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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: trystan on Sunday 14 June 20 09:36 BST (UK)
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Here we are faced with a virus which causes fatality for some, but there still in no vaccine, no treatment options. As the world eases itself outside again, shops are reopening.
So will you be hitting the shops now?
Will you stay at home and watch your neighbours come home with shopping bags full of goodies?
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From tomorrow, Monday 15th June, on the Isle of Man there sill no longer be a need for social distancing ;D
Shops will decide for themselves whether to keep any restrictions. Tesco (my local supermarket) is keeping some restrictions, but relaxing it's rules.
Non-essential shops have been allowed to open, with restrictions, for 2 weeks now.
It's been working well, in general.
True, some people really don't like one-way systems in shops, or having staff telling them whether they can enter shops.
But they can always vote with their feet, and stay home.
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There have been times in my life when I have looked forward to some retail therapy and in particular to browsing in bookshops and record shops. For me this is not such a time. I will continue to have my weekly visit to Tescos and otherwise avoid shops. Moreover since the one thing I would really like to do is to sit down in somewhere like Costa Coffee , have a cappuccino , do the crossword and watch the world go by is not on offer I will give the High Street a miss . Instead I will play some socially distanced golf!
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I won't be rushed off to the shops here in Hertfordshire.
In New Zealand, they waited for the virus to be eradicated before reopening anything.
My impression here is that the government is prepared to take a gamble on people's lives, in order to restart everything.
Romilly.
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It's a reasonable compromise - after all, without an economy there could not be a health service and many more people would die.
Without livelihoods the social problems in themselves would be catastrophic.
That's why we're encouraged to kick-start the country again by going out shopping.
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Where I live, where half the population is over 60, you wouldn't know there was a problem apart from the shops being closed. People are out and about as usual, walking dogs, talking to neighbours (from a distance) going to the supermarkets, the post office etc. Of course, we are miles from any towns or cities and the rate of deaths has been less than 5 per week since 1 January which I'm sure is not much more than the average for the local population. When you think that in a one mile radius of my home there are 27 care homes for elderly and/or mentally handicapped and not one of them has the virus. My husband's bowls club opened up again 2 weeks ago, although they are only allowed to play in pairs (one against the other) and on alternate bowling greens. I don't understand the alternate bowling greens because even if a bowler stood on the edge of a bowling green they would still be more than 2 metres from someone standing on the edge of the adjacent bowling green.
Personally, and I know others have different opinions, I think the whole thing has been totally mismanaged. The government was working quite sensibly until the media started panicking everyone and, of course, Boris getting the virus and having to go into hospital has rather coloured his view, when even he has said he knows that he was more ill than others around him, Matt Hancock for instance, because he is very overweight.
We were only 2 weeks behind Spain in the lockdown, yet in Spain everything seems to be back to normal. My grandson who lives in Madrid shared a photo of himself and about a dozen friends all sitting round a table having a meal and - as he says - in Spain you don't have your own meal on your own plate, everyone just dips in and out of the tapas.
Now we've got doctors saying in public what they've been saying in private for weeks, that many of the deaths recorded as Covid were not actually Covid at all. They had been pressurised into putting the virus as a cause of death on the death certificates, even if the patient hadn't been tested positive. Professor Karal Sikora said recently "Doctors were sometimes too eager to put Covid-19 on death certificates and that the virus would be mentioned on death certificates when there was "any hint" that it could have been the cause, without proof, as well as retrospectively over the phone".
He also said that the total number of deaths over the period, should be looked at and compared with what is normal to get the true number of extra deaths, possibly from Covid. In fact the number of deaths expected for June are already much lower than usual, probably because people with illnesses that would have caused their death over a few months actually died during the peak of the pandemic.
Of course, it could end up that more people have died because of lack of medical care directly caused by the unavailability of it, because the NHS has come to a shuddering halt. Hospitals have become mostly coronavirus-receiving stations and cancer patients are no longer a priority. It's been estimated that up to 60,000 cancer patients could unnecessarily die because of a lack of treatment or diagnosis. I heard of a man who with an operation on his lung had a 98% chance of living. His operation was cancelled and his family held his funeral a few weeks ago.
It's not only cancer, when my husband went out to buy his paper, he passed a cottage where a lady was sitting on a chair whilst dead heading her roses. My husband said that was a good way to garden. Her response was that she was supposed to have had a replacement hip operation but that it has been cancelled indefinitely and now she can barely stand, never mind walk. We've forgotten all the patients like this woman because of the panic that our media stirred up.
I had a routine follow up appt cancelled at my local hospital - I wasn't bothered about that as I already thought it was unnecessary, but I was due to have a repeat colonoscopy in June/July this year and received a letter from the hospital to tell me they wouldn't be sending me an appointment and they "hoped I wasn't too inconvenienced by this!". I don't think there will be too much of a problem as I have colonoscopies annually and can probably, safely, miss one out, but imagine if you have symptoms of cancer and you don't get an appt that you need and the hospital says it hopes you're not too inconvenienced.
I'll get off my soapbox now.
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Absolutely no to hitting the shops tomorrow. It's as much as I can do to go into a supermarket for milk at the moment. I order online as much as possible and will continue to do so until I feel "safe"
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I certainly won't be hitting the shops tomorrow, but that will be no different to what I did anyway. I hate shopping and can see no point in going just for the sake of it. I do most of my shopping on line and have done for years, unless I am away on holiday or at my caravan, when I do shop in the supermarket.
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No. I don’t want/need anything, other than a food shop on Wednesday.
I am vulnerable, having T1 diabetes anD reduced kidney function, and don’t believe a word that BoJo & Co say,
I have snatched an eye test appointment for Monday pm.
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Our shops are still closed but not a chance tbh. MY trip to the supermarket on Friday was bad enough. I had people hanging over me, touching me! People ignoring the one way system and boasting about it, no attempts to enforce it, absolutely zero consideration for personal space or that others may exist and have rights. I was so stressed by the time I finished I felt ill and in fact nearly walked out. So there's no chance I'm going to try and go shopping for fun. Anyway I don't have money to spend the way proper people do.
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I won’t be going shopping!
If my memory serves me correctly, on the last several occasions I went shopping before this malaise hit us, there was little or nothing I ever wanted to buy and everything I’ve needed since then, I’ve managed to have delivered.
I wonder what’ll come first, the gongs or the repecussions?
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I have snatched an eye test appointment for Monday pm.
Is that just a routine one Lisa? I didn't realise opticians were opening as well, I must see if mine is as my eye test is over due.
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It's a reasonable compromise - after all, without an economy there could not be a health service and many more people would die.
I do not think that it is a reasonable compromise, in fact I think that it is unreasonable to expect others to die so that we can go shopping.
Regards
Chas
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I have snatched an eye test appointment for Monday pm.
Is that just a routine one Lisa? I didn't realise opticians were opening as well, I must see if mine is as my eye test is over due.
Hi Jan...I have had an email from Boots where I get my eyes tested, to say they are open for appointments only.
I won't be rushing to go shopping as I don't need anything at the moment but will when the rush is over as I have two gifts cards from Mother's Day, I didn't want to spend them online as I want to support our local shops.
I can understand why people won't want to visit the shops because they feel it is too soon, but my Daughter and her Husband own their own shop which is very popular in the market town where they live and their order book is full. They have manged ok up to now, their staff have been furloughed but some of the contract workers have had to be laid off and they want them to get back to work as they don't want to lose them. They are open now with strict measures in place but my Daughter has to work from home as her two girls can't go to school until September.The economic impact for businesses will have far reaching consequences for a long time to come. So for many, it is a welcome step forward towards normality for them, their staff, and the flood victims who are without carpets, flooring and soft furnishings and are waiting for a fitting, their carpets have been stuck in the warehouse since lockdown.
Carol
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I only intend to do my usual weekly trip to Aldi or Tesco for groceries. There are a number of household items I could do with (that aren't available at those two stores) and at some point I will probably head into town to see if I can get them but I intend to see how the town shops cope and let the possible 'feeding frenzy' of shoppers off-the-leash die down a bit. Maybe in a week or two I might try it.
