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I am seeking more information about Horace Alfred Millard who was born in Woking Surrey on the 7 July 1886 from election registers etc.
He resided at 17 Leinster Mews, Paddington, Middlesex between 1939 and 1963 when he died.
Death 31 Mar 1963 17 Leinster Mews, Paddington.
Was Horace married; what was his occupation; etc?
Probate from 8 May 1963 states:- To the Public Trustee. Effects £1963 17s.
Muffin41
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have you found him on census rom birth to 1911?
Louisa Maud
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Sorry I have no other info other than that in my first message. :(
Muffin41
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Well here's his baptism, if that helps
Horace Alfred Millard
Baptism Date: 5 Sep 1886
Place: East Molesey, St Mary, Surrey, England
Parish: East Molesey
Father: Alfred William Millard
Mother: Margaret Elizabeth Millard
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got him on 1891 and 1901 so far
Louisa Maud
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If it is the same man, there is a HA Millard appearing 1930-1932 on the Britain Trade Union Membership Registers in Bristol within the Amalgamated Society of Lithographic Printers (FindMyPast)
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Have you located him on 1939.it will show there is he is married or not,
Louisa Maud
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I have not located him, my aunt gave me his address in 1939
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Tantalisingly there is a listing on Ancestry for Horace Alfred Millard within the London, England Church of England Marriages and Banns.
However, the entry shows no more than his name and gender - no date, no potential spouse, nothing.
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I have not located him, my aunt gave me his address in 1939
And this was 17 Leinster Mews, as you say?
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I will agree he did live in Leinster Mews but we cannot divulge 1939 listings
There is a marriage Sept 1923
Horace Millard
to
Edith M Hurst
Pancras
or was she also known as Marie E Millard after marriage?, was he also a chauffer/mechanic?
Louisa Maud
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I have not found a marriage for him but it fits in ;)
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He is very evasive?
LM
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There is a death; MILLARD EDITH MAY 29OC1895 KEN&CHELSEA 13 1393 which may be of help. :-\ :-\
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Electoral Regs
1928 showing
Horace and Maria Millard
together up to at least 1939., also lived at No 1 Leinster Mews and also No 17
LM
DISCOUNT THE MARRIAGE 1923 to Edith May Hurst
Father of this Horace shown as William Charles when we know his father is shown as Alfred on 1891 and 1901
So back to the drawing board
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If we're thinking his parents are Alfred William Millard and Margaret Elizabeth Screech then this appears to be the family:
GRO BMD references:
1885 Q3 Marriage: Alfred William Millard & Margaret Elizabeth Screech; Kingston; vol 2a; 515
1939 Q2 Death: Margaret Elizabeth Millard; age 78 (born c1861); Camberwell; vol 1d; page 594
1940 Q1 Death: Alfred William Millard; age 76 (born c1864); Greenwich; vol 1d; page 1615
1886 Q3 Birth: Horace Alfred Millard (mmn: Screech); Guildford; vol 2a; page 60
1888 Q4 Birth: Stanley Wheeler Millard (mmn: Screech); Lambeth; vol 1d; page 522
1890 Q3 Birth: Leonora Helen Millard (mmn: Screech); Lambeth; vol 1d; page 470
1893 Q2 Birth: Ethel Florence Millard (mmn: Screech); Lambeth; vol 1d; page 493
1899 Q1 Birth: Reginald John Millard (mmn: Screech); Lambeth; vol 1d; page 539
1901 Q3 Birth: Henry William Victor Millard (mmn: Screech); Lambeth; vol 1d; page 505
1913 Q3 Marriage: Vere V T Dishart & Ethel F Millard; Camberwell; vol 1d; page 1785
Probate
Alfred William Millard
of 27 Tudor road Woodside Surrey
died 8 Jan 1940
at St Alfeges Hospital 48 Vanbrugh Hill London
Admin
to Horace Alfred Millard, ambulance driver
and Reginald John Millard, sergeant, HM Army
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=millard&yearOfDeath=1940#calendar
1911 Census - Lambeth
Alfred William Millard & wife Margaret
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW57-WF3
Also, Horace can be located in 1939 but it may depend on what source (Anc or F M P) you're using.
EDIT: Corrected name of Horace named on probate record of possible father. Horace William Millard => Horace Alfred Millard. (Thankyou, LM).
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" Horace William Millard, ambulance driver"
Have we got the right Horace here?
Horace wasn't at "home" on 1911
Louisa Maud
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Listed on Ancestry 1933-1948 at no 17
Horace Alfred Millard
Maria Ersiglia Millard
1949 he is alone, 1950-51 Maria is living elsewhere.
After 1950 he is alone or with people with different surnames.
Maria Millard died 1973 Richmond upon Thames
matches 1939 Register dob
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1963 Alone in Leinster
LM
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It has occurred to me that he might have married abroad, he is missing as far as I cans see from 1911, did he go abroad?
