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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: Jaz on Tuesday 30 June 20 08:01 BST (UK)
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Help needed in finding on any other census or b/m/d, for a William Shaw born 1841 Cheadle, in 1901 he is in 46 High Street occ. banksman with wife Ann E Shaw born 1831 Fenton, with grandsons Robert and Tom,
Jaz
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Have you found Robert and Tom on GRO records to see what the maiden name of their mother is - or are they illegitimate or 2 different sets of parents?
Just putting link to 1901
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=7814&h=34354991&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=zpG373&_phstart=successSource
There are one or two births for William showing, possibly Ann could be a second wife. Which person is your direct ancestor? William's age in 1901 might be slightly different to that in earlier records. Have you got deaths for him or Ann?
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1891 has Ann E Shaw age 57 born Fenton with husband James Shaw
RG12/2179 f164 p37
James age 57 born Cheadle
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James Shaw 57 Coal Carter bn Cheadle, Staffordshire
Ann E Shaw 57 bn Fenton, Staffordshire
William Shaw 22 bn Cheadle, Staffordshire
Hales Jones Dtr Married 18
Thomas H Jones Son In Law 19 bn Newbridge, Cheshire
John C Tipper Nephew 18
James Shaw Son 11 bn Cheadle
Lizzie Shaw Dtr 9 bn Cheadle
Hannah E Highfield Boarder 1
Minnie Jones Granddaughter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WSDQ-ZZM
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Robert and Tomas are still with (widowed) Ann in 1911.
Crossed out - married 52 years, 12 children born.
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Ann has not aged by even one year. She also does not appear to know where, exactly, she was born.
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1881 Still as James
RG11/2745 f12 p15 - Cheadle
James 45 bn Dilhorne
Ann 43 bn Fenton
William 12
Hales 8
Rhoda 7
Edith 5
James 1
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27V-XG4N
SHAW, HALES mmn TIPPER
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 237
Marriages Sep qtr 1862
Shaw James
TIPPER Annie Elizabeth
Cheadle 6b 332
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Just about to add that Tipper, then saw you had posted.
Found Rhoda, then Edith, as not sure if Hales might be under a different spelling.
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For the 1862 marriage details are...
James Shaw ....father William age 24
Annie Elizabeth Tipper.....father George age 23 address Brass Works Cheadle
Tazzie
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Just saw new post, but putting:
On marriage on F M P , James is age 24, a carter, father is William a collier. Her father is George, a labourer. Did not sign.
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1871
RG10/2873 f66 p6
Still as James Shaw
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KDDH-S93
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There is a baptism for a James Shaw with parents William and Hannah in April 1838 in same parish as marriage. William is a collier, and they were living 'near Major's barn'.
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At same parish, and same parents, also another James in 1840, and William in 1836. Addresses as 'near to..'
Several more children e.g. Edith 1828, Elizabeth 1832, Eliza 1834, Thomas 1830.
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http://www.staffordshirebmd.org.uk/ search births.....finds -
SHAW Samuel mms. MOORE 1890 Hanley Stoke-On-Trent
SHAW Catherine mms. MOORE 1893 Hanley Stoke-On-Trent
SHAW Margaret mms. MOORE 1894 Hanley Stoke-On-Trent
SHAW Tom mms. MOORE 1897 Hanley Stoke-On-Trent
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Thank you chempat, rosie99,tazzie and Wivenhoe
So James is William in earlier census and Ann E is his second marriage, or as Ann E married a William Shaw by 1901 ?
I have not found a birth for the parents for Robert or Tom, mothers maiden name would not show that early, looked for baptisms for them found nothing.
I did see the James and Ann (Tipper )Shaw family, only i thought it was another family and not the same as William and Ann E Shaw so gave up on it then.
Family Search was not working the other week when i tried it, so will look again,
I have not found a death as yet for a William Shaw, I will also look for a James Shaw also just in case it is under that
Where do the Moore family fit into it all.
Thank you
Jaz
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Births for Robert and Tom showing Mother's maiden name are here:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
You need to register (for free) to search for them.
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Hi chempat,
Thank you I will give it a try,
Jaz
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Thank you chempat, rosie99,tazzie and Wivenhoe
So James is William in earlier census and Ann E is his second marriage, or as Ann E married a William Shaw by 1901 ?
'William' is James on his marriage to Annie Elizabeth Tipper in 1862 - he is a bachelor so that is his first marriage. He is still married to her when you have him on census in 1901.
This is the information from 1871 in case you can't see the FS link I posted
James Shaw Head 35 bn Dilhorne, Staffordshire
Ann Elizabeth Shaw Wife 35 bn Fenton, Staffordshire
Hannah Shaw Dtr 6 bn Fenton, Staffordshire
Mary Ann Shaw Dtr 4 bn Cheadle, Staffordshire
William Shaw Son 2 bn Cheadle, Staffordshire
Sarah Jane Shaw Dtr 1 bn Fenton, Staffordshire
William Tippen Boarder 19 bn Cheadle, Staffordshire
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Hi rosie99,
Thank you,
Jaz