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Title: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: tmp48 on Saturday 18 July 20 16:37 BST (UK)
John F Carey born Douglas, Cork he was born at his auntie's house by all accounts.
John F Carey died 2016 in Plymouth. 

I'm trying to help is widow Mary to trace his family for her. 

Jack as he was known as and his widow Mary were great friends of myself and my husband.
They had 2 children a daughter now married and a son who are both alive and well.  The 2 children live in different parts of England now.

So, any Carey's on here that had a brother or cousin know as Jack Carey that can help?
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Saturday 18 July 20 16:41 BST (UK)
Does your friend have a year of birth?
Have you looked for a birth in the indexes?
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Saturday 18 July 20 16:44 BST (UK)
Have you any idea what age he was when he died in 2016?

KG
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Saturday 18 July 20 17:04 BST (UK)
From the info you have given, there is a John F Carey b 1946, Cork with mmn Lynch.
Your friend might have a father’s name from the marriage certificate, if not she should purchase it so you know you are on the right track.
There is a marriage to go with both those names and it is in the right area.
That is all supposition on my part though.

You can look for marriages here
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/captcha.jsp

Gather all the information you can.
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: tmp48 on Saturday 18 July 20 17:57 BST (UK)
I'm waiting for Mary to come back to me with her marriage certificate details  so hopefully she can give me Jack's father's name. I've also asked if Jack had any brothers and sisters.  Just waiting for her to get back to me.

Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: tmp48 on Saturday 18 July 20 19:00 BST (UK)
I've got all the details to trace Jack's family backwards now from Jack's widow.
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Saturday 18 July 20 19:07 BST (UK)
That’s great.
Good luck
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: tmp48 on Saturday 18 July 20 22:33 BST (UK)
That’s great.
Good luck

Thanks, I think I'm going to need all the luck in the world!
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Saturday 18 July 20 22:41 BST (UK)
If you have his father’s name, you can search for a marriage.
Then go back - check with census etc.
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: tmp48 on Wednesday 22 July 20 16:41 BST (UK)
Well I still can't find Jacks' father's Birth registration! Given as 12 Dec 1909 on his Death Registration  below.

England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name:   Christopher Carey
Death Age:   68
Birth Date:   12 Dec 1909
Registration Date:   Apr 1978
[May 1978]
[Jun 1978]
Registration Quarter:   Apr-May-Jun
Registration district:   Plymouth
Inferred County:   Devon
Volume:   21
Page:   1782

Christopher Carey was the eldest of 12 children born in either Limerick or Cork according to the family history.  ???


Marriage 27 June 1942 at RC Church Douglas, Co. Cork
Christopher Carey Full Age, Bachelor, Naval Rating of Balliureskig or Ballinreshig.
Father John Carey, Labourer
Spouse: Mary Anne Lynch, Full age, Spinster Full Age, Housekeeper of Douglas W. Father John Lynch, Labourer. Witts:. John Carey & Eva? Lynch
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Wednesday 22 July 20 17:13 BST (UK)

Christopher Carey was the eldest of 12 children born in either Limerick or Cork according to the family history.  ???

Marriage 27 June 1942 at RC Church Douglas, Co. Cork
Christopher Carey Full Age, Bachelor, Naval Rating of Balliureskig or Ballinreshig.
Father John Carey, Labourer
Spouse: Mary Anne Lynch, Full age, Spinster Full Age, Housekeeper of Douglas W. Father John Lynch, Labourer. Witts:. John Carey & Eva? Lynch


It's likely to be the townland of Ballinreeshig, south of the suburb of Douglas in Cork city.
https://www.townlands.ie/cork/kerrycurrihy/killanully/carrigaline/ballinreeshig/

A correct birth record for Christopher Carey also still eludes me.

KG

Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Wednesday 22 July 20 22:06 BST (UK)
  Carey was the eldest of 12 children born in either Limerick or Cork according to the family history.  ???

Does anyone in the family have names of any aunties or uncles?
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: tmp48 on Wednesday 22 July 20 22:50 BST (UK)
  Carey was the eldest of 12 children born in either Limerick or Cork according to the family history.  ???

