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Title: William (Kaye) PARKINS, Born 1846, Liverpool
Post by: BAC3 on Wednesday 29 July 20 21:04 BST (UK)
Hello,

William (Kaye) PARKINS, the son of Charles Parkins (died 1850) and Emma PARKINS (nee KAYE), was born c1846 Liverpool (Everton?).   Other than a short 18 month holiday in Parkhurst Prison 03/1862 to 09/1863, and the 1851 England Census (HO107/2189/415, p.6), I have been unable to find further details.

Can anyone help please ??? ::)

Thank you,

BAC3
Title: Re: William (Kaye) PARKINS, Born 1846, Liverpool
Post by: bevo on Thursday 30 July 20 12:01 BST (UK)

There's a William PAGE Parkins in 1861 age 15 with mother Emma and siblings in Chaucer Place Liverpool. Maybe a mistranscription Page/Kaye ?



https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59034d96e9379091b14a9b89/wm-page-parkins-1861-lancashire-st-martin-1846-?locale=en
Title: Re: William (Kaye) PARKINS, Born 1846, Liverpool
Post by: BAC3 on Thursday 30 July 20 14:10 BST (UK)
Good Afternoon bevo,

I think you may be absolutely right.......the "Kaye" was extracted from a very limited, and now misleading, Public Member Tree (no sources!!).....according to his prison records in 1862 he was a "Shop Boy" as per the 1861 Census so more confirmation.

Thank you for your help.

BAC3
Title: Re: William (Kaye) PARKINS, Born 1846, Liverpool
Post by: heatherjulie on Friday 31 July 20 06:50 BST (UK)
From GRO

William Parkins birth registered in 1846 Liverpool, mother's maiden name given as MCKELVEY
Title: Re: William (Kaye) PARKINS, Born 1846, Liverpool
Post by: heywood on Friday 31 July 20 07:29 BST (UK)
Quote from: heatherjulie on Friday 31 July 20 06:50 BST (UK)
From GRO

William Parkins birth registered in 1846 Liverpool, mother's maiden name given as MCKELVEY

That looks to be a different family.
1851 2181/672/9

William and Frances Parkins with children including William.

Charles Parkins and Emma Kaye married April 1841 @ St Philips, Liverpool.

Emma Parkins b 1847 mmn Keye

I can’t see a birth for William
Title: Re: William (Kaye) PARKINS, Born 1846, Liverpool
Post by: BAC3 on Friday 31 July 20 10:12 BST (UK)
Good Morning heatherjulie and heywood,

Thank you both for your help.

I believe I have the correct family, confirmed by the prison documentation, but there are so many detail variations.   For instance, the 1861 England Census (RG9/2650/165, p.165) has the mother's Christian name transcribed as Jane (??).   However, the remaining family details are consistent.

I shall keep searching 8) ::)

BAC3
Title: Re: William (Kaye) PARKINS, Born 1846, Liverpool
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 31 July 20 10:21 BST (UK)
Quote
For instance, the 1861 England Census (RG9/2650/165, p.165) has the mother's Christian name transcribed as Jane (??)

It's not easy to read! But definitely ends in an "a".
Title: Re: William (Kaye) PARKINS, Born 1846, Liverpool
Post by: BAC3 on Friday 31 July 20 14:40 BST (UK)



Thank you ShaunJ.......I agree.
Title: Re: William (Kaye) PARKINS, Born 1846, Liverpool
Post by: ShaunJ on Friday 31 July 20 14:57 BST (UK)
Have you seen the press reports of the remand and committal proceedings in January and February 1862?

I haven't yet found a report of the May 1862 trial.
Title: Re: William (Kaye) PARKINS, Born 1846, Liverpool
Post by: BAC3 on Friday 31 July 20 15:56 BST (UK)
Hello ShaunJ,

Yes..... I have the full report of the Liverpool Police Court proceedings, courtesy of The Liverpool Mercury, thankfully ::)......the formal prison documentation persists in calling him "Michael" whereas the report correctly uses "Nicholas"!!

BAC3
Title: Re: William (Kaye) PARKINS, Born 1846, Liverpool
Post by: BAC3 on Friday 31 July 20 16:09 BST (UK)
Hello ShaunJ,

I am sorry if I confused you mentioning "Michael" and "Nicholas", but Nicholas FITZPATRICK a
co-defendant is also part of my research of juveniles committed to Parkhurst Prison, as is William PARKINS 8)

Incidentally, I have contacted "Owners" of Public Member Trees for both FITZPATRICK and PARKINS who had no idea of their criminal backgrounds, although the PARKINS Tree has very little detail anyway.

BAC3