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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: DKing on Wednesday 24 August 05 20:31 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find any pictures of the Walker family of Eatwood hall, Eastwood Notts, they were partners in the Barber walker mines around the area, late 18thc early 19thc the lived in Bilborough, I would like any pics of Thomas 1850s-1871, Geaorge before then, or any pics if possible of Eastwood Hall interior, (old pics),
thanks
Dave k
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Hi
Try the following link.
http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/
Also if you Google Eastwood Hall it is now a conference centre and wedding venue. The website gives a vitual tour inside.
Jane
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I worked at Eastwood hall in 1960's when it belonged to NCB-will send you a PM
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Message from you was just my message returned!!!I have old pictures of Eastwood Hall-and some History- Eastwood Hall was acquired by the Walker family from the Plumptres, with George Walker listed as "Llord of the Manor" and living at Eastwood Hall in 1832 Trade director. His daughter Mabel Zoe inherited the estates when she was left an orphan at two years old. After her marriage in early 1900s she spent little time at the Hall and it was aquired by Barber Walker company in 1916 when they made it their head office,then it became offices for NCB No 5 Area, then British Coal and is now Hayley Conference centre. During WW1 it was used for a time as a convalescent home for Belgian Officers-during WW2 the stables(no longer used for horses) were used for storing dried food. I have a few pics-one old one when the lake was still in existence. Try to PM me for more info
Suz
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Thanks, I never knew it was used during the war as it was, I have the pic with the lake but any others would be appreciated, I have all the other info but thanks for the info about the war.
Dave King
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Hello - I realiseI am responding to a very old post - but are you an expert on the Walkers? I'm doing some research on Rhinefield in the New Forest, which is the house Mabel Zoe Walker built with the family money after marrying Edward Lionel Munro in 1887, when she was 21. I assume this is when she gained control of the estate from the trustees. I'm trying to solve the riddle of her parents' death though. Thomas Walker died in 1871, aged 25 though I'm not sure of what (I can order his death cert I guess). He had married a girl called Eleanor Glew Bourne in London in Q4 1865 when he was 19 and she was only 14. Mabel was born on July 30th 1866. The 1871 census (taken in late April) shows Thomas and Eleanor still living at Eastwood Hall - though Thomas then died on 11th May. By then, Mabel had already been shipped off to Thomas's Aunt Frances in Bushey Park (Teddington, Middlesex). The census records Eleanor as having been born in Notts in 1851 - though there is no record of an Eleanor Bourne's birth in Notts between 1850 and 1852. There is an Eleanor Glew in Radford in 1851, and another unnamed female Glew in Basford (registration district for Eastwood) also in 1851. This is perhaps the most likely entry, though I do not know how or why she acquired the maiden name 'Bourne' in that case. It is a mystery, because after the 1871 census Eleanor disappears. I cannot find any record of her death but, as I have found several references to Mabel being an orphan, presumably she did. Do you by any chance know what happened to her?
Kind regards
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Hello.... :)
Welcome to Rootschat.
It is an old post but hopefully one of the original posters will see this.
But while you are waiting here is a start with some clues.....
Baptism at NOTTINGHAM St Mary
ELEANOR GLEW - 4th June 1851 - mother Sarah Ann Glew, abode Park Row, occupation Cap Maker.
Marriage at Radford St Peter - 19th January 1854
RICHARD CARMICHAEL BOURNE & SARAH ANNE GLEW
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1861 - RG09 piece 2453 folio 91 page 2 - Shakespeare St, Nottingham
Richard Carmichael Bourne, Head. aged 37 - Surgeon Licentiate Of R C Surgeons - born Dublin
Sarah Ann Bourne, wife, aged 28, Surgeons wife - born Nottingham
Elenor Bourne, dau, age 10 - born Nottingham
plus medical student; apprentice and servant
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Just for confirmation....
Baptism at Eastwood, St Mary - 2nd September 1866
MABEL ZOE, dau of Thomas & Eleonore - abode Eastwood, profession Esquire.