Does anyone in the family have names of any aunties or uncles?

I've asked Jack's widow if she can ask Jack's only sibling if he remembers the names of his aunts and uncles.  Jacks widow met a few of them in both Limerick & Cork but as she met so many all in one day she can't remember who was married to whom!
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: tmp48 on Thursday 23 July 20 14:37 BST (UK)
New information : Jack's Father Christopher Carey was born in Croome near Limerick

Anyone know where that is and will it lead me to find his birth certificate?

Regards...Teresa
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 23 July 20 14:48 BST (UK)
Just Croom, no e on the end.
https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Thursday 23 July 20 14:58 BST (UK)
Croom, Co Limerick
https://tinyurl.com/yxl2uzbu

KG
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 23 July 20 14:59 BST (UK)
There is a Carey family in Croom town in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Croom/Main_Street/1488863/
can't see them in 1911
Via the daughter Mary's marriage 1906
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10120/5682288.pdf
I believe this is the Carey's in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Croom/Main_Street/617529/
Looking at the original I don't know where they got the l from!

Not that it helps find Christopher :-\
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: tmp48 on Thursday 23 July 20 16:59 BST (UK)
Christopher Carey, Father John Carey according to his marriage certificate but could have been his brother maybe.

These are the names that Jack's widow and Jack's brother have come up with.

"However here are the names that we do know".
Mary: 
Peggy Dawes:
Hannah she died in 2002.
Agnes:
Eileen:
Noreen:
Teresa:

Then the males:

Christopher:
Michael:
Timothy:
John:
Edward (called Eddie).
12 in total
 
I've searched for all of these names and there are loads for each.

What a nightmare Surname to research!!!

Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Thursday 23 July 20 17:02 BST (UK)
Just to note:

There is a birth of Christopher Fitzgerald , Croom Workhouse, with mother Eliza Fitzgerald.
Birthdate is 12th December 1909.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01587/1638555.pdf
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Sinann on Thursday 23 July 20 17:28 BST (UK)
Did Hannah die in Ireland?

Nice find heywood
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: tmp48 on Thursday 23 July 20 22:48 BST (UK)
Just to note:

There is a birth of Christopher Fitzgerald , Croom Workhouse, with mother Eliza Fitzgerald.
Birthdate is 12th December 1909.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01587/1638555.pdf

Well that looks like it could well be our Christopher!  Possibly someone in the Carey family brought him up as he state's his father was John Carey on his marriage certificate.....but again so many John Carey's to choose from!
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Thursday 23 July 20 23:21 BST (UK)
It is only a possibility - could be just coincidence but worth noting just in case. I have looked for Fitzgerald/Carey marriages but can’t see anything.
You gave a list of siblings for Christopher. Do you know if they stayed in Ireland?
Is Dawes the married surname of Peggy?
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: tmp48 on Thursday 23 July 20 23:54 BST (UK)
It is only a possibility - could be just coincidence but worth noting just in case. I have looked for Fitzgerald/Carey marriages but can’t see anything.
You gave a list of siblings for Christopher. Do you know if they stayed in Ireland?
Is Dawes the married surname of Peggy?

I don't think Jacks' widow or his brother know if they all stayed in Ireland.  I did ask Jack's widow if the family knew if any emigrated but I don't think they knew anything more that was in the list of names.  I assume that  Peggy Dawes was her married Surname. 
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Friday 24 July 20 06:43 BST (UK)
Hopefully, more than a possibility:

The Irish civil marriage indexes show that Percy J Dawes and Margaret Carey are on the same page - September quarter 1950, Cork, Vol 5
Peggy is a shortened version of Margaret

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTRP-23Y

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTR5-T6D

Using the same search - Ireland Civil Registration Index
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347

You can search for children using mother’s name too. There are three children showing Dawes/Carey

As you know, we can’t post their names as they could still be living.
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 July 20 07:13 BST (UK)
I saw a death of a Hannah McLoughlin nee Carey in 2002 but she had a sister Attracta

