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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Merionethshire => Wales => Merionethshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: imarlb on Wednesday 05 August 20 14:56 BST (UK)
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On 11 Apr 1788 Hugh PUGH and Elizabeth EVANS obtained a licence to marry at Llanycil. The bridegroom was a joiner. The index from National Library of Wales gives a reference Ref 113/59. I would like to know if the licence or the marriage in the registers might give more information. Specifically the bondsman and witnesses might prove to be relatives. I hope that the bride was of Fedw Arian, if I should be so lucky that this info was recorded.
Can anyone help?
Thanks a bunch,
Irene
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The image for the marriage is available on FindMyPast. Bride's name is Mary Evans, not Elizabeth. Hugh was a widower, and Mary a spinster. Both signed the register. Witnesses: Griffith Pugh and ? Richards.
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The marriage you cite on FindMyPast took place at Llanymawddwy in December 1788 rather than at Llanycil in April 1788 - so this is not the marriage I was referring to. Shortage of surnames makes this more difficult, doesn't it?
The marriage bond index gives these details:
Title: Pugh, Hugh, bach., joiner, [Llanycil, Merioneth to Evans, Elizabeth, sp., Llanycil, Merioneth : 1788 Apr. 11.
Is Part Of Marriage bonds, ca. 1690-1837 99230987302419
Description: Marriage at Llanycil.
marriage bond.
Creation Date: 1788
Language: English
Source: Alma
MMS ID: 99160091402419
Institution: National Library of Wales
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Oops, sorry - I didn't look at the date.
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I was just about to give the ref. I know the person who processed them and he wouldn't get it wrong.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01psr/
Have you found it now, BB?
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No marriages are showing for Llanycil 1788+/- 5 years. I'm wondering if the Bala/Llanycil records have been withdrawn. I know that some parishes were taken off FindMyPast.
I might have the Clwyd fhs booklets. I'll take a look.
Gadget
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Not a lot of info but they are in the booklet:
11 April 1788 Hugh Pugh and Elizabeth Evans, both otp, bach and spn, both signed. Witnesses - Henry Jones and William Evans
Gadget
(one pair of my 3x greats were born and married in the parish :) )
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Thanks for the marriage info. Elizabeth's father was William Evans - a well-known Calvinist preacher. So this seems possible at least, even though there are lots of other William Evanses in the parish. I would still like to know what the bond and allegation says. I'm not sure that the marriage bonds are available away from the Library. Perhaps someone with a reader's ticket might know?
And it's interesting though very disappointing that the Llanycil marriages are missing from FindMyPast. I wonder why.
Elizabeth re-marries in Devonport in 1804 so presumably Hugh Pugh dies. I haven't been able to locate an obvious burial for him in Llanycil or adjacent parishes. And not in Devonport either. Nor have I found any children for this couple though Elizabeth was already the mother of an illegitimate daughter Anne Frances before she married Hugh.
Thanks for the help,
Irene
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Usually, you can get copies of the bonds from the NLW. The update here says that the commercial reprographic services are available from 1 August.
https://www.library.wales/reopening
enquiry service
https://www.library.wales/services/enquiries/nlw-enquiries
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Thanks very much. I had thought that the service was still suspended. I'll give it a go.
I've made some progress though - one small step at a time.
Thanks to all again,
Irene
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I had a look at some trees on Ancestry and found a group which includes yours.
Whilst looking for possible details, I found a DNA match with the last one, the Evans-Stephens family.
I can't find the exact link but, according to the obituary of my 3 x great grandfather, Evan Evans, he was born near Bala circa 1775. His parents moved to Pwllheli when he was young and, like your William Evans, he became a well-known Calvanistic preacher in the Caernarfon area.
He may not be related to the Llanycil families on the tree because it also has links to northern Merionethshire and Caernarfonshire areas, where I have ancestors.
I have a number of marriage bonds from Merionethshire and Caernarfonshire, which I obtained from the National Library. None of them mention the abode of the bride, other than the parish. The other signatories don't specify a relationship to the bride or groom but often match names from the family.
I can't see any links to Fedw arian, except for the will of Catherine Lloyd, a widow, in 1733.
Regards,
David
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Hello David:
As I mentioned before - shortage of surnames does make this more complicated. My William EVANS was baptised at Llangwm, Denbighshire in 1734. He was the son of Evan ROBERT and Elizabeth MORRIS. He married Gwen DAVIES at Llanfor, Merionethshire in 1758 by licence and his marriage bond states that he was of Llanycil so he had presumably already moved there. I believe that Evan ROBERT purchased Fedw Arian sometime during William's childhood.
William's life is summarised in the Dictionary of Welsh Biography - see https://biography.wales/article/s-EVAN-WIL-1734?&query=william%20evans&searchType=nameSearch&lang[]=en&sort=sort_name&order=asc&rows=12&page=1
So I don't think that he can be the same one who went to Pwllheli.
Actually, I do have a marriage bond for William's half sister Hannah EVANS on her 2nd marriage at Llanycil in1784. In summary: Griffith THOMAS of Coed Corlion in Llanfawr, yeoman and bachelor to Hanna EVANS of Fedw Arian in Llanycil, widow. Bondsman was Evan EVANS. Both Evan and Griffith signed.
So it does happen but I take your point. It's probably pretty unusual. I must have got lucky with that one.
Thanks for getting in touch. There are quite a few of William's descendants with DNA tests on Ancestry but this might be too far back for enough in common to show up.
Regards, Irene