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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: katherinem on Wednesday 24 August 05 15:59 BST (UK)
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Hi, I wonder if some kind person could lookup a baptism for me. It is for a Lavinia McDonald, she was on the 1871 census, aged 10, birthplace Manchester. Apart from that I can find no other information on her. I was hoping to find her on the 1861 census, but not a sign of her or her father (Peter McDonald). Peter originated from Ireland so whether he arrived in 1861, I don't know.
This was probably a Catholic baptism, if that makes any difference!
Any help would be most appreciated.
Kath
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Regards Peter McDonald and the 1861 Census, I have found the following, do you think this is your Peter ??
Address: - Yorkshire Street, Oldham, Lancashire, England,
Peter McDonald, Lodger, Widower ? aged 39 years, Cordwainer, birthplace Ireland,
John McDonald, Lodger, son aged 4 years, Scholar, birthplace Manchester Lancashire,
Reference RG9, piece 03016, folio 8, page 10, Enumeration District 1,
regards mapacaja
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1860 Lavinia E MCDONALD mother's maiden name CARROLL registered Market Street District of Manchester
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Is this the 1871 family that you have?
Bradford, Yorkshire
Peter McDonald 50 born Ireland Tailor
Lavinia McDonald 10 born Manchester
Daniel McDonald 7 born Bradford
RG10/4466/102/7
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1851
11 Peter Street, Oldham
The Head of the house is Richard Wild a beerseller
Margaret Mckeald Lodger Married 23 born Edinburgh
Peter Mcdonald Lodger Married 30 Born Ireland Tailor
Jane Mcdonald Lodger 2 born Manchester
Heather
There is a birth for a Jane McDonald in 1850 registered Newton district of Manchester no maiden name given
Heather
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Regards Peter McDonald and the 1861 Census, I have found the following, do you think this is your Peter ??
Address: - Yorkshire Street, Oldham, Lancashire, England,
Peter McDonald, Lodger, Widower ? aged 39 years, Cordwainer, birthplace Ireland,
John McDonald, Lodger, son aged 4 years, Scholar, birthplace Manchester Lancashire,
Reference RG9, piece 03016, folio 8, page 10, Enumeration District 1,
In 1871,
John F McDonald
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Under Detention Industrial School's Act
Gender: Male
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Vessels
Town: Albert Dock Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Heather
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Peter and Lavinia in Bradford on 1871 census with brother Daniel.
Lavinia Ellens mother maiden name Carroll. Daniel born Bradford has mother name Carlton.
Lavinia born 4 huntsman court withy grove, checked 1861 census and family not there.
Lee
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There are 3 ancestry trees with Lavinia giving date of birth 5 Jun 1860; they state her mother was Margaret Farrell or Carroll with a death on the 'Hague family tree'
Death of Mother Margaret Farrel or Carroll(1828–1866)
1 Nov 1866 • 11, Chapel Fold, Bradford, West Yorkshire, England
The fact that the actual date is given may mean the tree owner has the certificate.
Daniel as stated by hol is a half brother with this death
Death of Half-Brother daniel mcdonald(1863–1931)
4 April 1931 • 4 mason street hull yorkshire
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Hello
I dont think Daniel is a half brother to Lavinia,i think its just an interpretation of name by registrar as With the Death of Margaret who was McDonell on the death entry.
Theres a Margaret Carrell b1828 on the 1841 census in Manchester with a brother called Daniel,only one of two of the correct age.
Lee
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Hmmm, would be good if OP gets a notification of the resuscitation of this thread from 2005!! Then we might hear if they ever found anything further out themselves in the intervening 12 years.
Yes, ancestry trees eh ::)
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Was on yesterday there are various threads on Lavinia and family.
Informant on fathers death cert was daughter Jane.
Lee
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Oh my goodness this post is a blast from the past :D I apologise for my late response, but I didn't see that I had any notifications that there was a reply to this post.
I do indeed have all certificates possible for the family. I have been unable to find a birth certificate for Jane, have purchased a few that were not for her over the years. Hoping eventually a baptism will appear online for her. Mothers maiden name was definitely Carroll. There was another daughter Mary Ann born in Manchester and a son John Francis.
In 2005, I was so naive to think that it was possible for a catholic baptism lookup in Manchester (not even an address to narrow down the area!) At the time, the birth reg wasn't on FreeBMD, eventually I had the common sense to manually go through the birth entries and found the missing entry.
This is still one of my brick walls, as both Lavinia and Jane just disappear! Their brother Daniel is mentioned in a newspaper article with regard the death of his son in WWI and it mentioned that the son had a silk handkerchief which his father had just brought back from a visit to Ireland. Was he visiting his sisters? Who knows.
Having Lavinia's date of birth, I was a little hopeful that when the 1939 register was published that it may help me find her, but sadly no. I am still hopeful that this brick wall will crumble one day, as I keep slowly chipping away at it.
Thank you so much for all your interest it is really appreciated.
Regards Peter McDonald and the 1861 Census, I have found the following, do you think this is your Peter ??
Address: - Yorkshire Street, Oldham, Lancashire, England,
Peter McDonald, Lodger, Widower ? aged 39 years, Cordwainer, birthplace Ireland,
John McDonald, Lodger, son aged 4 years, Scholar, birthplace Manchester Lancashire,
Reference RG9, piece 03016, folio 8, page 10, Enumeration District 1,
regards mapacaja
I do think this is Peter and have wondered if Margaret and daughters were off visiting somewhere else or the family had temporarily separated. Who knows? John Francis is definitely a son of Peter and Margaret, I have all his certificates and his baptism is on line.
Kind regards, Kath
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Hello
Theres a Margaret Carrell b1828 on the 1841 census in Manchester with a brother called Daniel,only one of two of the correct age.
Lee
1851
11 Peter Street, Oldham
The Head of the house is Richard Wild a beerseller
Margaret Mckeald Lodger Married 23 born Edinburgh
Peter Mcdonald Lodger Married 30 Born Ireland Tailor
Jane Mcdonald Lodger 2 born Manchester
Heather
I have a spreadsheet going with everything I have definite and both of these as possibles as well as many other possibilities! Thank you so much for looking.