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William Warner Julius cook and steward aged 22 on ship White Star Census Sunday April 7th 1861. Any help or advice very much appreciated.
LinnettW
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What is it you are looking for?
Is this him?: http://www.thekingscandlesticks.com/webs/pedigrees/720.html
Jamjar
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What do you already know about him - so we don’t waste time duplicating info - and exactly what info are you looking for?
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This looks to be his bio www.thekingscandlesticks.com/webs/pedigrees/720.html
Added: Sorry, Jamjar! You had linked this already :P
The 1861 census entry you mention shows him born at St Kitts.
Monica
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Thank you all for your interest and replies. WW was born in St Kitts and that story is fairly deeply researched. I am interested in him in the census as a steward and cook and on the ship White Star. Some have the opinion that this was a naval ship but I have doubts because if it was everyone should have had their ratings marked on the form and where are the rest of the crew. There was a sister ship to the Titanic called White Star, and it sank off Ireland. Certainly would have had more crew than this small number. I look forward to any suggestions.
LinnettW
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Hull Advertiser and Exchange Gazette 11 May 1861 (and other newspapers)
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Thank you very much Mckha489 for your reply. I do think that you have sorted out the question as to William W Julius being in the Royal Navy or not. The census didn't come up to naval standards of name, rank, occupation etc and so few men. I think this is how he found his way to Australia. Again my thanks
LinnettW
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I always thought ( I could be wrong) that the White Star was the shipping LINE, and Titanic was one of the ships belonging to it? A very very distant relative had some involvement with the founding of the line, I believe.... (Mr H T Wilson)
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In that cutting I posted it Is the White star LINE but there is a SHIP mentioned called the White Star
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Thank you all for your interest and replies. WW was born in St Kitts and that story is fairly deeply researched. I am interested in him in the census as a steward and cook and on the ship White Star. Some have the opinion that this was a naval ship but I have doubts because if it was everyone should have had their ratings marked on the form and where are the rest of the crew. There was a sister ship to the Titanic called White Star, and it sank off Ireland. Certainly would have had more crew than this small number. I look forward to any suggestions.
Titanic had two sister ships (Olympic and Britannic), and neither of them sank off Ireland.
Britannic sank in the Mediterranean in 1916 after striking a mine.
All three ships belonged to the White Star Line, but this is some 50 years after your period of interest.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Star_Line#History
The first White Star Line company owned the ship White Star as per the newspaper ad. The later company took over the name in 1868.
So not a sister ship but possibly a great-grand-aunt.
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There were at least three Merchant vessels with the name WHITE STAR around in 1861.
This seems the most likly one.
WHITE STAR Official Number 1141, Built St John New Brunswick in 1854, 2339 toms, owned in 1861 by Wilson and Co. Liverpool. (Partner in the first White Star Line) Port of Registry Liverpool. Wrecked 24/12/1883.
Her 1861 Logbooks and Crew Agreements, which will tell you if your man was on board and should
give you details to where he signed on and was discharged.
These documents are stored in The National Maritime Museum, Greenwich. It seems they are closed at the moment due to Covid 19.
You should be able to obtain copies via this form whenever they reopen.
https://www.rmg.co.uk/national-maritime-museum/caird-library/crew-lists-agreements-official-logs-request-form
Be sure to ask for the Crew Agreement and Logbook covering the date 07/April 1861.
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To everyone who replied to my query about The White Star ship and W W Julius. I have appreciated your help and advice and I hopefully soon be one step further along the journey that W. W made from St Kitts to Australia.