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In search of any details of Ross Healy/Healey, believed to been born 1930s, I think his parents were
Mortimer & Beatrice Healy/Healey who married 1931 ish. Beatrice the daughter of Ada & Alfred Baker...
Thank you.
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Ay idea where they were in Canada?
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Thanks Don,
Montreal, Ada Fincham came to Canada on board ship from UK in 1903 aged 25, she married a Alfred Baker. Ross Healy / Healey being the grandson of Alfred and Ada Baker.
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It looks like it's Montreal Don.
I can see a snippet of an obit for Mortimer Edward Healey, wife Beatrice May, in the Montreal Gazette Sept. 21, 1990.
Blue-Spirit....could R* still be living?
DB
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Forget I asked the question of still living.
Obit for Ross E. Healy 1932-May 5, 2018 Montreal Gazette
https://montrealgazette.remembering.ca/obituary/ross-healy-1065744597
DB
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Hi,
From the Drouin Collection Quebec births.
Ross Edward Healy b. 14 Feb. 1932, son of Mortimer Edward Healy and May Beatrice Baker,
sponsors were Miss Florence Sadie Baker and Mr. Francis Gerald Healy.
DB
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Thank you kindly debree. Very helpful.
I see you mention "I can see a snippet of an obit for Mortimer Edward Healey, wife Beatrice May, in the Montreal Gazette Sept. 21, 1990."
Would you have a link please ?
Also, any resources where i might make contact with family members please ?
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Hi, you're welcome. :)
Another tidbit for Ross, he passed away in McMasterville, Quebec, southwest of Montreal.
https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/ross-healy-obituary?pid=188988582
You can try Canada 411 directory,
https://www.canada411.ca/
Oops, my mistake, it's actually the obit for Beatrice.
https://www.newspapers.com/search/#lnd=1&query=%22mortimer+healy%22&t=8130
DB
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Thank you kindly, extremely helpful. Kind regards Tony.
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I have a family tree for Alfred John Baker, born 1865 in Chelmsford, who emigrated to Canada in 1902. He lived with Ada Elizabeth Fincham in the St Laurent district Montreal, and had three children, Russell, born 1907, Beatrice, born 1909, and Florence, born 1912. Beatrice Mary or May married Mortimer Edward Healy in 1931, and had one son, Ross Edward Healy, 1932-2018, and two grandsons, Mark and Scott Healy. There is a photograph of a gravestone commemorating both Ada, died 1948, and Alfred John, died 1951, in Montreal. I would like to establish the Fincham family connection in Norfolk, and explore further descendants in Canada.
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Alfred and Elizabeth had more than 3 children.
1921 census Laurier Ward Montreal.
John Alfred Baker 52
Elizabeth Baker 42
Russell Baker 14
Beatrice Baker 12
Florence Baker 9
Ida Baker 5
Stanley Baker 2
Clarence Baker 3 months.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e003082290
Sandra
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Thank you, Sandra
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The Canadian Passenger List showing Ada Elizabeth Fincham born 1878 Norfolk England and aged 25 years - Liverpool to Montreal - arriving 7 November 1903 on the Tunisian - occupation cook - does not
give any further information about her.
Sandra
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1881 census Low Road Shropham, Norfolk.
RG11 Piece 1974 Folio 140 Page 10
Isaac Fincham 28 Cattle Dealer.
Sifjlla Fincham 27
Horatia Fincham 3
Ada E. Fincham 2
Leonard J. Fincham 6 months.
Sandra
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1891 census , Attleborough, Norfolk.
RG12 Piece 1549 Folio 9 Page 11
Isaac Fincham 39
Sybilla Fincham 39
Horace Fincham 13
Joseph L Fincham 11
William W Fincham 9
Beatrice S Fincham 8
Isaac E Fincham 6
Alice L Fincham 5
Florence B Fincham 1
Ada is a servant living with John and Harriet Carlton - , Attleborough, Norfolk.
In 1891 a servant Kinston Wimbledon Surrey with the Lacks family.
Sandra
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Brother Horatio Fincham seems to stay in England - died 1940 Wayland Norfolk.
Brother Leonard Joseph Fincham also stayed in England.- died 12 December 1954 Norfolk.
