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Ello
Ive lost a section of my family who were last seen on the 1911 census of (Victoria) Down Ireland
A john burns Rutherford born Scotland 1863 married to Jane also Scotland 1869
he was a blacksmith @ Workman and Clark Shipbuilders in Belfast where he had four daughters:
Jane Born Belfast circa 1897
Agnes Born Belfast circa 1900
Effie Born Belfast circa 1906
Elizabeth Born circa 1910
According to my searches they were at Evelyn Avenue, Pottinger, Down, Ireland in 1901 census,and in 1911 Oakland Avenue, Victoria (part of), Down, Ireland, and thats all I have
Bit of a mystery why he worked in Belfast, all the children born Belfast, working Belfast but living in Pottinger, Down
Andi
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Bit of a mystery why he worked in Belfast, all the children born Belfast, working Belfast but living in Pottinger, Down
No mystery - Pottinger is the Electoral Division in Belfast (Co Down side).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pottinger_(District_Electoral_Area)
Here's the family in 1901 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Evelyn_Avenue/1220443/
....and in 1911 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Oakland_Avenue/231385/
KG
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Hi Kiltaglassa
Thank you for the location of the district
Im trying to chase up what happened post census, marriages, deaths
I have just been looking up the company and the ships that got built by them
Andi
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Hi
I now believe Effie is short for Euphemia, and believe she was "Euphemia Waugh Rutherford" born Jul - Sep 1905
Also that Agnes Rutherford, was called Agnes Burns Rutherford, the confusion here is that Agnes "Burns" had a cousin also called Agnes "Burns" Rutherford also born in the same area of Belfast just a month later ....... No consideration for future family history buffs ::)
Ello
Ive lost a section of my family who were last seen on the 1911 census of (Victoria) Down Ireland
A john burns Rutherford born Scotland 1863 married to Jane also Scotland 1869
he was a blacksmith @ Workman and Clark Shipbuilders in Belfast where he had four daughters: Anymore help appreciated
Jane Born Belfast circa 1897
Agnes Born Belfast circa 1900 Now Agnes Burns 1899
Effie Born Belfast circa 1906 now Euphemia
Elizabeth Born circa 1910
According to my searches they were at Evelyn Avenue, Pottinger, Down, Ireland in 1901 census,and in 1911 Oakland Avenue, Victoria (part of), Down, Ireland, and thats all I have
Bit of a mystery why he worked in Belfast, all the children born Belfast, working Belfast but living in Pottinger, Down
Andi
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John Burns Rutherford died in 1929. He's buried with his wife Jane (Jean) and their infant son in Dundonald cemetery.
https://tinyurl.com/yymumgd8
Here's the death notice. Belfast Telegraph - 19th February 1929
Rutherford February 18, 1929 (suddenly), at 62 Oakland Avenue, John Burns, beloved husband of Jean Rutherford. Funeral to-morrow (Wednesday), at 2-30, to Dundonald Cemetery.
KG
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I now believe Effie is short for Euphemia, and believe she was "Euphemia Waugh Rutherford" born Jul - Sep 1905
Euphemia Waugh born on 10th June 1905. MMN is Waugh.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01776/1698498.pdf
KG
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Kiltaglassan
Thank you so much, I really appreciate this
Andi X
John Burns Rutherford died in 1929. He's buried with his wife Jane (Jean) and their infant son in Dundonald cemetery.
https://tinyurl.com/yymumgd8
Here's the death notice. Belfast Telegraph - 19th February 1929
Rutherford February 18, 1929 (suddenly), at 62 Oakland Avenue, John Burns, beloved husband of Jean Rutherford. Funeral to-morrow (Wednesday), at 2-30, to Dundonald Cemetery.
