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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Nottinghamshire => England => Nottinghamshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: lewlew1 on Monday 06 July 20 16:04 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am looking for the family of Harriet chambers. I cannot find her birth/baptism registration or in the 1841 census.
Her death certificate says she was 77 when she died in 1903, but on the different censuses it says she was born in 1828 or 1826 in Greasley or Kimberley
I have located her on the 1851 census onwards. born 1828. living in Alfreton Derbyshire with John Severn (married 1849 in Alfreton) on the 1851 census only her initial H is mentioned along with E D chambers as sister aged 8. After 1851 i cannot find E D chambers anywhere..
The only other information i have is on the marriage certificate she is 21 or 27 and spinster. Harriets father is William Chambers. witnesses John goulder, Celina goulder.
I cannot find Harriet or E D?? chambers before this. I hope someone can help.
Thanks!
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along with E D chambers as sister aged 8. After 1851 i cannot find E D chambers anywhere..
have you looked for a female birth for Chambers in Greasley around 1843 that could be her?
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Basford seems to be the right registration district and there is an Eliza born Dec 1843 with mothers name Chambers.
However could she be aged 1 and not 8 do you think :-\ either way quite an age gap for a sister.
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Harriets father is William Chambers.
Is there any occupation for him on the marriage please?
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There is a marriage March 1842 Mansfield where Selina Chambers and John Goulder are on the same page.
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What about this family in 1841 Greasley?
William Chambers 35
Mary 35
Moses 12
Harriott 10
Matilda 8
Susanna 5
William 2
Phoebe 2 months
In 1851 William is a coal miner and Harriott is not at home.
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What about this family in 1841 Greasley?
William Chambers 35
Mary 35
Moses 12
Harriott 10
Matilda 8
Susanna 5
William 2
Phoebe 2 months
In 1851 William is a coal miner and Harriott is not at home.
Thank you for your reply. Harriets father is William Chambers.
Is there any occupation for him on the marriage please?
Thank you for the reply. I did come across this but i wasnt sure if it was the correct match. i am not sure what E D could stand for and thought maybe E D was phoebe, but in 1851 this same family is still together in nottinghamshire but E D is with harriet and john severn in alfreton derbyshire so i am unsure if E D was daughter why she wasnt in nottingham too?
William Chambers occupation was also collier on marriage certificate.
many thanks
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There is a marriage March 1842 Mansfield where Selina Chambers and John Goulder are on the same page.
Thank you, this is interesting. This must be some relation, could it be Harriets sister?
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Possible Selina Goulder death here
Jun 1888 Basford age 66 so born c1822
if we could trace her back it might help with a link to Harriet
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1851
John Goulder 36 coal miner
S Goulder 28 born Greasley
W Mitchel 11 visitor
there is a Selina Chambers baptism 20 Apr 1823 with father Samuel mother Sarah Lees in Long Eaton Notts - is that near Greasley?
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1861 also has Mitchell folk, maybe mother Sarah has remarried?
This could all be wrong but posting just in case
Sarah Mitchell 65 widow
Dorothy Mitchell 24 daughter
William Mitchell 21 son
John Goulder 46 son in law
Selina Goulder 39 wife born Kimberley Notts
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In 1841 she is down as Celina Mitchell 19 but no Harriet there just 4 young Mitchell children.
So if her father was Samuel and Harriets father was William they can't be siblings :-\
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Hello :)
Recently I had been helping someone with some cross referencing which involved the couple you mention.
Unfortunately I haven't been able to complete what I was doing.
This was as far as I got..... hope it helps for you to continue.
1841 - Piece 857 - Folio number 39 - Page 25
Flatt, Greasley, Nottinghamshire
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Chambers - Male 35 1806 Nottinghamshire
Mary Chambers Female 35 1806 Nottinghamshire
Moses Chambers Male 12 1829 Nottinghamshire
Harriott Chambers Female 10 1831 Nottinghamshire
Matilda Chambers Female 8 1833 Nottinghamshire
Susanna Chambers Female 5 1836 Nottinghamshire
William Chambers Male 2 1839 Nottinghamshire
Phoebe Chambers Female 0 1841 Nottinghamshire
GRO =
CHAMBERS, PHOEBE / MMN = CHAMBERS
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in BASFORD UNION COUNTIES OF NOTTINGHAM DERBY Volume 15 Page 479
Marriage = 21st March 1825 - NUTHALL St Patrick
William CHAMBERS & Mary CHAMBERS
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In 1841 she is down as Celina Mitchell 19 but no Harriet there just 4 young Mitchell children.
