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Hi . I'm looking for the date of birth for a William John moon. Born in hastings. His daughter doris was born in 1910 so William John moon was born say 1880-1890 ?. When William was 6 years old his mother died after being burnt I assume in a house fire at 67 all saints street ,hastings. I would like to find out more about the circumstances of her death. But as yet I do not know her full name. I would be very grateful for any help . Thank you .
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Where was Doris born?
MOON, DORIS WHITTLE 1909 D Quarter in WIGAN Volume 08C Page 97
MOON, DORIS COLLISHAW
GRO Reference: 1911 J Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 401
MOON, DORIS BEATRICE WEYMAN
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 63
MOON, DORIS FLORENCE SMITH
GRO Reference: 1911 S Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 258
MOON, DORIS IRENE WILLIAMS
GRO Reference: 1909 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 623
MOON, DORIS MARGARET JENNER
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in HASTINGS Volume 02B Page 14
MOON, DORIS MAY DASCOMBE
GRO Reference: 1909 D Quarter in CLUTTON Volume 05C Page 415
Edit 1911 census.?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7BF-9M8
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2 baptisms for William John Moon both Hastings
11/03/1883 father Henry Thomas mother Sarah Jane Moon
09/12/1860 father William mother Matilda Moon
Louisa Maud
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Didn't you check freebmd for a birth for him? There is one in Hastings in 1883
Go to https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp and use the details from the freebmd entry to get his mothers maiden name which is shown as Foord
Use freebmd to look for a Moon marriage to a Foord & you will find one in 1877 so you have his parents - Henry & Sarah
Check freebmd for a death for Sarah - look at 1889
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Sarah J Moon death
Mar qtr 1889
Hastings
Aged 32
How about local papers for a report on her death
Louisa Maud
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Hastings and St Leonards Observer 02 February 1889
This has a report of "a woman called Moon, living in All-Saints Street, who was very severely burnt by the exploding of a paraffin lamp". It says she was admitted to hospital; the poor woman must have lived a while with her injuries :-[
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I found a report in the Hastings and St. Leonard’s Observer of 14 Jan 1882 for a fire at Vine’s Row, Hastings about Sarah Jane Moon testifying about the death from burns of her daughter, 15 months old, named Alice. Sarah was the wife of H.T. Moon, a painter. Present at the time, on Jan 1, was her three year old son. Sarah left the room for about 5 minutes and came back to find the child’s clothes smouldering. The child died on January 11. Death ruled accidental.
Perhaps some connection.
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Hastings and St Leonards Observer 02 February 1889
This has a report of "a woman called Moon, living in All-Saints Street, who was very severely burnt by the exploding of a paraffin lamp". It says she was admitted to hospital; the poor woman must have lived a while with her injuries :-[
A Sarah Jane Moon age 32 listed in FreeBMD, died Mar Q, 1889 Hastings. Very sad.
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William John Moon was the youngest of 5:
Stephen Henry birth Sept.1877 Hastings - mmn Foord
Lewis James birth Mar.1879 - died Sept.1882
Alice Charlotte birth Dec.1880 - died Mar.1882
Horace William birth Sept.1882 - died Dec.1882
William John birth Dec.1883
Cannot see surviving brothers Stephen and William in 1891.
Their father was Henry Thomas Moon bc.1853 and he'd died before his wife Sarah Jane, in Dec.qtr.1883 Hastings.
Annette
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In the 1891 census Stephen and William Moon are both lodgers at 118 All Saints St, Hastings.
Head of household is a widowed nurse, Margaret Hyde, 65 b Lewes.
RG12/759/46/4.
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Is this Doris?
MOON, DORIS MARGARET JENNER
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in HASTINGS Volume 02B Page 14
Parents marriage?
Marriages Jun 1907
JENNER Eliza Jane Hastings 2b 25
MOON William John Hastings 2b 25
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Is this Doris?
MOON, DORIS MARGARET JENNER
GRO Reference: 1910 J Quarter in HASTINGS Volume 02B Page 14
As per my suggestion in reply#1 (along with the 1911 census)?
Looks like it was, yes.
Pauline
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Ah sorry Pauline, I missed seeing that Doris in the list that you provided ::)
Modified: Just putting the full details of William's birth as mentioned by Carole.
MOON, WILLIAM JOHN FOORD
GRO Reference: 1883 D Quarter in HASTINGS Volume 02B Page 17
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If you have the urge to move there are plenty of houses in All Saints Street.
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Hastings and St Leonards Observer
09 Feb 1889
Lamp Accident
An inquest was held at the Hospital, on Friday, upon the body of a young widow named Moon. The facts elicited at the enquiry were somewhat remarkable. The evidence showed that deceased was much burned through the explosion of a paraffin lamp. Deceased suffered from heart disease and the Jury's verdict was that she succumbed to an attack of this, accelerated by burning. It also appeared that some months ago deceased's child was burnt to death, and some few years back her husband was severely burned.
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How very sad
One of my husbands relatives was severely burnt and resulted in her death, she was helping a child with her homework, leant oboe the fire to get a slate and board and her crinoline caught fire, I suspect it was quite a common occurrences, thank God times have changed, sad times, this family were left as orphans
Louisa Maud
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Thank you every body for all of this. I haven't had internet for a few days and gave only just been able to get a connection. Poor Sarah moon . How awful. William John moon was my husband grt grandfather. And its interesting to see that her bad heart gets a mention as that seems to have come up through the family to present day.
It all makes sad but interesting reading. Thanks again. I'm really grateful.
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I hate to put a dampener on the idea that a "bad heart" has been passed down the family BUT --- the likeliest cause by a looooooong shot of heart disease in a young woman in those days would have been as an aftermath of rheumatic fever, probably as child.So secondary to an infection and not anything to do with genetics.
Congenital heart disease (ie the sort that some babies are born with) (depending on type) has some familial tendencies but only a weak link.
The commonest heart disease these days is due to atheroma, in older people, and the tendency to develop this can certainly be increased in some families, but it is also heavily associated with lifestyle --weight. smoking, lack of exercise etc -- and it's very unlikely that this young woman would have suffered from that.
Obviously we don't have the finer details, and never say never etc etc, but don't assume that "heart disease" in the 1800s was the same sort of thing as nowadays, nor that it's necessarily hereditary.
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It seems that Sarah lost 3 children in the same year and her husband died in the same year. Poor woman.
William John Moon was the youngest of 5:
Stephen Henry birth Sept.1877 Hastings - mmn Foord
Lewis James birth Mar.1879 - died Sept.1882
Alice Charlotte birth Dec.1880 - died Mar.1882
Horace William birth Sept.1882 - died Dec.1882
William John birth Dec.1883
Cannot see surviving brothers Stephen and William in 1891.
Their father was Henry Thomas Moon bc.1853 and he'd died before his wife Sarah Jane, in Dec.qtr.1883 Hastings.
Annette
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What a sad family.
I wonder who took these poor little ones in and gave them a home
Louisa Maud
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There are quite a few family trees online, some showing photos of the parents. Stephen, it looks as if he spent time in Canada in WW1 and stayed there till his death
Louisa Maud
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Sorry no internet again.
Yes he did go to Toronto Canada and wrote to his niece doris for years. I read the letters recently. and he comments on the fire that killed his mother in one of them . This sparked my interest.
Seeing as she lost 3 children in one year. Apart from her daughter Alice it would be interesting to know how the other two children died. I wonder if they all died from fire related incidents.