KG
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Jane Born Belfast circa 1897
Agnes Born Belfast circa 1900
Effie Born Belfast circa 1906
Elizabeth Born circa 1910
Here's some more, Andi
Agnes Burns born 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02011/1772531.pdf
Thomas born 1903
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01872/1728900.pdf
Elizabeth born 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01595/1641318.pdf
Plus Joan Waugh born 1913
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01424/1584681.pdf
Jane Weatherstone born 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02142/1813470.pdf
KG
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Hi Kiltaglassan
WOW, I really do thank you for this as I had no idea about Northern Irish or any Irish records, shame I didn't know this when I was over in Belfast a few year ago
I wonder how many relations I have in Belfast today
;) ;D
Andi R
Andi
Jane Born Belfast circa 1897
Agnes Born Belfast circa 1900
Effie Born Belfast circa 1906
Elizabeth Born circa 1910
Here's some more, Andi
Agnes Burns born 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02011/1772531.pdf
Thomas born 1903
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01872/1728900.pdf
Elizabeth born 1909
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01595/1641318.pdf
Plus Joan Waugh born 1913
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01424/1584681.pdf
Jane Weatherstone born 1897
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02142/1813470.pdf
KG
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Just adding some more for completion:
Thomas Rutherford’s death at 51/2 months.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05648/4590015.pdf
John Burns Rutherford born 1912
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01475/1601098.pdf
His death sadly at only 10 days
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05353/4491686.pdf
Thomas Rutherford buried in City Cemetery, Belfast
https://tinyurl.com/yyusl72n
KG
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KG
Its really sad sometimes seeing all the children who die at such young ages, with no chance of a life.
Ive got records of BMD from local churches near me and you see causes of death such as "Unnamed less than 12 hrs old, found in local reservoir", "10 days, body found in garden" or the harbour and these are in the 1920's.
Where I live we were a mining town and all the graves to children 10 years old who were killed
Annymore info would be great
But, I do thank you so much
Andi R
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OOOO ERR!!
This has also got a child of Thomas and Isabella Rutherford he he was the brther of John Burns, who is a story all by himself with three wives, on son who won the DSM in WW1, was promoted to 2nd Lieut then was awarded the MC, and died of spanish flu in 1919, so that was a good find
Just adding some more for completion:
Thomas Rutherford’s death at 51/2 months.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05648/4590015.pdf
John Burns Rutherford born 1912
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1912/01475/1601098.pdf
His death sadly at only 10 days
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05353/4491686.pdf
Thomas Rutherford buried in City Cemetery, Belfast
https://tinyurl.com/yyusl72n
KG
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From PRONI Wills Calendar website:
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
Will abstracts:
Rutherford John Burns of 62 Oakland Avenue Belfast blacksmith died 18 February 1929 Probate Belfast 3 May to Jane Waugh Rutherford the widow. Effects £1781 12s. 3d.
Rutherford Jane Waugh of 62 Oakland Avenue Belfast widow died 6 October 1935 Probate Belfast 10 January to John Warwick Bailie draughtsman and George McAllan engineer. Effects £1316 2s. 10d
There’s the connection with the two young McAllan children buried in the same grave at Dundonald cemetery.
Jane Born Belfast circa 1897
Agnes Born Belfast circa 1900 Now Agnes Burns 1899
Effie Born Belfast circa 1906 now Euphemia
Elizabeth Born circa 1910
Agnes was born on 8th February 1900.
KG
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Hi
Still looking into the names mentioned on the probate and the children in the graves
However, one of the things that came out of this was the brother of John Burns Rutherford, Thomas who was over in Belfast for a number of years with his wife Isabell Sparks Rutherford, there are a few people I didn't know existed until you helped me find John.
I notice one of the last residences of Mary Elizabeth Rutherford, who born 14th of June 1903 sadly died in Sept 10903, was Bonchester Neills Hill, but I think its Mill, do you know if there was ever a textile mill of some form, because Rutherfords came from Bonchester Bridge in Scotland and Thomas was a woollen manufacturer and draper, there seems to be a flour mill at Neills Mill?
I wonder if my relative had a mill, and named it after his home of Bonchester
Andi R
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Looking at her death record (Mary Elizabeth), I think the name of the house is Bonchester and it is in an area of Belfast known as Neills Hill. There is a street in east Belfast called Neills Hill Park.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05648/4590014.pdf
https://tinyurl.com/yxsbdvtw
KG
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I know one thing I've never known a family thats suffered so many infant mortalities
Could just of been a house called 'Bonchester'
ar
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It is an area in east Belfast close to the old Neills Hill station on the Belfast & Co Down Railway line.
Check out the PRONI Historical Maps Viewer to see the area. It's on the Edition 3 (1900 to 1907) map.
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-proni-historical-maps-viewer
KG
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See also this thread-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=836391.0
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Kiltaglasson
Hiya,
Sorry been off away from non work computer stuff,
I will look up the amazing links, your information has been really useful and Iam still working through it, my family tree is really filling out thanks to people like you who have got me over my long lasting walls
Thank you
Stay safe
Andi xx