Brother Walter William Fincham - died 1968 Norfolk
Brother Isaac Elijah Fincham died 15 April 1918 - France and Flanders - 9 th Battalion - Reg No 29231
FIND A GRAVE - with photograph
Burial -
Mont Noir Military Cemetery
Saint-Jans-Cappel, Departement du Nord, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France
PLOT II. E. 14.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/56193179/isaac-elijah-fincham
Sister - Beatrice S Fincham married Walter Long 18 June 1910 Caston, England.
Beatrice Sibylla Long died 7 February 1972 - Norfolk.
Sister Florence B Flincham - married SArthur Hurn 1920 Norfolk - Florence Betsy Hurn
16 October 1890 died Q4 1969 - Norwich Norfolk.
One of her children Nancy Burbett Hurn/Trower born 22 August 1924 died 19 May 2005 Tucson, Pima, Arizona.
FIND A GRAVE
East Lawn Palms Cemetery and Mortuary Tucson, Pima County, Arizona.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/118809088/nancy-b.-trower
Obituary- Arizona Daily Star Tucson, Arizona
3 Jun 2005, Fri Page 22
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61113024/obituary-for-nancy-trower-bage/
Sandra
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Sister Alice Louise Fincham - married 1907 Norfolk to Henry George P Pulford.
Alice Louise P Pulford - died 28 September 1972 - North Walsham Norfolk -
Sister Mary should be May Fincham - married 15 December 1912 to James Herbert Goddard.
May Lydia Goddard born 27 May 1892 died 1974 - Norwich Norfolk -
Sister Olive S Fincham born 1895 married Clarence Cheeseman
Olive Susannah Cheeseman died 12 August 1973 Old Catton Norwich.
Sandra
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Father Isaac Fincham born 1850 died 1923 aged 73 years
Registered Wayland Norfolk - 4 b 248
Sandra
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Mother - Sibylla Fincham born 1852 died 1932 - aged 80 years.
Burial Date 14 Jul 1932
Burial Place Rockland All Saints with St Andrew, Norfolk.
Sandra
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Issac Fincham aged 25 years - Sibhylla Smith
Marriage Date: 27 Jul 1876 St Michael and All Angels, Bromley, Tower Hamlets.
Father Thomas Fincham
Spouse Sibylla Smith.
Sandra
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1871 census Attleborough Wayland Norfolk - Isaac with parents and siblings
Class RG10 Piece 1841 Folio 139 Page 12
Thomas Fincham 44 Leticia Fincham 43
Isaac Fincham 19 Robert Fincham 13
Sarah Fincham 12 Elizth Fincham 10
Sandra
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1861 census Attleborough Wayland Norfolk.
RG 9 Piece 1237 Folio 129 Page 12
Thomas Fincham 35 Letitia Fincham 34
John Fincham 11 Isaac Fincham 9
Thomas Fincham 6 Robert Fincham 3
Sarah Fincham 2 Elizabeth Fincham 2 months.
Sandra
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Thomas Fincham 1825 - 1898 and Letitia Childerhouse 1827 - 1901 - married 1848 - Wayland Norfolk.
Both are buried All Saints Churchyard
Rocklands, Breckland Borough, Norfolk.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/185117070/thomas-fincham
Sandra
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Hugely impressed with this mass of detailed information, and extremely grateful!
My next lines of enquiry -
(1) Was Ada still working for the Lacks family in Kingston (Wimbledon?) Surrey in the 1901 census? Meanwhile AJB was in Wimbledon in 1891 and Wandsworth in 1901
(2) Track down Alfred John's passage to Canada, thought to be 1902, Liverpool to Montreal. How do I pinpoint his entry on the Canadian Passenger List with only name, year, and ports of departure and arrival?
(3) Follow up the movements of the Montreal children (Russell, Beatrice, Florence, Idah, Stanley, Clarence) after 1921. The 1931 census is not available until 2023. What is the best line of approach?
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Norfolk thread :-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=389414.new#new
previous Canada thread :-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=388797.0
Sandra
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Not sure you can see the obit in reply 7 - will posted the full clip
The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
21 Sep 1990, Fri Page 50
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61142441/beatrice-may-nee-baker-healy-21/
Sandra
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Small snippet...
