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I’ve reached a brick wall trying to find my g-g grandfather, his name is William Thomas Grace ( poss Thomas William)
I have located his marriage record to Rose Cooper in on 22/3/1886 at Holy Trinity church in Chelsea and he is named on his children’s birth, baptism and marriage records but as he never appears on a census with the rest of the family I am unable to find a date/ year of birth.
He was a groom and later coachman in domestic service so presumably lived elsewhere but I cannot find anyone that fits the bill! Rose is a widow on the 1911 census but I’m again unable to locate a relevant death record.
Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated!
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What's the last date you have for him?
Last child's birth?
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On the 1886 marriage cert he is just William Grace occ groom - father was Thomas occ coachman
Both William & Rose are just shown as full age
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1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:35MX-S3Z
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9HH-HHB
GRACE, THOMAS WILLIAM mmn COOPER
GRO Reference: 1887 J Quarter in CHELSEA Volume 01A Page 370
GRACE, EDITH BERTHA mmn COOPER
GRO Reference: 1891 J Quarter in CHELSEA Volume 01A Page 372
GRACE, ALICE mmn COOPER possible death Mar 1893
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in CHELSEA Volume 01A Page 409
GRACE, JAMES mmn COOPER
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in CHELSEA Volume 01A Page 362
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1901 Rose is aged 39 & a charwoman b Belgravia - shown as married but I suspect they are separated given her occupation
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1881 has a William Grace b 1868 Corsley Wood Surrey occ stableman groom. Father Thomas has same occ
RG11 Piece 800 Folio 64 Page 25
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1881 has a William Grace b 1868 Corsley Wood Surrey occ stableman groom. Father Thomas has same occ
RG11 Piece 800 Folio 64 Page 25
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q277-GZKW
Jamjar
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Possible death??
Deaths March qtr 1903
Grace William 35 Edmonton 3a 257
IGNORE - matches a married man in 1901
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Birth?
GRACE, WILLIAM THOMAS mmn WOOTTEN
GRO Reference: 1867 J Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 95
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Where have you seen him as William Thomas?
Marriage - William
Baptism of Edith Bertha - William
Baptism of Rose 1897 - William
Births June qtr 1897
Grace Rose Chelsea 1a 383 mmn Cooper
Deaths Sep qtr 1897
Grace Rose 0 Chelsea 1a 261
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1891/1901/1911 - No husband on census just Rose & children
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1881 has a William Grace b 1868 Corsley Wood Surrey occ stableman groom. Father Thomas has same occ
RG11 Piece 800 Folio 64 Page 25
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q277-GZKW
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Jun 1865 Newport P. 3a 690
GRACE Thomas
MORRIS Emma
Death:
GRACE, EMMA 45
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in REIGATE Volume 02A Page 96
1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VB6P-2HX
GRACE, ALICE mmn MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in NEWPORT PAGNEL UNION Volume 03A Page 497
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:3YWK-T6Z
GRACE, WILLIAM mmn MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in TICEHURST Volume 02B Page 87
GRACE, GEORGINA mmn MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 303
GRACE, JAMES mmn MORRISS
GRO Reference: 1872 D Quarter in REIGATE UNION Volume 02A Page 154
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9X2-B8P
GRACE, FRANK mmn MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in REIGATE UNION Volume 02A Page 153
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSF4-38H
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Baptism of William at Wadhurst
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DT83-KP7
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Wow, thank you everyone! I’ll try and answer all the questions.
The last trace of him is on the baptism of daughter Rose in 1897, his wife Rose is married in 1901 census but widowed in 1911, she and the children end up in the workhouse a number of times after 1901, as I’ve been unable to locate a likely death record around that time I suspected he may have left rather than died?
On Roses death certificate in 1919 she is described as widow of William Thomas, coachman in domestic service, he is also William Thomas on one of the children’s marriage certificates but Thomas William on his son Thomas’ marriage certificate ( he is also variously known as William Thomas or Thomas William)
William Grace b 1868 of ticehurst was my chief suspect for a while, the fathers name and occupation matches that on Williams marriage certificate and he also lived briefly in the same area of Chelsea in 1871 census. It would mean William was only 18 at marriage but I guess this could be why they married by licence? I’m sure I then discounted him but cannot now remember for what reason?
Why cannot I find him on any censuses to confirm it’s the right one? This man has lost me so many hours!!
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Don't forget the 1903 Chelsea settlement exam of Rose Grace!
Age 40
Edith B Grace, 11, James Grace, 7
Wife of Wm Grace
Deserted 2½ years
Husband a coachman, 11 years at Sydenham, General Knight is mentioned.
Brief second write up/exam just a few pages later
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Thanks jonw65! I’ve never found that! Gosh looks like another day re- investigating for me!😩
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William in 1891 is at RG12; 524; 35; 5 in Sydenham; - servant/groom, b c1869, pob unknown. Enumerated with a Barnes family. Address - The Stables, Horner Grange
Says he's single
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Thank you!
I might have finally had a breakthrough! This site is amazing! I wish I had posted on here before! 😘
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I'll add the second one! Feb 1903
Good luck!
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Thank you so much, I thought I had searched everything! He was obviously a total scoundrel!