What I'm really looking forward to is being able to meet friends or family for coffee in Costa or Nero's - but that may be quite a while coming, yet! :'(
Stoney
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It's a reasonable compromise - after all, without an economy there could not be a health service and many more people would die.
Without livelihoods the social problems in themselves would be catastrophic.
That's why we're encouraged to kick-start the country again by going out shopping.
I agree Trystan, some people can get all they need from supermarkets but some cannot, we have a disabled granddaughter who desperately needs new shoes, she has worn the soles edges down so far there are holes in the shoes, that in turn affects her efforts to walk. If she cannot walk her life will be compromised at a later date when covid-19 is a faint memory to most.
We cannot order shoes online as she wears A.F.Os. and any shoes has to be big enough to take these as well as her feet (we have been waiting since April for a £50 refund for an earlier order we made for her).
There are many things that many if not most people think are not necessities but to some people they are vital to live a "normal" life.
As long as people are not forced to go back to work I see nothing wrong with all shops opening as long as they follow social distancing rules.
Cheers
Guy
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The problem is guy that so many people are completely ignoring it and touching other people even when they ask them not to. Personally I find that really rude even without covid. I think to open safely they need to be strict with social distancing and ask those who are determined to enforce themselves into other people's space to leave. These selfish people are ruining it for everyone because social distancing only works when everyone tries to do it.
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The problem is guy that so many people are completely ignoring it and touching other people even when they ask them not to. Personally I find that really rude even without covid. I think to open safely they need to be strict with social distancing and ask those who are determined to enforce themselves into other people's space to leave. These selfish people are ruining it for everyone because social distancing only works when everyone tries to do it.
I agree but if you use that as the measure of whether to open a shop or not even supermarkets would still be shut now as that group of people behave the same way when shopping in a supermarket.
Cheers
Guy
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I've added a Poll now, which should be interesting.
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I only wish Maplin Electronics hadn't gone bust, otherwise I'd have been very tempted to go in there. Especially so, that quite often it would normally be really quiet in there.
Trystan
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The problem is guy that so many people are completely ignoring it and touching other people even when they ask them not to. Personally I find that really rude even without covid. I think to open safely they need to be strict with social distancing and ask those who are determined to enforce themselves into other people's space to leave. These selfish people are ruining it for everyone because social distancing only works when everyone tries to do it.
I see that Boris Johnson is now considering reducing the social distancing to 1 metre. That is really about the distance that most people keep in "normal" times to avoid invading personal space.
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I suppose you could make a costume with kippers hanging down from it and try and build up a generous and audible flatulence skill. Oh, and stick rice crispies to your face to look like growths too for good measure.
That should create a good antisocial distance.
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I certainly won't be hitting the shops tomorrow, but that will be no different to what I did anyway. I hate shopping and can see no point in going just for the sake of it. I do most of my shopping on line and have done for years, unless I am away on holiday or at my caravan, when I do shop in the supermarket.
My views are similar to Groom. I avoid shopping at the best of times so feel no urge to hit the High Street any time soon.
That said, I do think it is important we start to develop what the new normal is going to look like. Schools and workplaces have to be allowed to find solutions to social distancing and to start rolling these out. I think once that starts to happen we can start to move to what our new normality will look and feel like. Life isn't going to be the same as it was, there will be spikes (for any number of reasons), and I think we should start to identify positives that have come out of the pandemic. It is time to re-evaluate how we live our lives - does working have to be done from an office? Should air travel go back to pre-pandemic levels? Should there be a limit to the number of tourists allowed in one area (think Venice etc) at any one time?
I do not trust Bojo, Hatt Mancock or the others. I think they are self-serving and do not understand the world outside their Westminster bubble. Therefore I do think that it is increasingly important that there is more transparency at government level, and that we the electorate hold our politicians to be accountable for their actions.
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I suppose you could make a costume with kippers hanging down from it and try and build up a generous and audible flatulence skill. Oh, and stick rice crispies to your face to look like growths too for good measure.
That should create a good antisocial distance.
Oh and don't forget to eat plenty of garlic ;D ;D
Carol
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I suppose you could make a costume with kippers hanging down from it and try and build up a generous and audible flatulence skill. Oh, and stick rice crispies to your face to look like growths too for good measure.
That should create a good antisocial distance.
So it was you I saw (and smelled) in Tescos the other day? ;D
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If you mean the one with the sardines dangling down from the Aussie cork hat, then yes that would have been me! :P
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I have snatched an eye test appointment for Monday pm.
I'd assumed opticians wouldn't be open. How can they do an eye test and still keep 2 metres (or even 1 metre) distance?
Mine is way overdue, so I'd love to know if they are opening.
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Lovely image, Trystan, I can just imagine ( and smell) it.
I've only done a weekly trip round the supermarket, picking the quietest time I can, with a list written in order of the aisles. Then I'm glad to scamper back to the car and get home.
I'd dearly love a swift visit to a garden centre for one or two little things, but I'm thinking I might well wait until everyone who has been all over the garden centres ( I've driven pastthe local ones, monitoring them) has decided to go on from them, and get all over the shopping centres ... then I might risk a short visit, in and out like a fat little flash, to get the bits to allow me to complete a few jobs in the garden.
I really can't see what, apart from "the Economy" ( i.e., the big bosses) will gain if we all go down with a second wave of Corvid 19. I'm sure also it's an attempt, by encouraging people back to work, to stop the cost of government having to spent our money - remember: they haven't any of their own - on furlough payments etc.
And Heaven help the many firms who have reached out gratefully for loans ... it'll soon be payback!!
TY
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I have snatched an eye test appointment for Monday pm.
I'd assumed opticians wouldn't be open. How can they do an eye test and still keep 2 metres (or even 1 metre) distance?
Mine is way overdue, so I'd love to know if they are opening.
I have mine tested at Boots and have had an email saying that they are open for appointments only.
Carol
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I was phoned by mine at end of May, saying the appointment was cancelled, but they hoped to release some on 15th June. Looked today online and three were available.
I will be wearing my mask.
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The trouble with shopping is that you’re likely to pick up (and take home) something that’s previously been handled, sniffed at and coughed over by who knows how many people; any of whom may have the dreaded virus.
There are some interesting shops in Barnard Castle though!
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It's not relevant if you don't trust some government or other. It's now down to free will, freedom to choose:
The shops are opening, will you be going to them? It's your choice.
What do you look forward to buying?
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It's not relevant if you don't trust some government or other. It's now down to free will, freedom to choose:
The shops are opening, will you be going to them? It's your choice.
What do you look forward to buying?
A haircut. Nothing else.
Rishile
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The problem is guy that so many people are completely ignoring it and touching other people even when they ask them not to. Personally I find that really rude even without covid. I think to open safely they need to be strict with social distancing and ask those who are determined to enforce themselves into other people's space to leave. These selfish people are ruining it for everyone because social distancing only works when everyone tries to do it.
I see that Boris Johnson is now considering reducing the social distancing to 1 metre. That is really about the distance that most people keep in "normal" times to avoid invading personal space.
And that's the distance the rest of Europe has been using throughout the pandemic, it's also the distance the scientists recommended, so why we had to go further is anyone's guess. Again I think it's because Boris became ill with the virus and needed intensive care.
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It might also be because we have so many obese people here, many with diabetes.
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It might also be because we have so many obese people here, many with diabetes.
You can say that again - and across all generations :-X
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A haircut. Nothing else.
Rishile
Even that I have done at home. Usually the hairdresser goes to my sister's house and the whole family, about 10, of us meet there and she does us en masse. Been doing that for years, she brings her two children and they play with my niece's children. We will have to rethink that and she will have to come to us separately. Luckily, for us, as well as doing private clients, she also does care homes, so I don't suppose she will be allowed there yet, so hopefully as soon as the go ahead is given we can get an appointment.
I see today's deaths are 36, I hope that doesn't make people complacent, as tomorrow or Tuesday when the reporting catches up, they will be much higher.
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A haircut. Nothing else.
Rishile
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I see today's deaths are 36, I hope that doesn't make people complacent, as tomorrow or Tuesday when the reporting catches up, they will be much higher.
That set me thinking, the number of excess deaths is also useful but they are a fortnight behind.