The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
1 Nov 1949, Tue Page 22
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61142471/beatrice-may-baker-v-mortimer-edward/
Sandra
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Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30A - Ernest Baker - born 1874 Chelmsford Essex - arriving Quebec 25 May 1922 on the Empress of Scotland. To make his home. Going to brother Alfred Baker, 2752 Dorlet Street, St Denis Boulevard, Montreal City. Nearest relative in country from whence came Eliza Lucking (mother-in-law) Mill Cottage, Little Baddow, Chelmsford.
Ernest Baker married Catherine Leah Young - 1898 - Chelmsford.
Sandra
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I believe this is the daughter of Ernest Baker - Canada Ocean Arrivals Form 30 A - Evelyn Joyce Baker - 1900 Chelmsford Essex - aged 24 years -
Port of Arrival: Quebec arriving 18 October 1924 on the Andania. Had been in Canada previously.
wife Catherine Leah Baker (wife of Ernest) - born 1878 Southampton - arriving 22 May 1922 - going to Alfred Baker at the Dorlet Street address.
Sandra
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Evelyn Joyce Baker aged 27 years married Samuel Morris Green aged 26 years - 26 May 1927 York Toronto Ontario.
Sandra
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Obituary for Catherine Leah BAKER (Aged 69) -
The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
31 May 1947, Sat Page 15
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61142674/obituary-for-catherine-leah-baker-aged/
Sandra
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Obituary for Evelyn Joyce GREEN (daughter of Ernest and Catherine) - The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
13 Dec 1975, Sat Page 16
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61142799/obituary-for-evelyn-joyce-green/
Sandra
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Thank you, Sandra. I am delighted to have all these details of the Bakers in Montreal - Ernest Baker, his wife Catherine (Kate), daughter Evelyn Joyce Baker (a younger daughter, Gladys, born 1902, sadly died in Chelmsford in 1915), his grandchildren (Joan, Francis, Raymond, Edward, Gregory), and 14 great-grandchildren according to an obituary. Evelyn appears to have entered Canada twice (1922 and 1924). She was a nurse; she married Samuel Morris Green in 1927 in York Toronto, and died in City of Two Mountains, Quebec, in 1975. Ernest was one of 11 children born to Alfred and Mary Ann Baker of Chelmsford, Essex, England between the years 1862 and 1884. It is interesting to note that, on arrival in Montreal in 1922, Ernest initially went to stay with his older brother, Alfred John and family, in Dorlet Street, St Denis Boulevard, Montreal. In 1921 the family residing here consisted of AJB, Ada Elizabeth Fincham, and six children (Russell, Beatrice, Florence, Idah, Stanley and Clarence). There are photographs of Alfred John, Ernest and Kate, and Evelyn and Gladys. I am hoping to locate further photographs of the extended Baker family in Montreal, and to trace the whereabouts of Alfred and Ada's children and grandchildren. Details of AJB's arrival in Montreal (1902) are yet to be confirmed. He was the first of a number of Chelmsford Bakers to cross the pond in the early 1900s.
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Obituary for Stanley Bruce Baker - 31 May 2006
https://montrealgazette.remembering.ca/obituary/stanley-baker-1065876014
The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada 3 Jun 2006, Sat - Page 39
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61150729/stanley-bruce-baker-3-june-2006/
Sandra
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Marriage Russell Joseph Baker - 1937 Westmount Quebec - Place of Worship or Institution Ascension of Our Lord - spouse Margaret Murphy.
Sandra
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Obituary - Russell Baker - The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
3 Jan 1966, Mon Page 31
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61151445/obituary-for-russell-baker-aged-58/
Sandra
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Margaret nee Murphy Baker - wife of the late Russell Baker
The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
1 May 1999, Sat Page 60
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61151535/obituary-for-margaret-baker/
Sandra
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Brilliant detective work, Sandra! The post-1921 family network is coming together so well.
