emley. This is Park Mill Colliery, which is just inside the parish boundary but closer to the settlement of Clayton West. It's in the top right quarter of this map:

https://maps.nls.uk/view/100948769

There appear to be various bridges where the road and tramway cross the river. "Bridge" is shown on the road at this point, but I don't know if that's simply a descriptive term or what the area became known as; on other editions of the map the wording there is "Park Mill Bridge".
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: magicnanny on Saturday 19 September 20 21:00 BST (UK)
Thankyou very much for your information that's great everyone . Sorry but just did not think about putting a name just was thinking of bridge at the time . Yes BumbleB right on all counts well done this is the right man and his family . The paper did say it was Sir John Lister  Lister keys near Emley         ( John and family were living at upper lane Emley at his time of death ) but looks like it might be to difficult to find the actual bridge . thankyou once again .
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: dobfarm on Sunday 27 September 20 19:59 BST (UK)
Added from  arthurk map link

See snippet of your map link (Follow the river )
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 27 September 20 22:26 BST (UK)
Well done, dobfarm - always to be relied on  :)
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: dobfarm on Sunday 27 September 20 23:45 BST (UK)
Hi BumbleB

Yes! it looks like the Tramway crossing over the river Dearn (I've ringed it off in orange lines with a ? mark!! but is not marked as a bridge or viaduct or aqueduct on the map but is the only tramway.)

BUT! on further browsing google the ring lined  in blue and red with a ? mark where the tram way goes over the road could be called a bridge see link

https://www.aditnow.co.uk/Album/Historic-Photographs-Of-Parkmill_5219/

Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: magicnanny on Monday 28 September 20 10:10 BST (UK)
Hi fascinating thankyou very much dobfarm looked at the link too .  Have i got it right it was a tram line over the river and he must of crossed the tram line with his horse and cart ?As you can guess Im not from this area,would you know is it all still there do you know? thankyou so much for your help  I am so looking forward to my visit as I had been looking for this man now for years so it will be the icing on the cake as they say to visit the church and bridge if possible. John had been living at Upper lane Emley at the time of his death so hopefully not far from the bridge  .
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: dobfarm on Monday 28 September 20 12:46 BST (UK)
In answer to your question

The tramway crossed the river bridge and the road bridge = so could have been either- John's death certificate (Mentioned on this thread) may help identify the place of death.

The colliery and surrounding buildings, tramway and tramway road bridge in the link (My last posting) have all gone except the tramway river bridge that has been repaired as  part of ongoing building of new houses program  Frickley Mews bridge. See google maps link

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.6011045,-1.6108305,19z

Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: magicnanny on Monday 28 September 20 18:51 BST (UK)
Thankyou once again everyone I will be sending for the death ceft now hopefully it will show some more info .
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: Gibel on Tuesday 29 September 20 00:46 BST (UK)
The newspaper a week later reports on the inquest and states that it was Kaye’s colliery at Stocksmoor near Emley and witness stated that it was John’s job conduct wagons up and down an incline between Standcliff Wood and Little London. The witness was on the tramway about 600 to 700 yards from the stationary engine, he heard a shout and found John who said he had been caught by the wall and knocked of the waggon. The witness was a George Idle. There is more but just giving a precis.
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: dobfarm on Tuesday 29 September 20 04:33 BST (UK)
Thats put the ' spanner in the works' in park mill pit - thread theory-well and proper closed

Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: arthurk on Tuesday 29 September 20 11:46 BST (UK)
To be fair, the OP did say 'near Emley'. Maybe we (I?) should have checked for newspaper reports before jumping to conclusions re Park Mill.

Having said that, after a quick look I can't find any collieries near Stocksmoor on a map, nor Standcliff Wood or Little London. Can anyone else?
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: Gibel on Tuesday 29 September 20 14:05 BST (UK)
On a list of collieries I found Stocksmoor Colliery which was owned by Kaye.
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: arthurk on Tuesday 29 September 20 15:17 BST (UK)
That's good - can we pin down exactly where it was (and its tramway)?
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: Gibel on Tuesday 29 September 20 16:02 BST (UK)
I’d contact the National Mining Museum Wakefield and hopefully they will be
able to pinpoint where the mine was.
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: arthurk on Tuesday 29 September 20 16:17 BST (UK)
Stocksmoor was confusing me - I was looking near Stocksmoor railway station, which is near Kirkburton to the west/south-west of Emley.

There's a similarly named Stock's Moor to the NE of Emley, in the parish of Sitlington (formerly Shitlington), and it does have collieries near it. The following map shows Little London; I can't see a Standcliff Wood, but there is a Stoney Cliffe Wood. Here it is, hopefully centred on Stock's Moor:

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=53.63343&lon=-1.58674&layers=6&b=1

Little London is just right of centre, and there's a colliery railway running across the area with a number of mines alongside. I'm pretty confident now that this is going to be the right area, but you might need different maps or resources to find out exactly which mine it was and where the accident happened.
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: Gibel on Tuesday 29 September 20 17:00 BST (UK)
I was also thinking of the same Stocksmoor as you as I remembered the railway station when I lived in Penistone. Good find I think you’ve nailed it.
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: dobfarm on Tuesday 29 September 20 20:11 BST (UK)
Hi again,

First the newspaper snippet report seems to have missed off 'Road" of Stocksmoor -Which is Stockmoor road at Midgley, West Bretton near the Wakefield to Denbydale road. Stockmoor village and rail station (Stockmoor its self) is between Kirkburton and Holmfirth. Therefore the distance between Stocksmoor road at Midgley and Stockmoor village is about 6 miles apart.

2nd, the Prince of wales pit (later renamed  -Denby Grange owned by the Kayes (or Kays) seems the pit of interest or Victoria pit at Little London. Thus mislead arthurk or  all of us.
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: magicnanny on Saturday 03 October 20 12:45 BST (UK)
Hi Thankyou once again but very confused with this now not sure were to go with it all now.  Is the  accident in two different places to the report and inquest? also could you tell me which newspaper the inquest was in please . thanks Magicnanny
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: arthurk on Saturday 03 October 20 15:48 BST (UK)
Forget Stocksmoor near Kirkburton, with the railway station. I'm not sure how it got its name, but it's the wrong locality for the mine, the tramway and the accident.

Have a look at the map I linked to in Reply #22. This shows Stock's Moor Road running past Stock's Moor, with Little London a short distance to the NE. That's two of the places mentioned in the inquest report. The third one, Standcliff Wood, might be a journalist's error for Stoney Cliffe Wood (or an earlier version of the name?).

That area has a lot of mines, a mineral railway and probably other smaller tramways linked to it, so I'm fairly confident that the accident will have happened somewhere round there. It's not actually in Emley, but it's quite close.
Title: Re: Bridge
Post by: dobfarm on Saturday 03 October 20 17:11 BST (UK)
Only bridge over a mine tram or rail line near Little London I can see- as newspaper report