Why, if rootschat can keep a real-time total of the number of replies to all the different topics, surely registrars and the ons ought to be able to keep a running total of deaths with and without Covid 19.
Maybe they have not heard of computers ;D >:(
Mike
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The shops are opening, will you be going to them? It's your choice.
What do you look forward to buying?
No. I shopped last year. Most of what I bought will last me a long time.
I may need new sandals or a tube of glue to fix current sandals + a pair of soft & comfy shoes to wear indoors & wandering back & forth between house & garden. The pair I'm wearing are done.
I'd like to do the rounds of the charity shops, whichever have survived, to drop stuff off and see if they have anything I want to buy - more scarves, stuff to cut up to make washable masks.
I'll have to walk into town & back as I'll be avoiding buses so couldn't carry a lot.
Nicola S. says we should wear masks in shops. I don't want to be in a mask-wearing world.
My habit of leaving purchases in a bag which I put aside and forget about has now got a name - quarantining. Instead of going shopping I could just hunt around the house. I found 3 pairs of unworn slippers last time.
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Lizzie reply'#5 I don't think Karal Sikora is typical of doctors. He's been critical of NHS for a while, favouring an insurance based system. He's an oncologist.
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A haircut. Nothing else.
Rishile
Managed to get a hair cut at a house 2 doors away!
She did an excellent job ;D ;D
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A haircut. Nothing else.
Rishile
Managed to get a hair cut at a house 2 doors away!
She did an excellent job ;D ;D
Maybe I should try the house 2 doors away from me then ;D ;D ;D
Rishile
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The chap in the house two doors away from me fits carpets - if I went to him for a haircut my hair would be more of a rug.
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But then you get this:
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/14/six-thousand-people-attend-two-illegal-raves-greater-manchester
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Well looking at that poll so far, the shops won't be crowded as 90% of us won't be rushing there!
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So that means we should go there then. ;D
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I'm in France, in one of the regions which was very badly affected (Haut-Rhin), and for now I'm limiting my shopping to the local supermarket, even though other shops have now reopened. Anything else I can buy online or do without!
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I have to say I'm not that keen on going to any shops at the moment...
Don't need any new clothes as had a small shopping spree in early February.. and as there's no where to go out to I'll stick with what I've got...
My hairdresser called me a couple of weeks ago and I've an appointment on 10th July... will see how things are by then... I cut my OH's hair on Saturday and he decided I'd done such a good job he's not going to bother going back to the barbers!
We have dental appointments early July but I'm definitely not comfortable with that so may cancel and leave until later in the year...
If the library were to open I'd return the book I still have since lockdown...
I'm just going to stick to C & C shopping, ordering from the butchers, baking our own bread and visiting the local excellent green grocers... keep our local small shops going..
Caroline
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Speaking from Victoria, Australia here. Each state is on a different timeline, but I am not in a rush to go shopping. It is also winter here so I normally limit outings during this time anyway. I have supermarket shopped, but can manage with the clothes I have.
As for library books Caw1 I had four when they closed down. They then offered to send us books if we told them the genre we liked or picked specific titles. I now have 12 books and am terrified that I will miss one when I take them back. I wish they would let me return them.
So no I’m not rushing out to the shops.
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Like many others in recent years we rarely go on a shopping trip away from local shops. We are very lucky living a few miles from a small market town where the limited shopping has been very civilised and if I can't buy something there I buy online or use click and collect. I recently had my first unavoidable visits to the chemist and post office which felt OK and friendly.
When we do need somthing I will try to support the local small shops - some deliver including the butcher/deli and this week will phone the wonderful woman who runs the shoe shop to see if she has replacements for some we bought from her. Hopefully I can pay on the phone and collect
We have cut each others hair for years so that isn't a problem. Eating out and having a delayed operation will be the biggest issues amd will hopefully be a long way in the future
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I was wandering round my local town at just gone 8am this morning and there were about 25 people already queueing outside H&M.
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I know the local shopping arcades and centres will be choc a bloc this morning, I will not venture to them till things settle a bit more, I would rather walk along the prom but no doubt that is crowded right now, I will just sit tight till things get back to near normal, if ever
Louisa Maud
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I was wandering round my local town at just gone 8am this morning and there were about 25 people already queueing outside H&M.
Just looking at pictures on social media, really put me off the idea of going shopping, Hypothetical mind you as the shops are still closed here. Our tip is reopening here today and I have a shed full of stuff but I'm waiting as I know that it will be queued out.
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I have only been in town twice in 12 weeks and just to the bank will certainly not be venturing in to any shops for a long time yet ...Happy to continue with online shopping and the slots are getting a bit more available now ;)
Rosie
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I only managed 1 slot, never found out what time they get released even though I was clocking on at all hours so I had to go shopping but I was sensible
Louisa Maud
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Up our way in Scotland Morrison's are doing free delivery at the moment which is a saving ..I have managed to get one nearly every week so very lucky indeed :D
Rosie
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As I've mentioned before I work in the retail arena, and will have to get out there to see exactly what different retailers are doing.
I shall be suitably masked etc and obviously social distancing.
Not intending to go in the first few days though - it will be interesting to see whether people are encouraged by the queues (oh, it's not just me, then, wanting to shop) or discouraged (oh I can't be bothered, I'll order it online).
Very torn between the risk of a second bulge of C-19 and supporting people trying to get their businesses working, when there is often little other financial support for them, and risk of bankruptcy and unemployment.
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I was wandering round my local town at just gone 8am this morning and there were about 25 people already queueing outside H&M.
Just looking at pictures on social media, really put me off the idea of going shopping, Hypothetical mind you as the shops are still closed here. Our tip is reopening here today and I have a shed full of stuff but I'm waiting as I know that it will be queued out.
Our local tips have been open a couple of weeks now but they are appointment only, you can only go in car and just one person is allowed out of it which makes getting rid of any big items impossible.
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It might also be because we have so many obese people here, many with diabetes.
Really? When I was in the UK a couple of years ago I thought everyone looked so slim, but I was concerned about the amount of vaping.
But maybe it was just the people out and about using public transport who were slim, and others who were staying home weren't so slim?
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They were probably the overseas students and tourists!
We're a nation of fatties. 64% of adults in the UK are overweight or clinically obese.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01plg/
Trystan
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As I've mentioned before I work in the retail arena, and will have to get out there to see exactly what different retailers are doing.
I shall be suitably masked etc and obviously social distancing.
Not intending to go in the first few days though - it will be interesting to see whether people are encouraged by the queues (oh, it's not just me, then, wanting to shop) or discouraged (oh I can't be bothered, I'll order it online).
Very torn between the risk of a second bulge of C-19 and supporting people trying to get their businesses working, when there is often little other financial support for them, and risk of bankruptcy and unemployment.
I want to support business but I can't really afford to shop. I have to say I fall firmly into the queues would put me off, I don't mind waiting to facilitate social distancing but queuing up over an hour before opening. If I had the money and was going to shop I'd be waiting
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They were probably the overseas students and tourists!
We're a nation of fatties. 64% of adults in the UK are overweight or clinically obese.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01plg/
Trystan
I think our obesity stats are worse here. We've not had a new case for over 20 days.
I'm still not keen to get to close to anyone but my husband was with over 30,000 specators at a rugby match on Sunday. I missed the game but saw the C130 flyover from the clothesline.
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How nice, our window cleaner has been :D
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The chap in the house two doors away from me fits carpets - if I went to him for a haircut my hair would be more of a rug.
;D
Trystan, 2 months ago you didn't want people 70+ stepping out the door to go to a local shop, now you want them to hit the High Street.
Are markets open?
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Did my fortnightly shop at Tesco this morning, in the same complex is a Sports Direct store and I counted no less than 37 people in varying degrees of social distance queued outside, when I pushed my trolly out of Tescos about an hour later, the tail end charlies I had noticed in the Sports Direct queue had just about made it to the top of said queue.
I couldn't help but wonder, why would people queue for an hour to get into a sports shop? Queuing at a supermarket for food and toiletries etc., yes. But why queue for track suit bottoms or trainers? As opposed to ordering online. Or as opposed to simply coming back another day, when the queue would be shorter? Their choice of course, but I don't understand them.