So if her father was Samuel and Harriets father was William they can't be siblings :-\
Thank you Milliepede! yes i was hoping there was some kind of link to help find Harriet or her parents from Celina. Maybe a cousin or something if she was baptised as chambers(Long eaton is about 30mins from Greasley), and then her mother remarried as mitchell..? Are witnesses at weddings usually family or could it be anyone ???
thanks again for helping :)
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Hello :)
Recently I had been helping someone with some cross referencing which involved the couple you mention.
Unfortunately I haven't been able to complete what I was doing.
This was as far as I got..... hope it helps for you to continue.
1841 - Piece 857 - Folio number 39 - Page 25
Flatt, Greasley, Nottinghamshire
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Chambers - Male 35 1806 Nottinghamshire
Mary Chambers Female 35 1806 Nottinghamshire
Moses Chambers Male 12 1829 Nottinghamshire
Harriott Chambers Female 10 1831 Nottinghamshire
Matilda Chambers Female 8 1833 Nottinghamshire
Susanna Chambers Female 5 1836 Nottinghamshire
William Chambers Male 2 1839 Nottinghamshire
Phoebe Chambers Female 0 1841 Nottinghamshire
GRO =
CHAMBERS, PHOEBE / MMN = CHAMBERS
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in BASFORD UNION COUNTIES OF NOTTINGHAM DERBY Volume 15 Page 479
Marriage = 21st March 1825 - NUTHALL St Patrick
William CHAMBERS & Mary CHAMBERS
Thank you Dizzifish.
I did come across this but did not feel like it was the same harriet. But perhaps maybe it is.. I just wondered why she has her sister living with her at a young age in 1851, when if this is their, family they are still together in 1851.. ??? would really help if i could find a birth or baptism for harriet but as of yet i can't find anything.
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The census was for that night only. She might not have lived with her permanently.
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Witnesses can be family or friends or unrelated completely.
In 1841 there is already an 8 year old Mitchell child - Martha - so am thinking the second marriage for Sarah was sometime before that. Husband looks to be William Mitchell.
William Mitchell age 1 in 1841 has mothers name Lees which is correct.
Perhaps we could find a death for first husband Samuel to narrow it down?
Sure there must be a link somewhere.
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I'm trying to find baptisms for the Chambers children mentioned above;
Moses Chambers Male 12 1829 Nottinghamshire
Harriott Chambers Female 10 1831 Nottinghamshire
Matilda Chambers Female 8 1833 Nottinghamshire
Susanna Chambers Female 5 1836 Nottinghamshire
William Chambers Male 2 1839 Nottinghamshire
Phoebe Chambers Female 0 1841 Nottinghamshire
and basically I can't.
There was a Moses Chambers bapt to William and Mary in Awsworth in 1826, father's occ collier.So that looks hopeful. But the others aren't on the FHS CD. However there are other baptisms for William and Mary in Awsworth with a change in father's occupaton --- Sarah in 1827 (bricklayer), John in 1834 (Mason), another Moses in 1838 (bricklayer). I'm wondering if there was more than 1 William and Mary Chambers in the area having children at that time ???
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Here's a Mitchell/Chambers marriage, and in the right place:
1827 10 03 William MITCHELL and Sarah CHAMBERS at GREASLEY St Mary
so if we assume that they hadn't moved far,this is probably Sarah's baptism
1795 02 23 Sarah father John CHAMBERS mother Mary at GREASLEY St Mary
In 1841, Celina is with parents William and Sarah, age 19, and he next sibling down is only 8 - a large age gap. So it looks as though Selina was born before her mum Sarah married (this would rule her out of being Samuel's daughter). I can't find a baptism for her, either as Mitchel* or Chamber*. But it looks as though Sarah came from a pretty large family (unless there were 2 John and Mary Chambers having children at the same time in Greasley and quite frankly I wouldn't be surprised at this rate!), and the child baptised immediately befofe Sarah, in 1792, was a William - if this was Hannah's father, then she and Selina would be cousins.
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A little bit more.... just to confirm :)
Marriage at Mansfield St Peter and St Paul - 31st Jan 1842
John GOULDER & Selina Chambers
I am not sure if Local Studies are fully open, at some point I could try and have a look .
Deceased online = https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch
last name = Goulder
first names = Selina
burial date 15 May 1888
location Nottinghamshire
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The Mitchell/Chambers marriage we really want Sarah to be a widow - maiden name Lees.
This was the baptism I had for Selina and what I was working with.
there is a Selina Chambers baptism 20 Apr 1823 with father Samuel mother Sarah Lees in Long Eaton Notts - is that near Greasley?
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Hi
Thank you for the help everyone. I have received a message from the RootsChatter that Dizzifish has been helping recently. Who believes Harriets father was Jesse chambers.
Before i had the marriage certificate I did find a census for 1841 with Jesse Chambers(1791) aged 50 as a gardener? and Harriet is on this cenus but being born 1826 aged 15.
