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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: 1982FordEscort on Sunday 13 September 20 19:07 BST (UK)
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Hi all, my name's Jack, and I am new here. Anyway, I have recently been tracing the ancestry of my great-great grandmother Miriam Ellis (nee Thompson-Skinner). I have traced it as far back as 1795, when William Thompson married Mary Skinner in Burwash. I was wondering if anyone could help trace the Thompson line even further back.
Apparently, William Thompson was born in 1774 in Burwash and died in 1855 in Burwash, but only the latter of which I have found records for. I have also been told that W. Thompson's parents were William and Ruth Thompson (both born 1752), but I cannot find any records for either of them (aside from an 1809 burial record for a Ruth Thompson, who I am presuming is the right person).
If anyone could help me out, I would greatly appreciate it! Also, if anyone wants to know more, I'll be happy to answer any questions the best I can.
Thanks in advance,
Jack
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There is this baptism
William Thomson
born 31-1-1774
baptised 10-3-1774
Burwash
Denomination Calvinist
no parents listed on image
possible siblings
1775 Zachariah Thomson
1779 Elizabeth Thomson
1784 Ruth Thomson
all Burwash/Calvinist/no parents listed
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There is this burial
William Thomson
born 1752
buried 17-7-1822
Burwash
and from the newspaper February 1823
Notice for debtors & creditors....
William Thompson, late of Burwash, stonemason & bricklayer
The 1809 burial has the note wWilliam
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Thanks for your help, Comberton!
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Welcome to Rootschat, Comberton!
Don't forget Rebecca!
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Possible Marriage;
25 Oct 1772, St Mary Magdalene, Whatlington
Willm THOMSON to Ruth MEPHAM
Both of the Parish
Witnesses, William CROUCH/Thos. THOMSON/Walter BAILEY
There is a Ruth MEPHAM Bapt 28 Oct 1748, St Dunstan, Mayfield to JOHN/SARAH
John MEPHAM of Mayfield** married Sarah PARKER of Buxted, 24 Aug 1735 St Giles, Dallington
All on FreeREG
Trish :)
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Possible Marriage;
25 Oct 1772, St Mary Magdalene, Whatlington
Willm THOMSON to Ruth MEPHAM
Both of the Parish
Witnesses, William CROUCH/Thos. THOMSON/Walter BAILEY
There is a Ruth MEPHAM Bapt 28 Oct 1748, St Dunstan, Mayfield to JOHN/SARAH
John MEPHAM of Mayfield** married Sarah PARKER of Buxted, 24 Aug 1735 St Giles, Dallington
All on FreeREG
Trish :)
Thank you Trish. The time frames add up, so it certainly could be them. Just a couple of questions:
1. Could the Thos. (Thomas) Thomson listed in the marriage record be William's father or brother?
2. Ruth Thompson's 1809 burial record states she was buried on 4 Jan 1809 aged 57, thus would make her birth year either 1751 or (less likely) 1752. If the two Ruth's are the same person and Ruth Thompson was indeed born Ruth Mepham in 1748, was it common for women to understate their age by three years?
Thanks again,
Jack
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You have to remember that it wouldn't have been Ruth Thompson supplying those burial details. The person who did may not have known exact details and made a guess so quite common for ages to be out in burial records.
Pheno
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You have to remember that it wouldn't have been Ruth Thompson supplying those burial details. The person who did may not have known exact details and made a guess so quite common for ages to be out in burial records.
Pheno
That's true, but since her husband William was still alive (died in 1822), wouldn't he have supplied the details? Maybe even he didn't know his wife's exact age, or Ruth herself didn't know it and thus could never tell him.
Nevertheless, what you say makes sense, and I believe that what Trish has posted is for the right couple.
Jack
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1) Yes Thos (Thomas) may be a father/Brother or even Cousin.
2) A couple of years out in age is nothing unusual as Pheno has stated.
I definitely think they are your Family.
Trish :)
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Couple of bits about a William Thompson(maybe yours or related) that may or may not fit in.
From Burwash: Domesday to Millennium (An excellent book for anyone with Burwash ancestors)
In 1815 24 persons calling themselves Baptists were dismissed from the chapel (Non-conformist) and formed a church at Shovers Green. The dismissal was signed on behalf of the church by William Thompson amongst others.