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Been to the shoe shop this morning in and out in 10 minutes tops, went by myself but took one of our granddaughters shoes with me. They had the same shoe in stock so I bought that knowing they would fit her (the shoes have to fit the AFOs (splits) not her feet) so no problems there.
Very relieved these will last another 3 months unless she is called in for new AFOs then it will likely be treking round almost every shoe shop in the local towns trying to find a shoe to fit the new size and shape of the AFOs.
When she was younger we would often have to buy two pairs of shoes at the same time as the AFOs are hand made and often one was larger than the other meaning different shoe sizes.
Cheers
Guy
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PRIMARK.
It is beyond my understanding as to why people have been queueing for hours waiting for the shop to open
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PRIMARK.
It is beyond my understanding as to why people have been queueing for hours waiting for the shop to open
They obviously have nothing better to do with their time. Empty vessels!
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I went to the local Iceland, Superdrug and Poundland and there were no queues, all were almost deserted, so was the carpark.
rayard.
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Just seen a picture of the queue outside a central London store - ridiculous!
What do people not understand about social distancing? Why aren't the shops policing the queues? They'll moan soon enough if another 3 month lockdown is enforced when a new spike of Covid-19 comes along.
I'm staying home for the time being.
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Just seen a picture of the queue outside a central London store - ridiculous!
What do people not understand about social distancing? Why aren't the shops policing the queues? They'll moan soon enough if another 3 month lockdown is enforced when a new spike of Covid-19 comes along.
I'm staying home for the time being.
I agree. One slightly positive aspect to all this shopping, demonstrating, rioting etc is that - surely - if we don't get a second spike in a couple of weeks following all that, then we can consider ourselves in the clear, for now.
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Some piccies
https://www.theguardian.com/business/gallery/2020/jun/15/shops-reopen-across-england-lockdown-eases-in-pictures
Add - and some here:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/gallery/2020/jun/15/happy-shoppers-and-migratory-birds-mondays-best-photos
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I've studied the pics Gadget posted, and I can't see anything but young adults doing the shopping. No oldies.
I'm happy for them to put lockdown easing to the test for the rest of us, as that's obviously the way its panning out.
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Trystan, 2 months ago you didn't want people 70+ stepping out the door to go to a local shop, now you want them to hit the High Street.
Are markets open?
3 months ago, over 70s were told not to as they are more vulnerable to this. A person (old or young) nipping out to the local shop to just get a newspaper every day probably hadn't made the best decision they'd make that day.
No, I've not said I want over 70s to hit the high street. If they want to, they can, but are aware of the risks. It's freedom of choice. In the same way they have the freedom of choice to start smoking or eating huge mounds of cream cakes every day. Just because we're allowed to do something doesn't necessarily mean it's a great idea.
We do however need to restart civilization across this planet, and like good humans we are we have taken on risks since the days we crawled out of our caves.
Yes, some markets are open. A local one to here has a one-way system.
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I'm not a shopper and I, as sure as God made little apples, would not queue to shop in any shop, anywhere at anytime. However, if I considered it necessary I would go shopping.
My wife took herself off to our local Tesco store for the first time since early March. Upon her return she pronounced all was good, sanitising equipment etc., entry and exit through different doors, no-one going the wrong way against the one way system, no-one not "social distancing" but there were few people only in store. She was home in next to no time. I thought she would be away for hours, spent queuing mainly.
Not for me though, queue or no queue.
I started cutting the hedge for the second time this year. I'd rather do that thank you. I haven't voted because my would be choice isn't there - "only if necessary".
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Almost forgot - our favourite local bakers opens this week. Our order for four of our favourite loaves is already in and will be collected by us on Wednesday.
:) :)
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3 months ago, over 70s were told not to as they are more vulnerable to this.
Not quite true, they were never told to stay at home, only advised. The people who were told to stay at home were those who received letters telling them to shield for 12 weeks. These people are still told to stay in, whereas over 70s who live alone are now allowed to form a "bubble" with family or friends and don't even have to keep to social distancing with that group. Those shielding included a lot of young people who suffer from various illnesses.
A lot of over 70s had no choice but to go out to Supermarkets as they were unable to get slots. Unless they were on the Government's list for shielding, they were not entitled to priority slots or the food boxes.
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I'd dearly love a swift visit to a garden centre for one or two little things, but I'm thinking I might well wait until everyone who has been all over the garden centres ( I've driven pastthe local ones, monitoring them) has decided to go on from them, and get all over the shopping centres ... then I might risk a short visit, in and out like a fat little flash, to get the bits to allow me to complete a few jobs in the garden.
TY
TY, have just caught up on this thread. I haven't been to any shops since before the start of the lockdown but like you I really wanted to go to the garden centre. Our local one is a nurseries rather than one of those huge places that sells lots of other stuff besides plants. I timed my visit for a day when it was cold and wet as I thought there wouldn't be people browsing like they do when the weather is nice. I was right, there were very few people there and although I was really nervous when I set off I was fine when I got there, everything in place for social distancing. Got what I wanted, paid by card and off I went. So maybe you could time your visit for when the weather is otherwise disappointing. Good luck :)
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We have been doing all our grocery shopping via Asda Click and Collect.
Early on I went into a Coop once to get essentials as Asda hadn't included milk in our click and collect that week. They had red squares marked on the floor. I went into a Tesco Express once, and an Iceland once for the same reasons. Each time there were things that I felt could have been safer so I avoided them after that.
I went to the door of a local butchers twice, and managed to get contactless service there, but the third time a customer shouted under my arm to the butcher. That was it. The butcher got the chop.
So apart from those six occasions, absolutely everything that has kept us in sustenance (even my medication) for the last three months (or however long it's been now) has been click and collect, or delivered or in the case of the newspaper - via online subscription.
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I'd dearly love a swift visit to a garden centre for one or two little things, but I'm thinking I might well wait until everyone who has been all over the garden centres ( I've driven pastthe local ones, monitoring them) has decided to go on from them, and get all over the shopping centres ... then I might risk a short visit, in and out like a fat little flash, to get the bits to allow me to complete a few jobs in the garden.
TY
TY, have just caught up on this thread. I haven't been to any shops since before the start of the lockdown but like you I really wanted to go to the garden centre. Our local one is a nurseries rather than one of those huge places that sells lots of other stuff besides plants. I timed my visit for a day when it was cold and wet as I thought there wouldn't be people browsing like they do when the weather is nice. I was right, there were very few people there and although I was really nervous when I set off I was fine when I got there, everything in place for social distancing. Got what I wanted, paid by card and off I went. So maybe you could time your visit for when the weather is otherwise disappointing. Good luck :)
My local independent garden centre has got bookable slots on their website - I believe only 3 customers are allowed within a hour long slot. that is for those who like to browse. If you know what you want, they will put your order together for a click and collect.
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I'm really looking for a new passionflower, the hardiest model possible, as mine curled up it's leaves and died in the frosts earlier this year. Oh, and a new small cast aluminium sort of trowel - I had one, single piece casting, small, slender and wonderfully useful, but it's vanished. -Oh, and I could do with something to get rid of the ghastly green gloopy hair-like stuff that seems to be infesting my big pond this year, again. I thought the barley straw "bags" I'd used in past years had eradicated ity, but - no, it's reared it 'orrible tresses again.
TY
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I'm really looking for a new passionflower, the hardiest model possible, as mine curled up it's leaves and died in the frosts earlier this year.
TY
That'll be like the one that I've fought to get rid of ever since a friend gave me a cutting a few years ago. It was taking over the garden, I chopped loads off it but off it's going again, strangling everything within its reach. Be careful what you wish for TY!
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As some of you know, my daughter has been seriously ill, but had her surgery - scheduled for 26 March - postponed. She's been home since then, in a precarious state of health, and surviving on a diet which consists almost exclusively of rich tea biscuits. (And here I have to say huge thanks to Jan (Groom) for sending a goodly consignment thereof as I've been having trouble sourcing them.) Thus, my daughter is shielding and I'm not going far either, other than occasionally to venture to our local v small Co-op in the village, but with most of our groceries delivered by Asda (thank you Asda, you are life-savers.).
