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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: Foz405 on Sunday 02 August 20 13:07 BST (UK)
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I understand that this John Reeve is the father of David Reeve, born circa 1816/1817 with his mother as Mary Towler. Married 12 Oct 1801.
I'm looking for Johns father who could be Thomas Reeve of Foxley who married Elizabeth Smith at Litcham of 17 Dec 1763, or another John Reeve who married Elizabeth Hunter in Norwich on 8th Dec 1760.
I can't seem to be able to be sure of either.
The family seem to have lived around Whittington and Northwold for generations after David Reeve.
Too, when was Thomas Reeve born ? If it was Thomas of Foxley, then it was sometime in 1736. Alternatives are a Thomas of Norwich St Gregory b. 1732, Thomas of Hackford near Reepham b. 1738 or Thomas of Roydon, near Diss b. 1731.
Any help would be much appreciated. (My email address is working now).
Regards, Grahame
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Do you have Burials for these individuals to narrow down their date of birth?
And Davids M/C to confirm his Fathers name/occp?
Where in Norfolk was David born?
Trish :)
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Thanks for the quick reply. I assume the M/C means marriage certificate. Regarding the marriage cert., there is no occupation as it is a parish record only. I'm afraid I don't have death certificates for either or all.
Regards
Grahame
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Ok Bapt 1816 Northwold,
Married Susan DOCKEN 12 Oct 1838, Father JOHN a Labourer (Elizabeth Reeve a witness)
Married Ellen MANNING 16 Feb 1851, Father JOHN is deceased.
JOHN was buried 11 Jan 1848 age 71 (1777)
As John does not appear on 1851 his pob in Norfolk is not conclusively known.
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BMD records are only available post Sept 1837 when civil reg was introduced.
Only Parish Records are available if they can be found before that.
The info I provided above is on FreeREG www.freereg.org.uk.
Copies of the Parish Records of the Marriages of David are transcribed on there (by volunteers, wonderful people)
Have you done the research yourself or is the info from others Trees?
MARY Reeve was buried 03 Nov 1850 age 73 (1777)
Trish :)
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On the 1801 Marriage of John/Mary in Fincham, he was of Stow Bardolph Parish*
This may or not be important for later research.
They seem to Bapt 1st child in Fincham AMY 18 Sep 1802
Then Baptised Northwold;
HENRY 1806, buried 1815 age 9
JAMES 1811
JOHN 1813
DAVID born 1814/bapt 1814 buried 1815 age 10 (this should be 1 or 10 mths)
DAVID 27 Sep 1816 plus Twin HENRY, both born 26 Sept 1816****** (Henry buried age 4mths)
ELIZABETH/AMY/SUSAN 1818, all buried soon after (Triplets it appears all born same day)
ELIZABETH 1820
In my opinion as John/Mary do not name a Son Thomas I dont think he is likely to be Johns Father.
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Thank you for the information. I didn't know of the deaths of the children which is very helpful.
The Thomas I am looking for is John Reeve's (Snr who married Mary Towler) father; he was Thomas (or Tomas) Reeve and married an Elizabeth (Smith 1763 or Hunter 1760).
I can't work out with any degree of certainty which one it was.
Then there is the problem of which Thomas he is, as there seems to be four to choose from, born in the region between 1731 to 1738.
If my ancestor married Elizabeth Smith, then it is Thomas of Foxley who was born in 1736, but how can I know?
Thank you for your help so far. Very kind.
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I'll have a look at this later again when I have more time. :)
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Thank you
Grahame
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Since you know the baptism date of 26 August 1781 at St Andrew in West Dereham the parents are James and Elizabeth Reeve
So you need the father of James Reeve?
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John was buried 9 April 1782 at West Dereham son of James and Elizabeth.
The John Reeve you are looking for is not from West Dereham 1781
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JOHN was buried 11 Jan 1848 age 71 (1777)
As John does not appear on 1851 his pob in Norfolk is not conclusively known.
If born circa 1776/7...
Foulden is next door to Northwold, so a possibility might be the John baptized there 13 July 1777 to William and Elizabeth Reeve?
(possibly they are the William Reve and Elizabeth Sharwood who married 15 Jan 1771, same place?)
PR here with that baptism
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRX3-PTD?i=3&cc=1416598
First son to John and Mary at Northwold is William in 1804
Wm son of John Reeves + Mary his wife late Mary Towler was born Feb 17 and Rec'd into Church March 18 1804
There was also a Robert Reeve bap at Foulden to William and Elizabeth in 1781
A Robert Reeve and wife Susan (Reed) were having children baptized at Northwold at the same time as John and Mary, and they were all in the hamlet of Whittington, certainly in the later period.