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Thank you for your message. Still nibbling :)
Francis Gerald Healy married Florence Baker 24 th May 1940 - Place of Worship or Institution St-Roch
Montreal
Sandra
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Canada Voters List 1974 - Francis Healy - Manager and Florence Healy - 281 Avenue Lepage Avenue (Electoral District Lachine)
Beatrice Healy (retired) is also living with them
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Obituary - Florence Baker Healy - The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
8 Dec 1979, Sat - Page 17
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61154558/obituary-for-florence-healy/
Sandra
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Obituary - Francis Gerald Healy - 4 May 1996
The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
4 May 1996, Sat Page 62
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/61155350/francis-gerald-healy-4-may-1996/
Sandra
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All my Fincham family connection. Horace being my grandfather.
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Did you intend to send an attachment of your Fincham connection? I would like to see how your grandfather, Horace, was related to Ada Elizabeth Fincham. Do you therefore have any distant relatives in Montreal? Thank you.
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Under the topic "England to Canada 1940s" Cosmac replied to Blue-Spirit regarding the likely arrival in Canada of Ada Elizabeth Fincham in the passenger list of the Tunisian for November 7th 1903. Under "Ross Healy" *Sandra* confirmed her interpretation. Both agreed that the hand-written entry for page 3, line 10, reads: Miss A.E.Fincham, 25, born Norfolk, occupation cook, destination Montreal. (She was born in 1879 in Attleborough, Norfolk.) She thus sailed from Liverpool to Montreal, arriving November 7th 1903 on the Tunisian. Did she travel alone as a single lady, unaccompanied? Travel arrangements for Alfred John Baker are not recorded in passenger lists for either 1902 or 1903, though he was thought to have left England in 1902. He was born in Chelmsford, Essex, in 1865 (although he gives his age as 52 in the 1921 census, hence 1869, making himself 10 years older than Ada; he also declares that they both entered Canada in the same year, 1900, an error of 3 years). AJB was a leather finisher by trade (1891 census, Wimbledon, and 1901 census, Wandsworth). In Montreal he continued this trade as a glove cutter (probably with the Hudson Bay Co.) as recorded in both 1911 and 1921 censuses (St Laurent/Laurier Ward Montreal). In England, Ada had been a servant girl living with the Carlton family in Attleborough, Norfolk, in 1891, aged 12; and a servant with the Lacks family in Wimbledon, Surrey, in 1901, aged 22. Note, Wimbledon.
Back to the Tunisian passenger list. We have this interesting conjunction of names in lines 10 and 11:
10. Miss A.E.Fincham 25 Cook England Norfolk Montreal
11. Geo. Foster 35 Leather finisher England Essex Montreal
The most parsimonious interpretation of this circumstantial evidence is this:
Alfred John Baker in fact arrived in Canada in 1903 on the same ship. He travelled under an assumed name, George Foster, accompanying a single lady, Ada Elizabeth Fincham, 10 years his junior, whom he may have known in Wimbledon. He gives the game away by declaring himself a leather finisher, originating from Essex! Is this pure coincidence? Can anyone shed further light on this speculation?
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Hi, Very sorry to be so slow at this point, i have recently discovered a connection to another side of my direct family connection which has been tormenting me for years.
My connection via Ada Elizabeth Fincham, is that Horace Fincham Ada's brother whom was my grandfather on my mothers side. I made the original inquiry on Ross Healy, as his name appeared on the back of a photograph of Florence Baker, daughter of Ada Baker nee Fincham. Then discovered here the obituary on Ross.
I found the following some time ago; 1901 Ada is down as Ida Fincham u/m 22 servant in the household of William A Lacks, living at 22 Vineyard Hill?, Wimbledon, Surrey.
You can find an entry on my mother and grandmother on my dated website located under " Why Me" at
http://www.455thaaa.ukgo.com/
Did you intend to send an attachment of your Fincham connection? I would like to see how your grandfather, Horace, was related to Ada Elizabeth Fincham. Do you therefore have any distant relatives in Montreal? Thank you.
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Arising from my exploration of the Baker-Fincham-Healy connection in early 20th century Montreal, I am now pursuing a Green family. Evelyn Joyce Baker (a nurse, b.1900, d.1975) accompanied her parents (Ernest and Catherine Baker) arriving in Montreal in 1922. It appears that she returned briefly to England in 1923, only to return a second time to Canada in 1924. In 1927 she married Samuel Morris Green (b.1901, d.1985), an employee of CNR (Canadian National Railways) at the Pointe-Sainte-Charles assembly facility in Montreal. They had five children – Joan (m. Frank Mitchell), Frances (m. Ray Barbeau), Raymond (m. Frances), Edward and Gregory (m. Bonnie). So far I have been unable to pinpoint Samuel’s entry into Canada, or indeed his (assumed) background in England. Can anyone shed light on this?