This morning I snuck out for the 8am geriatrics shopping experience at our Co-op, and normally it is an orderly affair, in that I'm the only one there. But today there were - gasp - younger people in the shop paying no attention whatsoever to social distancing. There was I clutching my list - all written down in order of appearance knowing I couldn't retrace my steps in the cramped aisles with one-way traffic. A young man was in front of me, so I stopped and waited until he moved on. Then a younger woman appeared behind me and went to push past. I jumped out of the way and said "Can you keep your distance please?" to which she replied crossly, "Well are you going to move, or are you just going to stand there?". I pointed out that I was waiting for the customer in front to move, so I could go forward, and she started rolling her eyes and huffing and sighing deeply as though I had lost my reason. So I turned her into a frog. That'll teach her.
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Then a younger woman appeared behind me and went to push past. I jumped out of the way and said "Can you keep your distance please?" to which she replied crossly, "Well are you going to move, or are you just going to stand there?". I pointed out that I was waiting for the customer in front to move, so I could go forward, and she started rolling her eyes and huffing and sighing deeply as though I had lost my reason. So I turned her into a frog. That'll teach her.
Well that toad her.
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Well that toad her.
;D ;D ;D
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Many thanks . :P
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Then a younger woman appeared behind me and went to push past. I jumped out of the way and said "Can you keep your distance please?" to which she replied crossly, "Well are you going to move, or are you just going to stand there?". I pointed out that I was waiting for the customer in front to move, so I could go forward, and she started rolling her eyes and huffing and sighing deeply as though I had lost my reason. So I turned her into a frog. That'll teach her.
Well that toad her.
Wish that was actually possible. When I went for bread the other day a woman went the wrong way down the one way system and proudly announced "I actually need to go the other way but it's more important to use my right to freedom of expression". I wish I had rights, not to go the wrong way but I'd like to have the right to be safe.
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Then a younger woman appeared behind me and went to push past. I jumped out of the way and said "Can you keep your distance please?" to which she replied crossly, "Well are you going to move, or are you just going to stand there?". I pointed out that I was waiting for the customer in front to move, so I could go forward, and she started rolling her eyes and huffing and sighing deeply as though I had lost my reason.
Wish that was actually possible. When I went for bread the other day a woman went the wrong way down the one way system and proudly announced "I actually need to go the other way but it's more important to use my right to freedom of expression". I wish I had rights, not to go the wrong way but I'd like to have the right to be safe.
Greensleeves. if it is a time meant for older or vulnerable people, have you drawn it to the attention of management?
Pharma, your right to be safe trumps the right of the other woman.
I admit that I have occasionally walked the wrong way up an aisle, usually by mistake. If I've done it deliberately it's because I've forgotten an item from that aisle and only if there are no other customers around.
I waited for a young man ahead of me to move from where he was standing, alternatively contemplating sandwiches and his phone, until I gave up on the remainder of that aisle.
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"Did" the weekly supermarket this morning - the barriers outside have been re-jigged, thus the walk is twice as long, looping round on itself, but I supposed that as there was just me there, walking briskly, it counted as exercise?
Inside: there'll always be idiots, and from time to time I've been that idiot, backtracking for cream after seeing some luscious English strawberries that OH would love! (I don't eat them at all, but he delights in good ones)
-But I do try to do it efficiently and safely. It's the staff on the shop floor I feel really sorry for, you'd have thought I gave one girl a birthday present when I stood back and gestured her and the stock trolley through, poor lass. I got a lovely smile and a thank you that sped me round rest of the "ordeal by shelves".
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Yippity yip yip yip I got a Tesco home delivery slot, next Tuesday afternoon...gosh the excitement 😁😁.
Sad really but this is the first time I’ve been successful since lockdown. I’m not hitting the high street, by that I mean town or supermarket shopping and I shall continue to shop locally for perishables.
The scenes at beaches again today make me want to cry. So many of us have and are being so careful and those mindless idiots could be throwing the country back into crises 😢
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Agree about the beaches suey...
The other important point to remember is that no public toilets are open, and so one doesn’t want to dwell on what they left behind, - in addition to the litter:-(
Romilly.
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Have said this before but if people can flock shoulder to shoulder to the beach they could be back at work at a reasonable distance, the pictures in the papers today made me very annoyed, yes, most of us have behaved sensibly, us over 70' s are still meant to be sensible yet the youngsters let us down
My delivery due tomorrow, only second delivery during lockdown, think I have discovered when slots are released!!
Louisa Maud
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Had no problems shopping in Bournemouth yesterday and today. Know why now all either on the beach spreading the virus or gridlocked! Now have proof that a large percentage of the population are terminally stupid. Long suspected it.
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Redroger, what evidence have you that large crowds in the open air spread viruses? There is ample evidence from Europe that this is not the case and the recent BLM demonstrations in the UK and elsewhere clearly also indicate that this is not the case. So what is so different about Bournemouth? Describing your fellow citizens as "terminally stupid" is not only hugely insulting but flies in the face of real data.
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Redroger, what evidence have you that large crowds in the open air spread viruses? There is ample evidence from Europe that this is not the case and the recent BLM demonstrations in the UK and elsewhere clearly also indicate that this is not the case. So what is so different about Bournemouth? Describing your fellow citizens as "terminally stupid" is not only hugely insulting but flies in the face of real data.
The data isn't conclusive for what has happened in the UK. The main rush of BLM protests were 18 days ago. The incubation period is 14 days (although some people can show symptoms in 5 days). Demographically the BLM protesters were skewed towards the younger age groups. Yes, I know not exclusively. These are the age groups where very mild symptoms or more problematically asymptomatic spread could occur. This would mean a lower chance of diagnosis in these groups. They could have become infectious as late as 6 days ago. If they have spread the illness to their parents, grandparents, keyworkers and those doing essential shopping are unlikely to start showing symptoms for another 8 days yet, then if they seek testing at least 2 more days before any positive results start showing on the stats. Given the average progression of the disease those who end up requiring hospitalisation don't present until 5-9 days post onset of symptoms which can be relatively mild at first. So whilst the data is promising and I hope that a new peak has not been triggered it cannot be said that the data so far is conclusive. If numbers continue to fall or at least stabilise over the next 15 days then I will feel a lot more comfortable. We are not out of the woods yet. We must also note when comparing to European data that they had lower levels of circulating virus when groups started congregating. Also many of them have significantly more efficient test treat and isolate systems than we do allowing them to nip new clusters in the bud a lot more easily.
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Redroger, what evidence have you that large crowds in the open air spread viruses? There is ample evidence from Europe that this is not the case and the recent BLM demonstrations in the UK and elsewhere clearly also indicate that this is not the case. So what is so different about Bournemouth? Describing your fellow citizens as "terminally stupid" is not only hugely insulting but flies in the face of real data.
Terminally stupid, sounds about right.
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My habit of leaving purchases in a bag which I put aside and forget about has now got a name - quarantining. Instead of going shopping I could just hunt around the house. I found 3 pairs of unworn slippers last time.
The stay-at-home non-shopping spree has yielded results.
Footwear dept., a pair of hiking boots still in box + yet more slippers. (No sandals or comfy shoes which is what I need.)
2 pairs PJs, 1 with matching eye-mask which I can redeploy as a face-mask
A pretty pack-away waterproof jacket. I possess mix'n'match rainwear ensembles appropriate for most feasts & festivals - St. David's, St. Patrick's, St. George's and St. Andrew's Days, Twelfth of July and similar Orange occasions. I can blend in anywhere, so long as it's raining. All my wellies have had compliments.
Bags.
A pasta pot set - family and small. I must have bought it from a catalogue. 2 handles on each, lockable strainer lid. Excited about this find. Washed them and made a big pot of pasta on Saturday, enough for 2 days. Lost a few pasta pieces because I hadn't locked the lid properly.
Towels, posh, fluffy, for non-existent guests.
A throw; washed yesterday and now on sofa.
Books.
I've not yet turned up a diamond necklace or a designer handbag. :)
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Had no problems shopping in Bournemouth yesterday and today. Know why now all either on the beach spreading the virus or gridlocked! Now have proof that a large percentage of the population are terminally stupid. Long suspected it.
So right
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Agree about the beaches suey...