Burial at Eastwood St Mary - 18th May 1871
Thomas Walker, abode Eastwood, aged 25
I can't see anything for Eleanor at the minute....
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Ah - fantastic, thank you - that all fits. She was born Eleanor Glew (poss single mother?) then her mother subsequently married Richard Bourne so she become Eleanor Glew Bourne. So, just need to find out what happened to her when her husband died and the Walkers left Eastwood.
There are a couple of other surnames kicking about. Thomas's mother Emma's maiden name was Crawford. The Crawfords came from Ayrshire. There were three sisters, Emma, Julia and Frances. It was Frances that Mabel was living with in Teddington when Thomas died. By 1881, Mabel had returned to Nottingham, to Sneinton Hollows Manor House, to live with Susan Davidson who is described a cousin. She was the widow of James Davidson who was one of the executors of Thomas Walker's will.
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Here you go..... :)
Nottinghamshire Guardian - Friday, February 18, 1876
Marriage
On the 11th December last at St George's, Hanover Square.
Alexander Stuart Harrington, Esq, late Rifle Brigade.
To ELEANORE, widow of the late Thomas Walker, Esq, Eastwood Hall, Notts, and only daughter of the late Richard Carmichael Bourne, Esq, formerly of the 3rd Dragoon Guards. No Cards.
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Poor Eleanor she is a widow again by 1881... RG11/Piece 1058/Folio 67/Page 8 - East Grinstead
The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent - Saturday, September 07, 1878
Deaths
HARRINGTON - Sept 2nd, at The Beeches, East Grinstead of inflammation of the lungs, late Lieutenant Rifle Brigade, and Captain 2nd Royal Lancashire Militia.
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It get's more and more intriguing! So Mabel was not an orphan at all - for some reason her mother was side-lined. She did not inherit the Walker fortune when Thomas died and her 4 year-old daughter was taken away from her (or she abandoned her). Eleanor's name was then Harrington - which explains why I could not find a record of her death. And was she actually the daughter of Richard Bourne, or not? I do not yet have the exact date yet of her marriage to Thomas Walker but it was between 7 and 10 months from the birth of Mabel and it seemed odd that the wedding was in London when Thomas and Eleanor were both from Nottingham.
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I have found an Emma Harrington who died in Kensington in 1912, aged 61. Could that be her?
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It looks like the Susan Davidson you mentioned is linked to Mabel through her mother Eleanor's second marriage to Alexander Stuart Harrington and so Susan Davidson is his sister.
The Caledonian Mercury (Edinburgh, Scotland), Friday, October 20, 1865
Marriage
DAVIDSON - HARRINGTON - At Torrance Lodge, on the 17th inst, by the Very Rev. Dean Henderson.
JAMES DAVIDSON Esq, Major 1st Inniskilling Dragoons, to SUSAN, only daughter of the late Robert HARRINGTON, Esq of Terrance Lodge, co Lanark, and granddaughter of the late Sir John Harrington, Bart, of Ridlington, co Rutland.
There is a tantalising snippet here = Burke's Peerage Limited, 1914
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lfo/
I can see it mentioning Alexander Stuart (Harrington) marrying Elinor widow of Thomas Walker of Eastwood Hall... then underneath mentions Susan m 16th Oct 1865 James Davidson
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Presumably Thomas Walker and James Davidson were friends or business colleagues (hence James's appointment as executor for Thomas). Eleanor must have met her second husband through Susan, his wife. Whether Mabel ever lived with her mother and Alexander Harrington after they married in 1876 we do not know - but by 1881 Mabel is living with Sarah, whose husband and brother are both dead. Odd that Mabel is described in the 1881 census as a cousin of Susan. Surely your brother's step-daughter would normally be described as a niece. Thank you so much for all your help!
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You are welcome.... I think there will be lots more for you to discover.
I was surprised to see Thomas Walker married Eleanor in 1865 at St Martin in the Field, she was very young?!
There is the probate entry for Alexander Stuart Harington/Harrington on Ancestry, it does name Eleanor as his widow and one of the Executors.
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Right!
