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Title: William Shaw
Post by: Jaz on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:01 BST (UK)
Help needed in finding on any other census or b/m/d,  for  a William Shaw born 1841 Cheadle,  in 1901 he is in 46 High Street occ. banksman with wife Ann E Shaw born  1831 Fenton, with grandsons Robert and Tom,

Jaz
Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: chempat on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:10 BST (UK)
Have you found Robert and Tom on GRO records to see what the maiden name of their mother is - or are they illegitimate or 2 different sets of parents?

Just putting link to 1901

https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7814&h=34354991&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=zpG373&_phstart=successSource

There are one or two births for William showing, possibly Ann could be a second wife.  Which person is your direct ancestor?  William's age in 1901 might be slightly different to that in earlier records.  Have you got deaths for him or Ann?
Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:12 BST (UK)
1891 has Ann E Shaw age 57 born Fenton with husband James Shaw
RG12/2179 f164 p37
James age 57 born Cheadle
...
James Shaw   57   Coal Carter bn    Cheadle, Staffordshire
Ann E   Shaw   57   bn Fenton, Staffordshire
William   Shaw   22   bn Cheadle, Staffordshire
Hales   Jones   Dtr    Married   18   
Thomas H   Jones   Son In Law   19   bn Newbridge, Cheshire
John C   Tipper   Nephew   18   
James   Shaw   Son   11 bn Cheadle
Lizzie   Shaw   Dtr 9 bn Cheadle   
Hannah E   Highfield   Boarder   1   
Minnie   Jones   Granddaughter   
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WSDQ-ZZM
Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: chempat on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:17 BST (UK)
Robert and Tomas are still with (widowed) Ann in 1911.

Crossed out - married 52 years, 12 children born.

Added:
Ann has not aged by even one year.  She also does not appear to know where, exactly, she was born.
Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:20 BST (UK)
1881 Still as James
RG11/2745 f12 p15 - Cheadle
James 45 bn Dilhorne
Ann 43 bn Fenton
William 12
Hales 8
Rhoda 7
Edith 5
James 1
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27V-XG4N

SHAW, HALES       mmn TIPPER 
GRO Reference: 1872  S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT  Volume 06B  Page 237

Marriages Sep qtr 1862   
Shaw    James       
TIPPER    Annie Elizabeth       
Cheadle    6b   332
Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: chempat on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:33 BST (UK)
Just about to add that Tipper, then saw you had posted.

Found Rhoda, then Edith, as not sure if Hales might be under a different spelling.
Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: tazzie on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:36 BST (UK)
For the 1862 marriage details are...

 James Shaw ....father William age 24
 Annie Elizabeth Tipper.....father George age 23 address Brass Works Cheadle

  Tazzie
Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: chempat on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:38 BST (UK)
Just saw new post, but putting:

On marriage on F M P , James is age 24, a carter, father is William a collier.  Her father is George, a labourer.  Did not sign.
Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:44 BST (UK)
1871
RG10/2873 f66 p6
Still as James Shaw
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDDH-S93
Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: chempat on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:45 BST (UK)
There is a baptism for a James Shaw with parents William and Hannah in April 1838 in same parish as marriage.  William is a collier, and they were living 'near Major's barn'.

Added:
At same parish, and same parents, also another James in 1840, and William in 1836.  Addresses as 'near to..'

Several more children e.g. Edith 1828, Elizabeth 1832, Eliza 1834, Thomas 1830.
Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: wivenhoe on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:53 BST (UK)

http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/     search births.....finds -

SHAW   Samuel    mms. MOORE   1890   Hanley   Stoke-On-Trent

SHAW   Catherine    mms. MOORE   1893   Hanley   Stoke-On-Trent

SHAW   Margaret    mms. MOORE   1894   Hanley   Stoke-On-Trent

SHAW   Tom            mms. MOORE   1897   Hanley   Stoke-On-Trent


Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: Jaz on Tuesday 30 June 20 10:52 BST (UK)
Thank you chempat, rosie99,tazzie and Wivenhoe

So James is William in earlier census and Ann E is his second marriage, or as Ann E married a William Shaw by 1901 ?

I have not found a birth for the parents for Robert or Tom, mothers maiden name would not show that early, looked for baptisms for them found nothing.

I did see the James and Ann (Tipper )Shaw family, only i thought it was another family and not the same as William and Ann E Shaw so gave up on it then.
 
Family Search was not working the other week when i tried it, so will look again,

I have not found a death as yet for a William Shaw, I will also look for a James Shaw also just in case it is under that

Where do the Moore family fit into it all.

Thank you

Jaz
Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: chempat on Tuesday 30 June 20 11:08 BST (UK)
Births for Robert and Tom showing Mother's maiden name are here:

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

You need to register (for free) to search for them.
Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: Jaz on Tuesday 30 June 20 11:41 BST (UK)
Hi chempat,

Thank you I  will give it a try,

Jaz
Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 30 June 20 11:55 BST (UK)
Thank you chempat, rosie99,tazzie and Wivenhoe

So James is William in earlier census and Ann E is his second marriage, or as Ann E married a William Shaw by 1901 ?


'William' is James on his marriage to Annie Elizabeth Tipper in 1862 - he is a bachelor so that is his first marriage.  He is still married to her when you have him on census in 1901.

This is the information from 1871 in case you can't see the FS link I posted
James Shaw Head 35   bn Dilhorne, Staffordshire
Ann Elizabeth Shaw   Wife   35   bn Fenton, Staffordshire
Hannah Shaw   Dtr   6   bn Fenton, Staffordshire
Mary Ann Shaw   Dtr   4   bn Cheadle, Staffordshire
William Shaw   Son   2   bn Cheadle, Staffordshire
Sarah Jane Shaw Dtr  1   bn Fenton, Staffordshire
William Tippen   Boarder   19   bn Cheadle, Staffordshire

Title: Re: William Shaw
Post by: Jaz on Thursday 02 July 20 11:06 BST (UK)
Hi rosie99,

Thank you,

Jaz