The other important point to remember is that no public toilets are open, and so one doesn’t want to dwell on what they left behind, - in addition to the litter:-(
Romilly.
Pictures here showing what they left behind.
https://www.facebook.com/cllrlauramiller/
Picked up by local volunteers yet again
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I also agree!
I don't understand why the UK borders weren't closed to ALL travelers, back in March.
I don't understand why emergency legislation wasn't passed to make it an offence not to follow isolation rules.
And followed by arrests, fines and, when necessary, goal terms.
ALL of the above happened on the Isle of Man ;D
Result: the island has eradicated Covid-19.
It also looks like we will get an Air Corridor, between IOM and Guernsey.
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The people who flocked to the beaches over the last couple of days should be ashamed of themselves, not only the rubbish they left behind but sitting shoulder to shoulder with people they didn't know in most cases and who knows who is a carrier, get them back to work ASAP in my opinion
Louisa Maud
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The people who flocked to the beaches over the last couple of days should be ashamed of themselves, not only the rubbish they left behind but sitting shoulder to shoulder with people they didn't know in most cases and who knows who is a carrier, get them back to work ASAP in my opinion
Louisa Maud
Because at best they don't care if we sicken and die at worst they actually want us to.
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What I don't understand is why so many people, most of whom seemed to be of working age (or their children) according to pictures I have seen, were on the beach on a weekday in what would ordinarily have been school term time. I know only limited numbers of year groups should be back at school now, but what about home schooling - I suspect many parents haven't bothered at all and just expect their teachers to ensure they catch up whenever schools return to near normality.
And are all the parents on furlough, "working from home" or sadly been made redundant. It was estimated 1/2 a million visitors came to Dorset including Bournemouth yesterday. That's just over 0.9% of the population of England (pop based on 53,107,169 as per 2011 census).
This half million extra people flooding in is more than the total population of Dorset which was 426,516 in 2018 (latest figure I have found). Is it any wonder that the infrastructure cannot cope and the local council had to declare a major incident yesterday.
With all the people on the beach, I expect it was relatively safe to go shopping in the Lansdowne, Square or Christchurch road (to get back to topic)!
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What I don't understand is why so many people, most of whom seemed to be of working age (or their children) according to pictures I have seen, were on the beach on a weekday in what would ordinarily have been school term time. I know only limited numbers of year groups should be back at school now, but what about home schooling - I suspect many parents haven't bothered at all and just expect their teachers to ensure they catch up whenever schools return to near normality.
And are all the parents on furlough, "working from home" or sadly been made redundant. It was estimated 1/2 a million visitors came to Dorset including Bournemouth yesterday. That's just over 0.9% of the population of England (pop based on 53,107,169 as per 2011 census).
This half million extra people flooding in is more than the total population of Dorset which was 426,516 in 2018 (latest figure I have found). Is it any wonder that the infrastructure cannot cope and the local council had to declare a major incident yesterday.
With all the people on the beach, I expect it was relatively safe to go shopping in the Lansdowne, Square or Christchurch road (to get back to topic)!
I personally finished up for annual leave on Wednesday night, I've been working all lockdown. That being said I have absolutely no intention of going to the beach or shopping (other than for bread, milk etc).
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All of this is beginning to depress me to be honest, I get a daily paper, pages and pages of these idiots on the beach and the riots again, if there is another outbreak it won't be their fault will it?, blame it on to someone else, like the Govt.
I feel I have been fairly upbeat about all of this even though my husband was ill to start with but not so now, can't even go on holiday, seems to me the over 70's in the main have been doing what they were asked to do and still doing it, it is the younger generation who are spoiling it .
Louisa Maud
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I'm only 42. I have been to work because I have to. I have been to the supermarket for food because I am not entitled to priority delivery I ahve planned it carefully to try and ensure that I do it as infrequently as possible. I wear a mask and use hand sanitiser when I do go shopping. I have been in my garden. I did try and go a walk a few times but people wouldn't respect social distancing so I gave up on that. I haven't had any visitors, my younger daughter as been to keyworker childcare because she is too young to be left alone meaning I had no choice. I haven't visited anyone, only one night I walked down to my mum's and waved through the window, no physical contact. I did speak to a neighbour yesterday but I was standing in my drive and she was across the other side of the road. So I think I have pretty much kept to the rules.
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I don't understand why the UK borders weren't closed to ALL travelers, back in March.
Because:-
a) Many of the people still travelling were people returning 'home'. Closing your borders and preventing your own citizens (and people who have made their home here) repatriating themselves would have been unthinkable.
As it was, there were people who had chosen to go and live in a different country who were bitterly complaining that the UK Government wasn't providing repatriation flights free of charge. I don't remember very many media headlines supporting the Government's stance, and cannot imagine any of them would have supported the Government in saying 'Keep out'.
b) The virus was already widespread in the UK population. It was already far too late to close the borders to keep the virus out. At that point, having a handful of additional cases arriving in the UK from elsewhere makes no difference - especially if they are people arriving from a place where the infection rate is lower.
I don't understand why emergency legislation wasn't passed to make it an offence not to follow isolation rules.
And followed by arrests, fines and, when necessary, goal terms.
It was.
But the issue was, and will always be, how do you enforce the rules without making the situation worse?
There were people demanding that prisoners be released to prevent them all dying in prison - in that situation how do you go about rounding up rulebreakers and throwing them in gaol? What happens when the first elderly person you've flung in gaol for breaking the rules then dies from CV-19?
Hardline enforcement of the rules would have lead to protest and possibly riot - the very opposite outcome to the one you wanted.
ALL of the above happened on the Isle of Man ;D
Result: the island has eradicated Covid-19.
The Isle of Man is very fortunate in terms of geography, demographics and economics. Ditto some other places such as the Channel Islands.
There are many people in mainland UK who dearly wish we were more like you in that regard.
In mainland UK these people are typically called Xenophobes, Racists, Bigots, Gammons, Thick, etc etc.
And what worked for the Isle of Man wouldn't have worked for mainland UK.
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Pharma, I know you have been working, lots had to and still abided by the rules as you have, it is the idiots who flock in droves to the beaches and riot and mix more that the allotted space that worries , I admire anyone who had to work to keep things going, lots had no choice possibly like yourself
Take care
Louisa Maud
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Pharma, I know you have been working, lots had to and still abided by the rules as you have, it is the idiots who flock in droves to the beaches and riot and mix more that the allotted space that worries , I admire anyone who had to work to keep things going, lots had no choice possibly like yourself
Take care
Louisa Maud
Well I did have a choice. I could either keep going to work or not go and get the sack for gross misconduct so would not have had any help, that would mean eviction once the protection lifts, no food on the table and full bankruptcy so not much of a choice at all really.
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Part of the problem was the 3000 Milan fans who were allowed to watch their team play Liverpool... though they weren't allowed to watch their team play at home because Milan was at the epicentre of the initial outbreak in Lombardy . Also, the Cheltenham Gold Cup was allowed to go ahead .. was it 60,000 people went from all over the country.
then of course we had the Cummings "Don't do as I do. do as I say" saga.
it occurred to me that perhaps Bournemouth Council could have a word with one or two local farmers.. suggest driving a tanker of silage along the row of parked cars... pity about convertibles, cars with open windows but hey ho... it would wash off, but in the meantime the journey home would be nice!...
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Part of the problem was the 3000 Milan fans who were allowed to watch their team play Liverpool... though they weren't allowed to watch their team play at home because Milan was at the epicentre of the initial outbreak in Lombardy . Also, the Cheltenham Gold Cup was allowed to go ahead .. was it 60,000 people went from all over the country.
I'm not sure there is any evidence to support those assertions - the scientists still appear to disagree on the extent to which outdoor events like this contribute(d) to the spread.
In any event, Coronavirus was already in the UK and spreading rapidly when these events took place. Whether or not they took place would, on the face of it, have made a marginal difference to the outcome.
To put the figures in context, around 2 million people use London's Tube system every day. I'm not sure many of the people objecting to Cheltenham were also objecting to the Tube still being open.
then of course we had the Cummings "Don't do as I do. do as I say" saga.