You have most facts correct, I have been tracing the Walker and Walker-Munro's for 20 years and Ellinor /Eleanore (So many different spellings ) was the daughter of RC Bourne and yes she did marry Alexander Stuart Harington, and yes Mabel was never an orphan, I have never found any records of Ellinor after Alexander died, Susan Davidson was Alexanders brother and the crawford family mentioned was spelled Crawfurd, Mabel did marry E L Munro of Rhinefield she had a 250,000 trust fund when she married and her father left an estate of 120,000 pounds in 1871 so very wealthy family, if anyone has any Questions re the family just ask, so much to tell that I would be writing page after page so anything specific let me know, I intend writing a book on the family and have had help from the living family so anyone want to help in writing it also let me know as I have all the info but never had time to write it down.
Dave K
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Hello.... :)
Ellinor /Eleanore (So many different spellings ) was the daughter of RC Bourne
According to the baptism record it implies she was illegitimate as only her mother's name is recorded as Sarah Ann Glew, I think Richard Bourne took her on as his own when he and her mother married.
Births Mar 1851
GLEW Eleanor - Radford 15 697
Marriage at Radford St Peter - 19th January 1854
RICHARD CARMICHAEL BOURNE & SARAH ANNE GLEW
I have never found any records of Ellinor after Alexander died
There was one thing that I thought was a really weird coincidence...... was this marriage....
Harington Eleanore - Kensington 1a 298
One of the grooms was a Herbert Thomas EDWARDS and then finding that in 1881 Eleanor was in the household of an Edward's family and one of their son's was a Herbert Thomas Edwards.
1881 - RG11/1058 / 67 / 8 - Ashhurst Wood, East Grinstead, Sussex
Herbert Thomas Edwards is only 21 and given as single and Eleanor Harrington a widow, aged 30 and a Lady.
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Dave - thanks so much for the offer to answer questions.
Yes - I also found the 1881 census record where Eleanor Harrington was a boarder in the Edwards household in East Grinstead. I did find the death of an Eleanor Harrington (born in 1851) in Kensington in 1912. (I said it was Emma Harrington in my earlier post yesterday - but it IS Eleanor) However that would not make as much sense if she married Herbert Thomas Edwards. I will try to check out that possible marriage.
I do have one question about Rhinefield. I did not think this belonged to the Munro family when Mabel and Edward married (although it might have) because they were from Lindertis in Scotland (Edward Lionel was the brother of the famous Munro who climbed all the mountains) and had a house in Eaton Square in London, where they can be found in the census records. Histories of Rhinefield say that it was given to Mabel by her father when she married - but it belonged to the Crown until 1877 by which time, as we know, her father was dead. Could it have been bought by his executors as an investment I wonder and passed to her when she gained control of her inheritance?
Do you know what happened to Mabel between 1871 and 1887 when she married? I only have those two fixed points of the 1871 and 1881 census records.
Do you know the exact date of Eleanor's marriage to Thomas Walker in 1865? What was the cause of Thomas's death? Given how wealthy they were, why did Eleanor not remain at Eastwood Hall to bring up Mabel?
Any help with this would be much appreciated. I was not intending to write a book about the Walkers - but having visited Rhinefield (now a hotel) I was fascinated by the story of the original owners, particularly Mabel, and wanted to find out more. I think there is enough material for a book though!
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I checked out the Eleanore Harington marriage - but it was in 1880 - so does not fit with the 1881 census record as she and Herbert would have been married by then. Unless they married secretly!
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Eleanor Harrington (born in 1851) in Kensington in 1912
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I am guessing you mean this death?
Deaths Sep 1912
HARRINGTON Eleanor - aged 61 - Kensington 1a 137
This Eleanor can be found on the census before her death in Kensington with her 25 year old daughter - but she gives her birthplace as Cumberland.
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OK thanks - that's probably not relevant then
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Dave: I have photos for you of Rhinefield House but have lost touch with you. Can you contact me?
Alexandra
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Hi Alex,
Welcome to RootsChat.
I am very sorry but we too have lost contact with Dave, sadly his emails are no longer working :'(
Regards
Sarah