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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: grandpasearch1 on Wednesday 01 July 20 17:58 BST (UK)
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Hi - I am looking for any information on a Mary McManus who was married to Francies (or James) Brady. They had a son named James Brady born June 24th 1890. Thank you.
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Where were they living :-\
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That would help! James Brady was born in Doon. I have a birth record of James Brady, but I'm just trying to figure out if Francis Brady had a middle name of John as the James Brady I am looking for - his fathers name was John.
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Doon is in which country? You've posted on Family history Beginners Board so there is no place clue in the board title or thread title.
The only Doon I know is a river in Scotland from which a Scottish local authority took its' name in late 20th century.
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The only Doon I know is a river in Scotland from which a Scottish local authority took its' name in late 20th century.
It's also a civil parish and a village in Co Limerick in Ireland.
https://www.townlands.ie/limerick/doon/
KG
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The only Doon I know is a river in Scotland from which a Scottish local authority took its' name in late 20th century.
It's also a civil parish and a village in Co Limerick in Ireland.
https://www.townlands.ie/limerick/doon/
KG
and 27 townlands in quite a few counties.
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This is the birth registration of James Brady - Doon, Cavan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02417/1900730.pdf
1901 census - no James
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Ballyconnell/Doon/1056770/
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Thank you for the census. I wonder what happened to James? did he perhaps die? or did he move? the James that I am looking for was very private and didn't talk about his life. He did say he was placed in an orphanage at a young age. Also wondering if the Francis Brady here had a middle name of John? Do you know how I can go about finding this? I'm relatively new to searching - my James had said that he was born July 1, 1890 and this has been the only record I have managed to find referencing a July 1, 1890.
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Looks like he's home again in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Ballyconnell/Ballyconnell_Town/317382/
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Thank you! anyway to find out the middle name of Francis Brady? I'm hoping its John!
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Irish people don't tend to use middle names, you seldom see them on baptism or birth Certs but they often acquire them when they go abroad.
The middle name they use maybe one they took for confirmation or just a family name.
You could look for Francis' marriage and baptisim.
I have a problem with the 1911 census, not the parents age, that difference is common, it's the number of children, it says 4 not 5. I count five James, Tommie, Mary Ellen (married) Lizzie (on 1901 and Mary Ellen's marriage cert) and Maggie. Hope I haven't sent you astray.
Edit I should have looked at the original 5 is crossed out, I wonder if Francis was married before and Mary Ellen isn't Mary's child, or the Enumerator interfered as only 4 of her children were there.
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Hmmmm interesting, thank you for the info...I'm looking for a John Brady - so am hoping its one and the same. Perhaps I'll find one of their other children in a family tree and be able to connect them
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I have a problem with the 1911 census, not the parents age, that difference is common, it's the number of children, it says 4 not 5. I count five James, Tommie, Mary Ellen (married) Lizzie (on 1901 and Mary Ellen's marriage cert) and Maggie. Hope I haven't sent you astray.
Edit I should have looked at the original 5 is crossed out, I wonder if Francis was married before and Mary Ellen isn't Mary's child, or the Enumerator interfered as only 4 of her children were there.
I don't see a marriage between Francis Brady and Mary McManus on Irish Genealogy.ie Perhaps they married outside Ireland.
Informant on James' Brady's birth registration was Ellen McManus, (present at birth), probably a relative of Mary.
Why has the enquiry now been moved to the Limerick board?
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Hi - I am looking for any information on a Mary McManus who was married to Francies (or James) Brady. They had a son named James Brady born June 24th 1890. Thank you.
Was Francis also called James or is that an error for John?
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Hi - I'm not seeing any marriage record either. I'm not sure why the message got moved, I think someone moved it. I am looking for a father named John or James Brady, son James Brady born 1890 July 1st...I am now looking to see if I can somehow find out the middle name of the Francis Brady.
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I have a problem with the 1911 census, not the parents age, that difference is common, it's the number of children, it says 4 not 5. I count five James, Tommie, Mary Ellen (married) Lizzie (on 1901 and Mary Ellen's marriage cert) and Maggie. Hope I haven't sent you astray.
Edit I should have looked at the original 5 is crossed out, I wonder if Francis was married before and Mary Ellen isn't Mary's child, or the Enumerator interfered as only 4 of her children were there.
All 5 were children of the marriage of Francis Brady & Mary McManus. They may have been confused how to answer the question and thought it meant children living at home.
1884 Lizzie; 1888 Mary Ellen; 1890 James; 1894 Thomas; 1897 Margaret (born Dec.) All registered Bawnboy SR District, in Ballyconnell District.