Which wasn't publicised until long after the event, so played no part in observance of 'lockdown' during the most critical time.
it occurred to me that perhaps Bournemouth Council could have a word with one or two local farmers.. suggest driving a tanker of silage along the row of parked cars... pity about convertibles, cars with open windows but hey ho... it would wash off, but in the meantime the journey home would be nice!...
Bournemouth Council have powers under the Road Traffic Regulation Acts to close roads and prohibit parking, and the powers can be applied to specific classes of vehicle and driver. If they were really concerned about people visiting their beach they could simply use these powers to close the area down and keep anyone but residents out. Why have they not done so? There is no need for your creative solution.
p.s. Silage is a bit messy, but actually has a rather pleasant smell.
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I just don’t understand the mindset of a person who goes to a beauty spot, presumably because it’s BEAUTIFUL ??? and to be polite, leaves their detritus behind ???? Said detritus will be lighter to carry home once drunk/eaten. Or at least put it in the bin or beside the bins if they are full due to the crowds.
Just reading in the Edinburgh Evening News that the beautiful day yesterday ended in a brawl on the Meadows.
The Meadows is a beautiful area of ‘parkland’ on the Southside of the city used by all for recreation.
Apparently a call went out on Facebook for people to meet at 5am to collect the rubbish and make an artwork depicting the current number of Covid deaths to be photographed by drone before being disposed of.
Wonderful positive creative way to hi light several issues ;)
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Part of the problem was the 3000 Milan fans who were allowed to watch their team play Liverpool... though they weren't allowed to watch their team play at home because Milan was at the epicentre of the initial outbreak in Lombardy . Also, the Cheltenham Gold Cup was allowed to go ahead .. was it 60,000 people went from all over the country.
I'm not sure there is any evidence to support those assertions - the scientists still appear to disagree on the extent to which outdoor events like this contribute(d) to the spread.
In any event, Coronavirus was already in the UK and spreading rapidly when these events took place. Whether or not they took place would, on the face of it, have made a marginal difference to the outcome.
To put the figures in context, around 2 million people use London's Tube system every day. I'm not sure many of the people objecting to Cheltenham were also objecting to the Tube still being open.
then of course we had the Cummings "Don't do as I do. do as I say" saga.
Which wasn't publicised until long after the event, so played no part in observance of 'lockdown' during the most critical time.
it occurred to me that perhaps Bournemouth Council could have a word with one or two local farmers.. suggest driving a tanker of silage along the row of parked cars... pity about convertibles, cars with open windows but hey ho... it would wash off, but in the meantime the journey home would be nice!...
Bournemouth Council have powers under the Road Traffic Regulation Acts to close roads and prohibit parking, and the powers can be applied to specific classes of vehicle and driver. If they were really concerned about people visiting their beach they could simply use these powers to close the area down and keep anyone but residents out. Why have they not done so? There is no need for your creative solution.
p.s. Silage is a bit messy, but actually has a rather pleasant smell.
When calling an international football match and outdoor event we're not taking into account the congregating in bars, restaurants and even nightclubs afterwards nor indeed the use of public transport around the city. Also how tightly packed people can become in the walkways and toilet areas of stadia. Whilst open to the elements it is not as outdoors as say a park would be.
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When calling an international football match and outdoor event we're not taking into account the congregating in bars, restaurants and even nightclubs afterwards nor indeed the use of public transport around the city. Also how tightly packed people can become in the walkways and toilet areas of stadia. Whilst open to the elements it is not as outdoors as say a park would be.
Agreed. But my point was the science on this doesn't (yet?) confirm without doubt that specific events like the football match played a significant role in the spread of coronavirus, which is implied by Jed59's post.
Although it might be superficially attractive to blame 3000 "contaminated" Milan fans for helping to bring death and economic destruction to the country, the truth is we have very little idea how many of the fans were infected, how many were transmitters, and how many people might have been infected through contact (direct or indirect) with a Milan fan.
Although I understand it is a subject researchers are working on, I've not read anything that confirms the 3000 Milan fans are any more responsible than (say) the 2,000,000 people a day using the tube. As such, the finger pointing is possibly premature.
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How long will there be a High Street or a Shopping Centre?
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Has anyone else seen the report from Italy regarding one of the sewage testers in Milan who, after seeing the story of the French doctor who had treated a patient for pneumonia in December who later was found with Covid antibodies, decided to go back & test frozen samples of Milan sewage & found evidence of Covid-19 as early as January.
Whilst criticising the beach goers, let's not forget the 2 nights of street parties in Brixton, assorted raves & the football fans descending on Anfield en masse to celebrate Liverpool's win - but that was OK because the police said 'it was good-natured'. So it's only nasty people who spread the virus ???
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How long will there be a High Street or a Shopping Centre?
The company which owns the Trafford Centre, Manchester + other centres has gone into receivership because rental income plummeted.
The mall in my town wasn't doing well pre lockdown. It has a Debenham's. I was in the store 5 months ago, first time for a few years. I bought an item. The mall is the newest of 4. Two have a lot of empty shops. The other is small with small premises; I've not been in it for a long time.
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How long will there be a High Street or a Shopping Centre?
The company which owns the Trafford Centre, Manchester + other centres has gone into receivership because rental income plummeted.
The mall in my town wasn't doing well pre lockdown. It has a Debenham's. I was in the store 5 months ago, first time for a few years. I bought an item. The mall is the newest of 4. Two have a lot of empty shops. The other is small with small premises; I've not been in it for a long time.
Intu, owners of the Trafford Centre et al, was in financial difficulties before coronavirus.
Sure, the lockdown hasn't helped, but it isn't the source of their woes.
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Whilst criticising the beach goers, let's not forget the 2 nights of street parties in Brixton, assorted raves & the football fans descending on Anfield en masse to celebrate Liverpool's win - but that was OK because the police said 'it was good-natured'. So it's only nasty people who spread the virus ???
I think the street parties and raves were far from good natured, judging by the number of police officers injured and probably some of the participants as well.
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The difficulty I always found with the High Street was having to pay to park up.
That deterred me from doing a bit of "man shopping" (walking in, going straight to the item, paying for it and returning home).
Not much good if you have to pay for parking.
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Our nearest town (small market town with about 16,000 population) has free parking after 3.00 pm Mon - Sat to try and encourage people to come to the High Street. It's free all day on Sunday, but very few shops open then.
To pay for this, the charge before 3.00 pm has slowly crept up, in most car parks, it's now 60p per hour, to a maximum of 3 hours, then £3.80 for over 3 hours, so it penalises people who may need to park for 4 or 5 hours, such as part-time workers who don't live close to the town centre, as they would pay an average of more than 60p per hour. Unsurprisingly the one next to the small supermarket is much more expensive: 70p for 1 hour, £1.40 for 2 hours, £4.90 for 3 hours , £7.40 over 3 hours. The supermarket has no parking of its own, but will refund an hour's parking charge if you spend a certain amount in the store. Unfortunately it is not always possible to make a doctor or dentist appointment before 3.00,
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How long will there be a High Street or a Shopping Centre?
The company which owns the Trafford Centre, Manchester + other centres has gone into receivership because rental income plummeted.
The mall in my town wasn't doing well pre lockdown. It has a Debenham's. I was in the store 5 months ago, first time for a few years. I bought an item. The mall is the newest of 4. Two have a lot of empty shops. The other is small with small premises; I've not been in it for a long time.
They own the Eldon Centre* in Newcastle and the Metro Centre on the other side of the Tyne, both of which I use regularly. Fortunately N/C City Council owns the freehold of the Eldon Centre and they have committed to keep it open.
The Eldon Centre includes Fenwicks, John Lewis, etc. and a Waitrose supermarket, which is the grocery delivery hub for the city. I get a delivery from there every 2 weeks or so. When I went in to check slots last night,all of the slots (delivery and C n C) show 'unavailable' rather than the usual 'fully booked' or a free slot. So, until they sort it, I'll have to get C n C from Hexham (20 miles away). I did that before they expanded their deliveries so it's not too bad. All the other major supermarkets are available - I use Sainsburys for weekly deliveries - but I do like Waitrose .
Add - they had free parking all day on Sundays and each evening.
* in what might be called N/c city centre's main high street
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I've just remembered that I have a slot booked for next Friday. I'm not sure how they will handle these booked slots. I've e-mailed to find out.