William Thompson a builder in the 1840's and 50's owned 3 old shops towards the West End of the high street. His widow Elizabeth sold them to Henry Dann a tea dealer.
William Thompson also owned a number of cottages including Cobblers and Wrenns, he lived with his wife Elizabeth in the former and let out the rest. By 1879 he had died and his widow sold 4 of the cottages to Henry Wrenn. She remained living in Cobblers.
There are also the following MIs at St Bartholomews that may or may not fit in.
In/affecionate remembrance of/William Thompson/who died March 31st 1855/aged 81 years/ Also of Elizabeth his wife/who died February 13th 1864/aged 72 years/
Also of Priscilla his daughter/who died March 21st 1840/aged 30 years/
Also of Frances his daughter/who died June 12th 1876/aged 59 years
The 3 first named lie on the west and the last/named on the east side of this stone
(4 lines illegible)
? be to God/who giveth us the victory/through our
Lord Jesus Christ
Here lie the remains of/William Thompson/true
servant to/The Revd Archdeacon Courtail/who set up
this stone/in testimony of/the ? fidelity and
honesty/the singular ability and diligence/with which
he continually served him/during the course of 16
years./He died Novr 5 1785/aged 5/3?1 years
Some of that may help or it may lead you to other Thompsons in Burwash that are related.
Sean
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Just found a coroners report:
15 July 1822 Burwash. William Thomson: died by the visitation of God. 12 miles £1 9s - Thomas Barton
and finally in 1785 Land Tax
Owner: John Crouch
Occupier: Mr William Thompson
Lands: House
Rental: £2
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Thanks, Sean! Those definitely sound like the right person!
This is what I have so far in my Thompson investigation:
William Thompson (1774-1855) m. Mary Skinner (abt. 1771-1816) on 12 March 1795
i. William Skinner, born abt. 3 Feb. 1795 (before their marriage), died 14 April 1870 aged 85 (my direct ancestor)
ii. Mary Thompson, born abt. 3 Feb 1796
iii. Zachary Thompson, born abt. 25 Sept. 1798
iv. Joseph Thompson, born abt. Nov 1800
v. Priscilla Thompson, born abt. 12 Sept. 1807, died 21 March 1841 aged 33
William Thompson m. Harriet Moon (abt. 1798-1821) on 10 Aug 1817
vi. Frances Thompson, born abt 1817 (before their marriage), died 15 June 1876 aged 59 (never married, had illegitimate twins in 1842 with George Noakes)
vii. Matilda Thompson, born abt. 16 July 1818 (married Cox)
William Thompson m. Elizabeth Wood (abt. 1792-1864) between 1821 and 1825
viii. Elizabeth Thompson, born abt. Aug 1825
ix. James Wood Thompson, born abt. 1827, died abt. Nov 1899 in Camberwell, London
x. Eliza Lucy Thompson, born abt. 1830, died abt. Mar 1917 in Hastings (spinster)
xi. Hel(l)en Charlotte Thompson, born abt. 1832, died abt. Feb 1902 (married Coppard)
Please let me know if there's anything I've missed in my notes. I recently got a subscription to Find My Past and built a rather extensive family tree which includes the Thompsons, and I'd like to make sure it's all up to scratch!
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As you have got a FindmyPast sub you might want to look at RG4/2219 which details the Calvinist baptisms at Burwash, Heathfield and Mayfield if you have not done so already.
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As you have got a FindmyPast sub you might want to look at RG4/2219 which details the Calvinist baptisms at Burwash, Heathfield and Mayfield if you have not done so already.
Thanks for the suggestion, but I'm just wondering how I'd go about doing that. I've tried all sorts, but can't find the right section to search for RG4/2219.
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I haven't got FindMyPast myself unfortunately. The reference number is for the National Archives where FindMyPast got the data from. It is likely that when you do a general search for a baptism it looks through it anyway.
On Ancestry I would search through the “card catalogue” which is a list of all the different databases. Not sure if FindMyPast has anything similar.
Wouldn't worry about it too much, as I said it probably searches through it anyway.
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Here is the link, managed to find it:
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-Records/england-and-wales-non-conformist-births-and-baptisms
That will contain the Burwash Calvinist records.
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It is quite possible that this is the banns for William and Elizabeth giving she comes from Lambeth area.
5 Jul 1824 St George in the East, Tower Hamlets, England
William THOMPSON Widower
Elizabeth WOOD Spinster