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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lancashire => England => Lancashire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: clemens on Monday 22 June 20 14:07 BST (UK)
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Greetings to everyone,
I am in Copenhagen, looking at my wife's ancestors. Two are giving me a problem. Engineer Samuel Hikins from -I believe - Liverpool and his wife Harriet from Central London (Sct. Pancras). He was a naval engineer and they came to Denmark at some point to help the aspiring Danish ship-building industry. I believe he was born in Liverpool 20 March 1801, she on Aug 20, 1803, both in England as I presume, and I think they married in South London. Their several children stayed mostly in England, and had a number of descendents, as did one daughter who married a Dane and lived in Copenhagen. The parents both died in 1877, buried in Copenhagen.
While I know my way around in a Danish genealogical context, I have no experience with UK possibilities. Somehow I like to avoid the commercial machinery which is overwhelming us, so I am trying this way.
All the best - and thank you for any help finding parents and marriage-date for these two people - very likeable by all accounts and members of the English Church in Copenhagen. :-)
Clemens S.Ostergaard
Copenhagen
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat :)
Familysearch have a 1860 Census for a Samuel Hikins and Harriet ? Bits (Bils?) https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.givenName=samuel&q.surname=hikens&m.defaultFacets=on&m.queryRequireDefault=on&m.facetNestCollectionInCategory=on&count=20&offset=0
Then there is this marriage, possible maybe? Added ...There are several treeswith this man in
on Ancestry with possible children ,some born Denmark.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V52H-Y67
Another image of marriage banns in Christchurch, Newgate , London give witnesses as Thomas and Ann Bill.
Best wishes
Cathy
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Welcome to rootschat
Are these their children - all with parents Samuel & Harriet
Mary Ann Baptised 15 Jun 1823 at Westminster
Caroline baptised 02 Jan 1825 at Southwark
Samuel baptised 09 Sep 1827 at Lambeth
Nancy Birth 24/03/1831 - Baptism 01 May 1831 at Southwark
Emma Baptised 04 Dec 1842 (born 1838) at Southwark
Births Dec qtr 1838
HIKINS Emma mmn BILL
St Pancras 1 244
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Could this be him
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14920530
Pages 68-69: Samuel Hikins;
Ship’s name: HMS Hermes;
Pay book number: SB 26;
Rank: 3rd Engineer;
Relation: Wife Harriott
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Hi Rosie and Cathy,
Thanks for your quick response. Yes, those are the children, one also became an engineer and lived in Lancashire. Emma married a ship-owner here in Copenhagen. And interesting to see him at work as an engineer on the HMS Hermes, thank you. He was at the naval shipyard here in Copenhagen.
I don't have familysearch. But an 1860 census ought to have him/them here in Copenhagen, about half a mile from where I am now. The marriage would likely have been around 1822, is that the case?
Best regards,
Clemens
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A public tree on Ancestry suggests the marriage of Samuel Gentleman Hicken and Harriet Bill on 7 July 1822, at Christ Church in the City of London. Seems likely.
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I don't have familysearch. But an 1860 census ought to have him/them here in Copenhagen, about half a mile from where I am now. The marriage would likely have been around 1822, is that the case?
Best regards,
Clemens
It is free to register with Familysearch :)
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Samuel Gentleman Hikin
Born 20 March 1800, Baptised 17 August 1800 at St Mary's in Whitechapel, London. Parents Joseph and Elizabeth Hikin, Lambeth Street
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Hi Shaun, ( & Co )
Thank you very much for your help. I was puzzled by the 1800 birth year, and had to check his gravestone, in the Navy Cemetery not far away. It has 1801, as I remembered, but the date is sure enough: 20 March. So either he had a good reason to make himself a year younger, or one of the sources is wrong.
But a bigger problem is the bride's Christian name Rachel. She could have Harriet as another, preferred name, of course. And 1822 is a very good year, since the first child is in June 1823. Also Emma's mother having Bill as her maiden name kind of settles it.:-) Isn't Bill a fairly uncommon surname, btw? (Apart from Buffalo Bill)
So it sounds very right, and I am very glad to have found Samuel's parents names, perhaps enabling me to go further. What helpful people you are,-Rosie and Cathy included here - I am quite overwhelmed. If I can be of help in finding your Viking ancestors, don't hesitate. OK, the censuses only start in 1787, and the church records often just before 1700. But still.
The witnesses at Christchurch, Newgate, are both named Bill. Would it be normal for the bride's parents to be witnesses, or is it more likely to be siblings? Any pointers on how to find her parents would be welcome. I have her photo, but not her place of birth.
So the Hikins most likely are both Londoners at that time, family tradition had Liverpool, but perhaps that might be further back, or during training as engineer.
Thanks again for your fast and useful help
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But a bigger problem is the bride's Christian name Rachel
It is Harriet ! I don't know how or why I typed "Rachel " when I was looking at the original image which clearly says "Harriet". My apologies for the mistranscription.
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If only all genealogical problems could be solved that easily.
But a tribute to Rachels everywhere ;)
Clemens
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Liverpool connection is interesting
I wonder if Joseph - Samuels father - had a brother Benjamin in Liverpool ??
Baptism: 31 Aug 1806 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Edward Hikin - Son of Benjamin Hikin & Catharine (formerly White)
Born: 7 Aug 1806
Abode: Argyle St.
Occupation: White Smith
probably a ship builder by trade - can I ask where you got info about Samuels Liverpool connection ??
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Thank you, an interesting possibility - (and I learned a new occupation, not every smith is a blacksmith..)
The Liverpool link was just a verbal comment by an old relation, when many years ago I first came across this English connection. I should have enquired.
But several of the children of the only son the couple had, Master Engineer Samuel Hikins, were born in Lancashire, so that speaks for a connection. Though it seems no one has been named after Benjamin, Catharine or Edward.
May I also ask, in this forum, about the adress given for Joseph Hikin, circa 1800: Lambeth Street. There is Lambeth Road, of Bedlam and later War Museum fame, and there is Lambeth High Street, more or less leading up to the Arch-bishop's palace. But no Lambeth Street?
And if a couple are living in Lambeth, but choose St. Marys at Whitechapel for the christening, - seemingly not their parish church, - could that be because of grandparents in Aldgate, for instance?
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It was Lambeth Street in Whitechapel.
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And so bombed away in the Blitz, but ran parallel to Leman Rd, east of it. St. Mary's quite close by.
I was led south of the river by three of the Hikins-children being christened in Southwark or Lambeth.