But John and Mary didn't have a son Robert :(
Just an idea, something to investigate perhaps!
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JOHN was buried 11 Jan 1848 age 71 (1777)
First son to John and Mary at Northwold is William in 1804
Wm son of John Reeves + Mary his wife late Mary Towler was born Feb 17 and Rec'd into Church March 18 1804
I'm confused with Mary Towler dying 1803/1804. The IGI records show a swathe of children born to Mary Towler and John Reeve after 1804.
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Hi
She hasn't died. They are using "late" as in "formerly" when giving the maiden name of the mother.
John
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Thank you Trish and amondg.
Yes, I've done the research myself and not from others family trees.
If my John Reeve is not the one born in West Dereham due to an infant death, then I'm left with the most likely being John Reeve baptised 19 April 1778 at Little Fransham, about 6 miles west of East Dereham. The IGI records are quite positive about Mary Towler having many children to John Reeve.
Now ..
That means that his father is not Thomas Reeve of Foxley or anywhere else, and is actually William Reeve who married an Elizabeth, the most likely being Elizabeth Capes of Little Fransham in 1769.
Can anyone confirm that this is the most likely from information that may not be available to an Australian researcher. Thanking you
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If my John Reeve is not the one born in West Dereham due to an infant death, then I'm left with the most likely being John Reeve baptised 19 April 1778 at Little Fransham, about 6 miles west of East Dereham.
That means that his father is not Thomas Reeve of Foxley or anywhere else, and is actually William Reeve who married an Elizabeth, the most likely being Elizabeth Capes of Little Fransham in 1769.
Can anyone confirm that this is the most likely from information that may not be available to an Australian researcher.
Burial at Little Fransham, 25 April 1778
John son of Willm and Eliz Reeve
This is information is available to researchers anywhere, including Australia
Image of parish register on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6263-HN2?i=32&cc=1416598
You haven't explained why the John baptized at Little Fransham would have been a more likely candidate than the Foulden one?
Remember that not all Norfolk baptisms have been indexed by FamilySearch, though there may still be images available on the website.
Don't forget FreeReg, which is a good source, as demonstrated by Trish.
https://www.freereg.org.uk/
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She hasn't died. They are using "late" as in "formerly" when giving the maiden name of the mother.
Parish register entry here for baptism of William (no. 611)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6P29-N89?i=40
All the wives are late :)
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If born circa 1776/7...
Foulden is next door to Northwold, so a possibility might be the John baptized there 13 July 1777 to William and Elizabeth Reeve?
(possibly they are the William Reve and Elizabeth Sharwood who married 15 Jan 1771, same place?)
PR here with that baptism
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DRX3-PTD?i=3&cc=1416598
Thanks jonw65. Try as I might, I cannot find the index to this marriage, nor the child John of Foulden, in spite of the parish record you attached.
Someone else asked why did I pick the John Reeve of Little Fransham that was born/baptised on 6th October 1782, in spite of him being 3 years younger than Mary Towler. The reason is that all the others died, and the one suggested from Foulden of 1771 (above) cannot be found by myself.
Process of elimination was followed.
I think I probably need to close this post as we are now onto another John Reeve and his forebears.
I thank everyone for their help. I'll take advice and use Family Search and Free Reg. Bewteen them I should be able to get some idea of what is going on.
Regards to all
Grahame
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The Norfolk Family History Society has transcribed the records of Foulden
William Reve of Bechamwell married ELizabeth Sharwood of Foulden 15 January 1771 at Foulden
witness Robert Reynolds and John Capel/Capet. The witnesses signed bride and groom did not.
Children
Mary bap 24 February 1771
William bap 4 October 1772
Elizabeth bap 6 March 1774
Ann bap 5 November 1775
**JOHN bap 13 July 1777
Susannah bap 14 March 1779
Robert bap 4 March 1781
James bap 16 March 1783
Thomas bap 8 October 1786
Frances bap 16 June 1788 Buried 29 June 1788 daughter of William & Elizabeth
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Banns for the marriage were read 30 December 1770, 5 January 1771 and 13 January 1771.
Transcribed by NFHS Banns at Foulden
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Elizabeth Sharwood was baptized at Foulden daughter of Robert & Mary 19 March 1748 notes given 1749?
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Elizabeth Reeve wife of William was buried Foulden 2 July 1788 (pauper)
It would appear she died of child birth complications as her last child Frances was baptized June of 1788
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Thank you to everyone who has helped me, especially amondg.
I have now joined the Norfolk Family History Society and will continue my research there.
This post will now be closed.