Does anyone think this could be the right match, its quite confusing! Is it normal to lie on a marriage or could jesse be a grandfather or another relative?
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Who believes Harriets father was Jesse chambers.
I thought we had the marriage certificate with father William written on it or am I mistaken ???
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The only other information i have is on the marriage certificate she is 21 or 27 and spinster. Harriets father is William Chambers. witnesses John goulder, Celina goulder.
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Who believes Harriets father was Jesse chambers.
I thought we had the marriage certificate with father William written on it or am I mistaken ???
Yes sorry the certificate does say William is father but I was just questioning it after the message i got, saying they believe jesse to be the father?
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Any reason they think that do you know?
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Hello.... :)
Dizzifish has been helping recently. Who believes Harriets father was Jesse chambers.
I don't know if there has been a misunderstanding or that we have crossed wires.....
I have been helping and also another Rootschatter who has other contacts and other irons in the fire, so I am not privy to everything that has been said... so maybe one of them?
I haven't mentioned that I think Jesse Chambers is Harriett's father at all.
Is there a reason why you don't think that its Harriett's family in Greasley in 1841 - Piece number 857 - Folio number 39 - Page 25 ?
What I need to ask you is: does the marriage certificate you have for John Severn & Harriett Chambers give John Severn's father as JOSEPH and Harriett's father as WILLIAM ? If they are not the correct fathers names, whose names were given?
I would have gone to our local studies to see what else I could find when and if it was suitable for me.
But it seems that can't happen any time soon - they are to open on 13th July with limited hours , computers are available to use but Fiche and readers are not.
Nottingham Archives open on the 11th July - limited hours & visits by appointment only to view pre-ordered original archival documents only.
I see you have just confirmed that Harriett's father was given as William.... that is what I expected/ hoped it to have been.
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Hi sorry for any confusion, its a part of my tree that i have been confused with myself for a while.
I am not sure why the Rootchatter that messaged me believes Jesse to be harriett's father, I believe this was from their own research.
regarding Harriett's family in Greasley in 1841 - Piece number 857 - Folio number 39 - Page 25 the reasons i wasn't sure was because of harriets birth. on her marriage certificate in 1849 its says she is 21? Her death certificate says she was 77 in 1903. The census in 1901 gives 1826, but the 1851 and 1881 say 1828 for birth. But could this just be errors in giving birth year?
The other thing i was wondering was why her sister was with them in Derbyshire not nottinghamshire in 1851, but this could just be from visiting on the day??
But yes the marriage certificate for John SEVERN is JOSEPH SEVERN and Harriet CHAMBERS is WILLIAM CHAMBERS.
Also Dizzifish thank you for suggesting about visiting the local studies, that is very kind of you, I am not that experienced myself so I wouldn't even know where to start if i did that.
thanks
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The Mitchell/Chambers marriage we really want Sarah to be a widow - maiden name Lees.
This was the baptism I had for Selina and what I was working with.
there is a Selina Chambers baptism 20 Apr 1823 with father Samuel mother Sarah Lees in Long Eaton Notts - is that near Greasley?
I'm getting quite confused here, I hope I don't cause more confusion.
I can't see any baptisms on my CD for any Selina Chambers anywhere in the county in the right timeframe (It doesn't include Long Eaton, but does include Greasley and the areas around there). Do you have the more up to date disc, Milliepede? If not, where did you find the Long Eaton bapt?
Maybe this is the marriage between Samuel and Sarah:
1815 12 18 Samuel CHAMBERS Sarah LEES GREASLEY St Mary
it seems this couple had one child, a son called Thomas, bapt in Greasley in 1817, but there are no others listed (which makes sense if the family moved away).
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Oh gosh where did I get that from then :-[ let me check again, I don't have any discs just ancestry.
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Yes it's the first one that comes up if you enter "Selina Chambers born 1823"
England and Wales non conformist and non parochial registers 1567-1970 on ancestry
birth date 5 April 1823
father Samuel Chambers
mother Sarah Lees
baptism date 23 April 1823
Long Eaton Notts
denomination Wesleyan
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Original says Sarah was the daughter of Thomas and Ann Lees
Samuel was a collier of Kimberley in the parish of Greasley
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So that would probably fit with the Samuel Chambers/Sarah Lees marriage in Greasley mentioned above. I've noticed that people in Awsworth and Kimberley seemed to use the Greasley church quite frequently.
It also means of course that Sarah was not a widow when she married.
Can anyone do a quick summary of thoughts so far?
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It also means of course that Sarah was not a widow when she married.
I was meaning she would have to be a widow when she married William Mitchell as Sarah Chambers, sorry didn't make that very clear.
The Mitchell/Chambers marriage we really want Sarah to be a widow - maiden name Lees.