Muffin, perhaps you could ask your aunt of more details
LM
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1945
Elect Regs
17 Leister mews
Alfred M Millard
Horace Alfred Millard and Maria Ersiglia
she appears to live there for 1947 and 1948 and looks as if by 1950 she has moved to 23 Craven Hill
Louisa Maud
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Well that explains this.
Travel documents online for Horace Millard aged 48, a chauffeur
London to Port Said 16-11-1935 and back 9-3-1936
Address on leaving was 23 Craven Hill W2 but coming back 17 Leinster Mews.
All other details match.
Amended date
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" Horace William Millard, ambulance driver"
Have we got the right Horace here?
My mistake, the probate was to Horace Alfred Millard, sorry for any confusion. I'll correct my previous post.
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It could be he was abroad in 1911 - cannot ask aunt anymore. :( :(
cuffie81 has the right family Horace is my brickwall ::)
Muffin41
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That ties up Cuffie, well done!!
Maria lived at 23 Craven hill 1950, wonder if the other occupant was a relative ?
Wonder who he chauffeured for, an affluent area
LM
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Other occupant
23 Craven
Elinor Strahan
LM
Added, what about buying a death certificate for Horace, will give you an informant which might help
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Could this be Maria?
GRO death reference:
1973 Q4 Death: Maria Millard; dob 25 Mar 1896; Richmond Upon Thames; vol 5d; page 1896
Probate:
Maria Millard
See Maria Annuciata Millard
Maria Annuciata Millard
otherwise Maria
of 77 Ham St Ham Richmond Sy
died 25 Dec 1973
Probate
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=millard&yearOfDeath=1974&page=3#calendar
NOTE: I overlooked Comberton had already posted (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=836423.msg7016676#msg7016676) the details of this.
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On the 1947 electoral register entry there's a Margaret Ambrosina Hickson at the same address as Horace and Maria.
Margaret appears to be the same Margaret/Margherita that married Reginald Frank Hickson in 1939 and then re-married in 1946 to a Walter G Manners, Reginald having died in WWII in Singapore. Margaret appears to have been born in 1915, so if she's a daughter of Horace and Maria you're likely looking for a marriage before then.
GRO references:
1939 Q2 Marriage: Reginald F Hickson & Margherita A Millard; Paddington; vol 1a; page 38
1946 Q2 Marriage: Walter G Manners & Margaret A Hickson; Westminster; vol 1a; page 1205
1997 Q4 Death: Walter George Manners; age 86 (born c1911); St Albans (5351a); A47C; 170
2011 Q1 Death: Margaret Ambrosina Manners; age 96 (born c1915); Hertfordshire (538-1r); 504396471
(I'm not certain about Walter's death but it looks kinda right. The will could provide confirmation. And either marriage certificate could provide confirmation that Horace is Margaret's father.)
Probate:
Walter George Manners
died 27 Oct 1997
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Wills?Surname=manners&SurnameGrants=manners&YearOfDeath=1997&YearOfDeathGrants=1997&IsGrantSearch=True&IsCalendarSearch=False&page=2#wills
Probate:
Margaret Ambrosina Manners
died 22 Jan 2011
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Wills?Surname=manners&SurnameGrants=manners&YearOfDeath=2011&YearOfDeathGrants=2011&IsGrantSearch=True&IsCalendarSearch=False#wills
Electoral registers:
1947 - 26 Upper Richmond Road, Putney; Margaret A Manners, Walter G Manners
1949 - 26 Upper Richmond Road, Putney; Margaret A Manners, Walter G Manners
1950 - 26 Upper Richmond Road, Putney; Margaret A Manners, Walter G Manners
1965 - 17 Chester Avenue, Richmond Upon Thames; Margaret Manners, Walter G Manners
Prisoner of war record:
name: Reginald Frank Hickson
birth: 25 Jan 1913
father: Albert Lewis Hickson
mother: Sophia Louise Jeanette Hickson
place of origin: 24 Knox Street, Marylebone, London
destination of report: Mrs M A Hickson, 17 Leinster Mews, Lancaster Gate, Bayswater
CWGC
name: Reginald Frank Hickson
age: 31
died 24 Jun 1944
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2133629/REGINALD%20FRANK%20HICKSON/
EDIT: Added 1965 electoral register (possible) record for Margaret and Walter
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Hi Muffin41
I did a bit of research on this family back in 2012 on behalf of a friend who is not a member of Rootschat. I'm fairly sure that you must share ancestors with her. Would you like me to give you her email address via a personal email (assuming that I can work out how to do it)
Regards
Spiderboy.
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WOW, what an opportunity to help solve some of the problems you have had.
Louisa Maud
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Thank you all for searching and finding out so much infomation for me. :) :)
Muffin41