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Hi - I am looking for any information on a Mary McManus who was married to Francies (or James) Brady. They had a son named James Brady born June 24th 1890. Thank you.
Informant for birth registrations of James Brady and his 3 sisters was Ellen McManus, "present at birth". She was grandmother on Margaret's registration. Her address was Doon at Lizzie's birth 1884 and Ballyconnell at Margaret's 1897. There are a couple of possibilities for Ellen on 1901 & 1911 census; ages may not be accurate.
If Mary's age on 1911 census was correct, she was born before civil registration of births (1864). If age on 1901 census was correct, her birth may have been registered. Same goes for Francis. :-\
I understand now why we're on the Limerick board. Kiltaglasson reply #4 said Doon was in County Limerick. Sinnan pointed out that the placename occurs in several other counties. Heywood found James' birth registration in County Cavan. We need to up sticks from Co. Limerick and move to Cavan.
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Is the presumption here that this is your James because of the birthdate and nothing else?
You have two factors: father’s name and birthdate. People are more likely to know their father’s name, although that can be invented in cases of illegitimacy or sometimes forgotten.
If your James was in an orphanage as a young child, this James does not look to be yours and searching his siblings is probably not productive.
Where did James marry? What occupation did he have on his marriage?
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I'm relatively new to searching - my James had said that he was born July 1, 1890 and this has been the only record I have managed to find referencing a July 1, 1890.
Did James celebrate his birthday? Are there any documents from his adult life which state his date of birth or age? Where did he spend his adult life?
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Hello. Yes - he came to Canada between 1910 - 1920 and was a very private man. He made his life in Canada and we know his wife and their children, etc. He always said his birthdate was July 1, 1890 and his fathers name was John. Having a look into the birth record I found stating that his birth was June 24, 1890 and birth registration July 1, 1890. It has been the only record I have found that stated July 1, 1890. I also thought that perhaps July 1st was actually the day that he came to Canada as that is Canada Day. I'm looking at all possibilities, including this one with the father of Francis as perhaps the fathers middle name was actually John. Not 100% sure how many siblings he had, or their names. He did state that he was placed in an orphanage - the only record I have found for Ireland was with an incorrect birthdate - 6 years out and I have actually been in touch with that family and pretty much ruled that out. Other thought is that perhaps he was in an orphanage in Liverpool before coming to Canada. his life is a true mystery pre-Canada.
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He celebrated his birthday in Canada on July 1st. There are no records that the family has regarding his actual birthday - only his marriage certificate that shows his fathers name as John, mother unknown.
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Does it actually say "mother unknown" or is there no provision for a mother's name? What was James' occupation? Why do you think he arrived after 1910? Have you found him on the 1911 and 1921 census?
I can only see one James BRADY in the whole 1911 census who is around the right age and he claims to have been born in Quebec in May 1890.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1911&op=&img&id=e002091834
Also this one in 1921 who is a Loco Fireman and emigrated in 1908.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1921&op=img&id=e002889553
Debra :)
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Hi - thank you for the info...the family said that he came when he was around 18-19....he didn't discuss his family. on his marriage certificate it shows father John Brady, mother Mrs. Brady. No one seems to know what her name was. The one who emigrated in 1908 was told old I'm afraid - he would have been born in 1877....the other one who says he was born in Canada also doesn't' work as everything that James did say, was that he was born in Ireland....
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Hi - thank you for the info...the family said that he came when he was around 18-19....he didn't discuss his family. on his marriage certificate it shows father John Brady, mother Mrs. Brady. No one seems to know what her name was.
everything that James did say, was that he was born in Ireland....
As he seemed not to know his mother's first name and as he stated his father's name was John, it doesn't look likely that he was the James Brady in Ballyconnell, son of Francis & Mary. That James Brady was with both parents on 1911 census. (Reply #8 Sinann) James was a young adult then (age 22 on census return) and would have known and remembered his parents' forenames, even if they didn't call each other by their first names.
If James couldn't remember his mother's first name, I think he was unlikely to have known her maiden surname either.
Did he mention any place in Ireland?
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hi - good point. Hmmm
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In your previous thread here https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=740782. you refer to him as James Joseph.
Did he call himself that on civil records? You also mention siblings, perhaps Dorothy? Is that information passed down from James?
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Have you tried looking for immigration records?
Irish Genealogy Toolkit is full of advice & sources. https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com
Emigration is under Genealogy tab in menu. There's a page on Canadian immigration history and another about Canadian immigration records.
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com/canadian-immigration-records.html