Margaret Dawes died 11 Nov 1985, 23 Friars Walk Cork. Percy 2 sons 2 Daughters. St.Josrph's Cemetery.
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Friday 24 July 20 08:34 BST (UK)
I thought ‘Friars Walk’ sounded familiar .
I saw this death last evening -
1944
John Carey, 67 yrs, married Labourer of 36 Friars Walk.
informant son, Timothy of 34 Friars Walk.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1944/04646/4235144.pdf
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 July 20 09:13 BST (UK)
I thought ‘Friars Walk’ sounded familiar .
I saw this death last evening -
1944
John Carey, 67 yrs, married Labourer of 36 Friars Walk.
informant son, Timothy of 34 Friars Walk.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1944/04646/4235144.pdf

Beloved husband of Margaret. St.Joseph's Cemetery
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Friday 24 July 20 09:15 BST (UK)
Margaret’s death - although age might be out
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1945/04616/4224459.pdf
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Friday 24 July 20 09:19 BST (UK)
Of course, these may be the wrong Careys  :-\
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 July 20 09:34 BST (UK)
Her death notice doesn't give her maiden name, pity.
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Sinann on Friday 24 July 20 15:25 BST (UK)
This one sounds interesting

Carey (Cork) Jan 7 1967 at St Finbarr's hospital, John beloved husband of the late Ann Carey and formerly of Ballinresig, Ballygarvan and 23 Friar's Walk. Deeply mourned by loving sons and daughters etc
St Joseph's Cemetery.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1967/04209/4075996.pdf

Looks like Ann/Annie died suddenly in 1 Dec 1957, death notice doesn't give any family names
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1957/04385/4139455.pdf
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Friday 24 July 20 16:41 BST (UK)
So, we have deaths

1944
John Carey , 67 yrs (born about 1877) 36 Friars Walk with son Timothy at 34 Friars  WalK with wife Margaret


1967
John Carey , 85 yrs (born abt 1882) 23 Friars Walk. With wife Ann/ie.

Margaret Dawes also 23 Friars Walk.

This one seems more favourable with link to Ballinresig and Peggy Dawes.
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Friday 24 July 20 16:57 BST (UK)
From
http://www.cigo.ie/pages/guide-to-wills-and-administrations/
Carey John 1967
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01pr4/
Looks like P for probate.
Grantee: Margaret Dawes

KG


 
 
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Friday 24 July 20 16:58 BST (UK)
That’s very useful KG and might confirm the link. :)
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: tmp48 on Friday 24 July 20 17:25 BST (UK)
Gosh, you have been busy locating all this additional information! 
I shall have to take note of it all later on as I'm just about to start our tea.
Thank you all so much.
Regards...Teresa
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Dawes1 on Friday 23 July 21 09:04 BST (UK)
Hi,

Its wiered i came accross this discussion, my grandmother and grandfather (Dawes) lived on friars walk (i think no.23). My Grandmother also owned a cottage in Ballinreesig. Im unsure of her maiden name but I'll try to find out.
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: heywood on Friday 23 July 21 10:40 BST (UK)
Hello and welcome Dawes1  :)

I just took a quick look, is this a relative?
Percy Dawes, 57 yrs, 23 Friars Walk died in 1946
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1946/04606/4220773.pdf

If you haven’t used that site, it is free, you just have to follow the ‘robot’ instructions and sign in.
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Chelle71 on Tuesday 03 May 22 10:55 BST (UK)
Hi All

Im doing Carey reserch from Cork in Ireland , not recent research though so this information on this post is a little recent for me .

All of my Careys come from Cork and just wondered if anyone had the same connection ?

KR

Chelle
Title: Re: Carey - John F born Douglas, Cork
Post by: Loco1304 on Wednesday 12 April 23 22:38 BST (UK)
I’m also a grandchild of Margaret Carey & Percy Dawes of 23 friars walk. Margaret Carey’s Father lived in the cottage in ballinreeshig until he went to live with my grandmother in 23 friars walk.