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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: ALewis on Friday 24 July 20 16:08 BST (UK)
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Just wondering if anybody has heard of a place called Elverson in Derbyshire please?
My 6x great grandparents Henry Rogers and Mary Foster married 12th October 1763 in Brailsford by banns. Henry was of this parish and Mary of Elverson.
I have the baptism/parents of Henry but am struggling to find the baptism/parents of Mary.
Thank you in advance for any help or advice. :-)
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There is a place called Elvaston - according to Genuki.
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Looks like she was baptised (if it was her) at Elvaston on 1 Aug 1736 - parents Thomas and Dorothy.
(Derbyshire baptisms on Ancestry - filmed record).
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Hi Pennines,
Thank you for having a look at this, much appreciated.
I wondered if it was Elvaston and the 1736 baptism. There is a Mary Foster marrying a Henry Daniel, 2nd August 1769 in Elvaston. If this is the Mary baptised in 1736, she would be about 33 when she married.
Can't be sure which marriage is the correct one for Mary baptised in 1736.
Thanks again,
ALewis
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What did they name their children? For instance was a daughter named Dorothy by any chance (ie after Mary's mother). That wasn't a hugely common name.
Was Mary much older than her husband? I note you found his baptism.
I don't suppose there's any ages on burial records -- that would be far too handy wouldn't it!
I'm just making the evening meal -- so haven't time to check your query at the minute - but I'll see if I can find anything later, unless some super sleuth has found other evidence.
Regards Pennines
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When do you have Henry Rogers baptised please
There is one baptised in Brailsford on 18. 7. 1734 -father Henry. So if he is the Henry from Brailsford who married your Mary - he was a couple of years older than her.
As for children I can only see Mary in 1765, William in 1767 and Jenny in 1770.
(Jenny may have been Jane as a Jane Rogers, daughter of Henry died in 1794 aged 24.)
Hence no daughter named Dorothy so bang goes that theory.
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A Mary Rogers was buried in Brailsford, aged 80 on Oct 30th 1816 -- hence a birth year of c.1736.
So that could be your Mary. Looks like Henry was buried in 1812, Brailsford - age shown as either 76 or 78 I (couldn't make it out0.
On the basis of ages at death and the baptism years of Henry and Mary being only 2 years apart - there is a very good chance that the Mary baptised in 1736 in Elvaston was the one who married Henry baptised in 1734 -- as per the marriage record. Especially in view of the location and age at death of Mary Rogers.
That's just my opinion though.
Regards Pennines
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Hi Pennines,
Thank you for supplying this extra information. I was just about to supply further details but you beat me to it!
I have Jenny, William and Mary (my 5x great grandmother) as their children.
Thank you for for confirming the burials for Mary and Henry Rogers. Henry being baptised in 1734 in Brailsford, is what I have on my tree. His burial of 1812 fits with that baptism.
I hadn't seen Mary's burial until you mentioned it, that's very useful thank you. The fact her age was given as 80 in 1816 (birth about 1736), looks quite good for the 1736 Elvaston baptism.
I have also found a marriage licence for Henry Daniel and Mary Foster in 1769. This Mary Foster was a widow aged 50, born about 1719. So she definitely wasn't born 1736.
Based on all the extra information you have provided, I do believe that Mary baptised in 1736, Elvaston is very likely the correct one.
Many thanks for your help, It's very much appreciated. :-)
Kindest regards,
ALewis
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I am so pleased if I have helped in some small way.
As you have Derbyshire ancestors - are you aware of the website 'Yesterdays Journey'? Please forgive me if you are -- but it's worth mentioning if you aren't! It's all about Derbyshire ancestry.
You never know - it may come in useful at some point (I love the title!)
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm
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You've definitely helped! It was very useful having a fresh pair of eyes looking at it.
It looks like Thomas Foster married Dorothy Harvey in 1725 in Denby, Derbyshire. I have found some wills for the Harvey family back to the early 1600s this evening!
This entire branch of my family has been very interesting. Mary Rogers (my 5x great grandmother and daughter of Mary Foster) and her husband John Marsh are common ancestors on a DNA test. They are vital as they helped me to prove the biological father of my illegitimate great grandmother!
I have been able to get several of my great great grandfather's line back to the 1700s. This is the first branch of his that I have pushed back to the 1600s! I am absolutely thrilled! :-)
John Marsh is another mystery too, but that's for another day.
Thank you for telling me about the Yesterday's Journeys' website. It has been very useful for my research over the last few years. Any resources or websites you can recommend is very appreciated.
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Oh Wow -- how good that you have found an old Will. Sometimes they can be like gold dust.
I have no Derbyshire ancestors - and I cannot remember how I found out about Yesterdays Journey. I only thought I would mention it because I knew it was Derbyshire related.
Good Luck with the remainder of your research!
Regards Pennines
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There is also an Alvaston in Derby and quite close to Elvaston.hope this helps
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Hi MandieMac,
Thank you for mentioning about Alvaston, I will definitely bear this in mind with with my research. :-)
Kindest regards,
ALewis
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Hi Pennines,
I do feel very lucky with accessing these early wills, certainly makes all the difference!
Thanks again,
ALewis