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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: bugbear on Monday 13 July 20 09:03 BST (UK)
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I have a married couple, and their 7 children; Samuel Powell married Annie Wheeler in 1886, Kensington (FreeBMD).
I have found 7 children in all (mainly via GRO records), and I have 5 baptism certificates (Ancestry) I have their 1891 census (Class: RG12; Piece: 25; Folio: 165; Page: 38) showing them at 20 Lonsdale Rd, Notting Hill, but baptisms shows them at 10 Munro Mews, Golborne after mid 1891.
I have found some later evidence that at least some of the children survived.
On the 1891 census Samuel and Annie claim to be born 1865, in Marylebone.
But I cannot find ANY 1901 or 1911 census for either Samuel and Annie,
nor any of their children.
Any and all help welcomed (children details appended)
BugBear
1F Powell, Annie Ethel
Birth 1886-12-22 Kensington, London,
2F Powell, Mabel
Birth about 1888-06-00 Paddington, London,
3M Powell, William John Samuel
Birth 1889-07-29 Kensington, London,
Middlesex, England
Death about 1889-12-00 Kensington, London,
Middlesex, England
4F Powell, Florence Jannetta Edith
Birth 1891-05-11 Kensington, London,
Middlesex, England
Death about 1978-09-00 London, Surrey, England
5M Powell, Harry Edward
Birth 1893-03-27 Notting Hill, Middlesex,
England
Death about 1907-06-00 Paddington, London,
Middlesex, England
6F Powell, Georgina Frances
Birth about 1896-06-00 Kensington, London,
Middlesex, England
Death about 1932-12-00 Paddington, London,
Middlesex, England
7M Powell, George William
Birth about 1904-03-00 Kensington, London,
Middlesex, England
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Have you got the marriage cert which would clarify their ages, hopefully
LM
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Have you got the marriage cert which would clarify their ages, hopefully
LM
No - which is surprising to me, since Ancestry has good coverage of London parishes (hence the baptism certs).
BugBear
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possible Marriage for
Ethel Annie Powell aged 20 address Westbourne Terr North
20/10/1907,St Mary Magdalene
father Samuel, not shown as "dec"
to Charles Henry Weekly 27 of Cirencester St, neat to St Mary Magdalene church
Witnesses Annie Newbold and ? Newbold
No joy so far
LM
PS, no Mabel on 1891 ?
Did Samuel die 1896?
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possible Marriage for
Ethel Annie Powell aged 20 address Westbourne Terr North
20/10/1907,St Mary Magdalene
father Samuel, not shown as "dec"
to Charles Henry Weekly 27 of Cirencester St, neat to St Mary Magdalene church
That's pretty much a perfect hit. Thank you. I will look into "Westbourne Terr North".
No joy so far
LM
PS, no Mabel on 1891 ?
Did Samuel die 1896?
No, Mabel is NOT on the 1891 census, not can I find a death in FreeBMD.
I hope Samuel was still alive in 1896, since George William Powell was born in 1904. :-)
BugBear
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Ok, back to the drawing board
Who were the Newbolds then?
LM
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I've just been (out of optimism) chasing them.
They appear to be father and daughter;
In 1901 (RG13/27/140 p 31), Edward and his new wife Hannah, are living with their children Fanny and Annie at 6 Lonsdale rd;
This is "of some interest" since Samuel and Annie Powell were at 20, Lonsdale Rd, for at least the period 1889-1891.
In 1911 Annie is a cook, lodging at what looks like a boarding house, 4 St Stephens Square, Westbourne Park.
EDIT; the 1891 census (RG12/25/167 p 42) is more helpful.
It looks like Edward F Newbold, the father, is 37, Hannah is 26 (so the 1901 is "odd"), and Annie has a brother, Edward S Newbold.
The address is still 6 Lonsdale.
So - I don't think the Newbolds are "important", but I believe their presence confirms beyond dispute that this is "our" Annie Ethel.
BugBear
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They are very evasive
LM
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They are very evasive
LM
Agreed. Bizarrely so.
BTW, I've found Annie Ethel Weekly's death in 1983. That's late enough that the record has a precise birth date, which matches that given on the baptism cert.
BugBear
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She lived a good age, did think I would find her on the unmentionable census perhaps with or near her parents, but not so far
Ethel should also be on 1939
LM
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Did you look on 1939 for George and Annie?
LM
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Did you look on 1939 for George and Annie?
LM
No, I haven't yet - The most important people to me are Samuel and Anne - Annie Ethel is only important as a clue (now that I know she should be present) to find them. Conversely, I know that some of the children died, so I can't use them to find Sam & Anne.
I'll fill in "peripheral" data later.
BugBear
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What about a birth for Samuel, I did find one but will leave it to you for me to either agree or disagree, problem is sometimes there are to many suggestions to confuse people, so if you find a birth please let me know
LM
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Have you considered there is a Powell marriage to Wheeler with a child Martha baptised in 1890, no date of birth shown, I don't think Mabel belonged to Samuel
LM
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Are they not are at 20 Lonsdale Road, Kensington, in 1901?
piece 27 folio 138 page 27
Charles Lewis Head 32 Cabman
Annie Lewis Wife 32 Laundress
Florrie Powell Step daug 9
Harry Powell do (Step daug !!) 8
Kate Powell Step daug 5
Ada Lewis Daughter 2
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X94W-GXM
LEWIS, ADA SELINA
Mother's Maiden Surname: POWELL
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 128
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Marriage 1899 St John Nottinghill
Charles Lewis aged 30 of 1 bulmer place
To
Annie Powell aged 32 widow same address father james Wheeler
LM
Well done John
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And well done with the marriage, LM!