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S M Green - Samuel Morris Green baptised 1904 Methodist Centenary Pointe-St-Charles
Father Theodore Green (labourer) and Minnie Robinson his wife.
Sandra
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Marriage - Samuel Morris Green - 1901 Quebec - married 4 June 1927 York Ontario
Aged 26
Father Theodore Green - Mother Beatrice Minnie Robinson - Spouse Evelyn Joyce Baker.
Sandra
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1911 census 130 Verdun Jacques-Cartier Quebec.
Tailor Green 41
Marrie Green 40
Getrude Green 17
Ethel Green 13
Ruth Green 11
Samuel Green 10
Robert Green 7
Norman Green 5
Violet Green 3
Walter Green 1
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1911/Pages/results.aspx?k=cnsSurname%3a%22green%22+AND+cnsGivenName%3a%22samuel%22+AND+cnsAge%3a%2210%22+AND+cnsProvinceCode%3a%22QC%22
1921 census Springfield Park Chambly-Verchères Quebec.
Theodore Green 51 born Eng. Imm 1870
Minnie Green 49
Ruth Green 21
Samuel Green 20 born Quebec.
Robert Green 18
Violet Green 13
Walter Green 11
Grandvill Green 9
Theodore Green
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e003064024
Sandra
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[Theodore Green] - Marriage Date September 1892 Montréal, Québec (Quebec)
Place of Worship or Institution Anglican Grace Church - Spouse Robinson (spinster)
Signatures Theodore Green. Minnie Robinson. Samuel James Green and Minnie Biggs.
https://applications.banq.qc.ca/apex/f?p=113:11:0::NO::P11_CLE:23039
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Theodore Green - 16 September 1869 Worcestershire England. Died 10 December 1934 Montreal Quebec.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/108158949/theodore-green
Also details of Minnie 1871 - 1968 and three children.
Sandra
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Minnie Green - The Gazette
Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada - 6 Jan 1968, Sat Page 39
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/62732582/obituary-for-minnie-ann-green-aged-96/
Sandra
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1881 census Montreal Quebec.
William Green 43
Elizabeth Green 38
Joseph Green 23
William H. Green 21
Albert Green 19
Fredrick Green 17
John Green 15
Eliza Green 13
Theodore Green 11 Born Eng.
Eda Green 5
Sandra
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1871 census Montreal, Hochelaga, Quebec.
William Green 32
Susana Green 30
Joseph Green 13
William Green 11
Albert Green 9
Frederick Green 7
Arthur Green 5
Eliza Green 3
Theodore Green 2
Sandra
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Samuel Green Morris - The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
22 Nov 1985, Fri Page 45
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/62733241/obituary-for-samuel-green-morris/
Sandra
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Evelyn Joyce Green - The Gazette Montreal, Quebec, Quebec, Canada
13 Dec 1975, Sat Page 16
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/62733301/obituary-for-evelyn-joyce-green/
Sandra
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Somehow I knew *Sandra* would come to the rescue!
So Theodore (b. in Worcestershire, England in 1869, d.1934) emigrated with his family to Canada in 1870, and in 1892 married Minnie (Beatrice) Robinson (b.1871, d.1968); they had seven children (Ruth, Samuel, Robert, Violet, Walter, Grandvill and Theodore) of which Samuel Morris (b.1901, d.1985) was the second. Samuel married Evelyn Joyce Baker in 1927.
Thanks so much, Sandra! You are a star!
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Pleased to help.
I think William Green married Susannah Morris and registered December 1867
Green William W Bromwich 6b 861
Morris Susannah W Bromwich 6b 861
Sandra
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GREEN, THEODORE MORRIS
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 666
Sandra
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Parents 0f Theodore Green - William Green and Susannah Morris.
FIND A GRAVE
Susannah - died 1879
Cimetière Mont-Royal
Outremont, Montreal Region, Quebec, Canada
PLOT Section G4
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/108919138/susannah-green
Sandra