I guess that if it is the right Ada, mother's maiden name should really be Wheeler.
Possible death?
Dec 1896 Paddington 1a 51
Powell, Samuel
age 32
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Let's hope Bugbear comes back to us
B didn't think that was the correct death 1896 as their was a child born 1904, haven't double checked this birth, there was another marriage between Powell and Wheeler so perhaps that child belonged to that union as I believe Martha was
LM
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Hi
Another Powell-Wheeler marriage could explain some of the confusion.
Samuel ought to have been dead when Annie married again as a widow. If she was telling the truth.
Hopefully Bugbear will be able to collate everything anew in the light of the latest info.
John
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Well played Louisa and johw65.
Bugbear might not have the death of William John Samuel in 1889,
death of Harry Edward (14) in 1907 and the marriage of Florence Janetta Edith in 1914 to Thomas Richards.
John
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I am going to await Bugbear now
LM
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Well "darn". I was so busy chasing my unfindable people, I closed my mind to other possibilities. I had actually thought that they might have changed their name (for nefarious reasons) ignoring a more plausible option.
I will re-check my data in the light of the new data, and come back tomorrow.
My hearty thanks to the wide ranging minds of the group!
BugBear
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Please bear in mind 2 x marriages, Powell to Wheeler
LM
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Have you considered there is a Powell marriage to Wheeler with a child Martha baptised in 1890, no date of birth shown, I don't think Mabel belonged to Samuel
LM
I don't think I've found the marriage you speak of, or a child called Martha.
I have found Mabel, comfortably nestled in the 1891 census with Charles T Powell and Elizabeth Wheeler.
RG12/8/6 Page 4
BugBear
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Let's hope Bugbear comes back to us
B didn't think that was the correct death 1896 as their was a child born 1904, haven't double checked this birth, there was another marriage between Powell and Wheeler so perhaps that child belonged to that union as I believe Martha was
LM
1904, George William Powell is the son of John Florence Powell and Annie, bapt 28 Feb 1904 Notting Hill All Saints, Kensington and Chelsea, England.
So - not the son-of-Samuel.
BugBear
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Good, I agree with that, , those children do not belong to Samuel and Annie, found 3 baptisms which I belueve belong to Samuel and Annie, one odd Powell, birth, from memory 1867 but baptised 1887 as a Powell in hackney, not yours
So now we need to find them on 1911, no luck so far
LM
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I have 4 baptisms;
1887 Annie Ethel
1889 William John Samuel
1891 Florence
1893 Harry Edward
BugBear
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I have checked all the 1911 census entries for 20, Lonsdale Rd. No joy.
BugBear
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Free index to 1911
Annie, Florence, Kate in Paddington as Lewis. Annie widowed again.
Also an Ethel, perhaps daughter in law to Annie?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW2V-FV8
Presumably then Georgina was known as Kate? :-\
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possible Marriage for
Ethel Annie Powell aged 20 address Westbourne Terr North
20/10/1907,St Mary Magdalene
father Samuel, not shown as "dec"
to Charles Henry Weekly 27 of Cirencester St, neat to St Mary Magdalene church
Witnesses Annie Newbold and ? Newbold
OK, so is Ethel Lewis in the free index to 1911 really Ethel Weekly?
Who is actually living elsewhere, but the other details match.
Mum put her down as well in 1911, and as Lewis! ???
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Sad news, another death
March 1906 Kensington 1a 46
Lewis, Ada Selina
age 6
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possible Marriage for
Ethel Annie Powell aged 20 address Westbourne Terr North
20/10/1907,St Mary Magdalene
father Samuel, not shown as "dec"
to Charles Henry Weekly 27 of Cirencester St, neat to St Mary Magdalene church
Witnesses Annie Newbold and ? Newbold
OK, so is Ethel Lewis in the free index to 1911 really Ethel Weekly?
Who is actually living elsewhere, but the other details match.
Mum put her down as well in 1911, and as Lewis! ???
jown65, re the marriage of Ethel, was/is Charles Henry' Weekly's age recorded.
John
Edit: OK he was aged 27 but she married Charles THOMAS Weekly
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Sad news, another death
March 1906 Kensington 1a 46
Lewis, Ada Selina
age 6
Sorry, I'd found that one, and another birth/death pair:
Charles James Lewis, 1901-1902, both Paddington
BugBear
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jown65, re the marriage of Ethel, was/is Charles Henry' Weekly's age recorded.
Charles Thomas Weekly was 27 and a Carman
Ethel Annie was 20
John
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In the 1911 "Annie Lewis" census, the address is interesting.
It's 20, Woodchester St. in 1931 Georgina Frances Powell was living with her husband at 68, Woodchester St.
She married Henry Bernard Griffiths in 1920, Paddington.
BugBear
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Charles Thomas Weekly & Ethel in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW2N-F4N
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The changes of name is confusing me, 1911 Annie has a daughter shown as LEWIS "M", but there is also a daughter same names with her husband Charles Thomas and son already mentioned on 1911
Can't find a death for Charles Lewis supposedly born circa 1869
Son Leonard Samuel weekly
Baptised St Mary Magdalene
07/09/1908
of Charles Thomas and Annie E? Weekly
occ Hostler
address 35 Woodchester Street, all in the same vicinity as Cirencester and Woodchester, roads off Harrow Road
My family territory
LM
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OK, I'll mark this as completed - in that my original question has been fully answered.
Family research is never actually "completed", obviously.
BugBear
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You are welcome
LM