Add-Now updated - I think they were waiting for clarifiction :)
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Even if I wanted to I wouldn’t.
My local high street was decimated over 25 years ago when they built Lakeside - which belongs to Intu which has now gone into receivership.
All that’s left in the high street are a few Banks, charity shops, lots of Estate Agents and £ shops with a few others. Even McDonalds left our high street a few years ago.
So I won’t be shopping there, you can’t even buy a pair of shoes which are not of the throw away fashion type in town.
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I don't like crowded shops
I don't like paying a lot for parking - like Trystan, I want to get in, get what I want bought, and get out of town again asap, although I'm female.
I don't like the complexities of public transport now ... feel uncomfortable at the idea of masks, and in any case, wouldn't want to clog up a 'bus space going shopping, that someone else might well actually need.
And I don't really miss shopping at all!
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I don't like crowded shops
I don't like paying a lot for parking - like Trystan, I want to get in, get what I want bought, and get out of town again asap, although I'm female.
I think there are a lot of us in the same boat.
I've just come back from my local convenience store - just with milk and bread. It wasn't packed, but nobody wearing masks and almost everyone getting a lot closer than 1m away from each other.
In and out as quickly as possible.
My next shopping trip will be to the big Tesco, some time middle of next week. No earlier than 9pm (they shut at 10pm). I wish they would go back to 24 hour opening. ;)
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Not the High Street for a very long time I think.
Friday our village butchers opened the shop again after doing amazing work with home delivery & click and collect. I decided to venture in - first shop I've visited since 15th March :o I felt very nervous & flustered, even though I knew all the staff & the other 2 customers very well. I don't like feeling 'old & helpless' :'(
Yesterday morning circumstances meant I had to go to a supermarket. Asda is nearest, they were very well organised with signs everywhere, screens at the checkout, sanitiser & a member of staff at the entrance. Inside though, the odd staff filling shelves or walking about the aisles just walked past me in the usual way - I flattened myself against the shelves!
The mainly older generation customers seemed totally unaware of any need for distancing. I wondered if I'd become invisible.
I was reminded of advice from my dad when I was learning to drive 'assume everyone else is an idiot & react accordingly' ;D
I'll carry on with my home delivery & online shopping for the moment.
Pat
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I like your dads wise words roopat
I found staff were the ones who seem in the main to wander around, no masks
A lot of elderly didn't seem to wear masks either, I am one of their brigade so to speak but I wear a mask, I do not want to be in lockdown any longer than need be,
At the moment I want to act as taxi for a friends hospital visit this week, she being 90, I haven't read anywhere where we can have a passenger but if a taxi driver can have occupants in the back of car wearing masks I am sure my friend and I can if we both wear masks and she sits in the back
Louisa Maud
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I think it's a matter of common sense, louisa maud. I would think that she would be much safer and happier with you, than with a stranger who may have had many people in his car. I'm sure they also said yesterday that more taxi drivers have died of Covid19 than doctors or nurses. I would go ahead and take her.
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I would agree with groom on this, for medical reasons it is perfectly allowable, but I wonder if you will be allowed to accompany her inside the hospital, it may be wise to ring the hospital to check the procedure, unless your friends appointment letter gives these details.
What does groom think on this, is your friend fully mobile?
Mike
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My friend is reasonably mobile, only she will be allowed in, that will be OK , sometimes one feels one has to do these things
We can't even go to church together when they finally open which sounds like it might be a bit like appointment only, wonder how it will work
Think I will offer to take her and see what she says, thank you for some common sense folks
Louisa Maud
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Louisa Maud,
The current guidelines recommend [1] only sharing a car with your own household or support bubble. And it looks like this recommendation still applies after July 4th. However, they do provide some practical suggestions [2] if you do share a car with others.
That said, you're probably best placed to assess the risk of your friend travelling with you vs taking a taxi, which may have had all manner of passengers.
[1] Coronavirus outbreak FAQs: what you can and can't do after 4 July
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pnk/
[2] Coronavirus (COVID-19): safer travel guidance for passengers
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pnj/
EDIT: Fixed link
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Does your friend live alone, louisa maud? If so, and if she hasn't done so with anyone else, you could be her support bubble as the regulations say "People from a household or support bubble can travel together in a vehicle."
If she hasn't mixed with others and neither have you, I would take her. What's the alternative - passenger in a taxi where the driver will have mixed with a lot of people, or hospital transport or even worse public transport!
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She has had a son call on her with shopping and I have visited in her garden, I feel I can be in her bubble
I can't see the difference between me and a taxi who has had anyone in their taxi, no one has been in the back of my car for months and months
I am sure I can help her, she did say she would go by bus , I don't think she should, she is a very independant 90 year old
Louisa Maud
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Does your friend live alone, louisa maud? If so, and if she hasn't done so with anyone else, you could be her support bubble as the regulations say "People from a household or support bubble can travel together in a vehicle."
If she hasn't mixed with others and neither have you, I would take her. What's the alternative - passenger in a taxi where the driver will have mixed with a lot of people, or hospital transport or even worse public transport!
Completely agree - both in terms of the regulations and common sense [reducing voice to a whisper] even if it weren't strictly in compliance with the 'rules' then common sense dictates it is safer for someone at risk to travel in a car with a friend than get into a vehicle (taxi/bus) being used by countless strangers.
This is an example of why - despite me being a firm supporter of 'lockdown' - I am concerned about people complaining about 'lockdown' being eased too early and the social media habit of 'calling out' as "idiots" people who are acting entirely within the rules.
It is causing needless worry and stress to people who need to do things, but are terrified they might be breaking a "rule".
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Louisa Maud, I agree with Jan (Groom) and others who have said it's okay for you to take your friend to the hospital. I'm sure you'll both be masked and anti-bac'd and - as you say - she will be safer in your car than she would be when taking a taxi, particularly in view of her age.
Today I went for a distanced walk with a friend of mine - this is the second time we've tried this in a week. We walked for four miles on each occasion (we are out of practice having been shut in for so long), and it was lovely actually doing something normal, albeit that we had to keep our distance and shout at each other.
As far as shopping is concerned I think it will be a very long time before I return to high street shops. Three cheers for Asda for their deliveries which have kept daughter and I supplied during the lockdown (plus cat and dog who seem to eat considerably more than we do). I've never really used online supermarket shopping and deliveries before, but I am so impressed. It's like living in a lighthouse and having the supply tender arrive once a fortnight. ;D
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I am sure I can help her....
You can.
You won't be arrested and thrown into jail for giving a lift to a 90 year old needing to get to a hospital appointment. :)
If you both wash your hands before getting into the car, both wear masks, and if you wipe over any surfaces she's touched in your car after the trip then the risk to you both should be infinitesimally small.
Please don't worry, and tell your friend that she - along with the NHS staff and other people in the hospital - will all be safer if she travels in your car rather than on the bus. It is the right thing to do.
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Does your friend live alone, louisa maud? If so, and if she hasn't done so with anyone else, you could be her support bubble as the regulations say "People from a household or support bubble can travel together in a vehicle."
If she hasn't mixed with others and neither have you, I would take her. What's the alternative - passenger in a taxi where the driver will have mixed with a lot of people, or hospital transport or even worse public transport!
Completely agree - both in terms of the regulations and common sense [reducing voice to a whisper] even if it weren't strictly in compliance with the 'rules' then common sense dictates it is safer for someone at risk to travel in a car with a friend than get into a vehicle (taxi/bus) being used by countless strangers.
This is an example of why - despite me being a firm supporter of 'lockdown' - I am concerned about people complaining about 'lockdown' being eased too early and the social media habit of 'calling out' as "idiots" people who are acting entirely within the rules.
It is causing needless worry and stress to people who need to do things, but are terrified they might be breaking a "rule".
I think that sounds sensible Louisa Maud. There is a massive difference between having to go out to a medical appointment, for food, to help a vulnerable person etc and crowding onto a beach, holding a big party, taking hold of people in shops when there is plenty of room to allow social distancing, wearing a mask round your chin, refusing to wash hands, spitting in the street. It is the things on the latter list that annoy me. And yes I have experienced all of these and in the interests of trying to be a decent person I did not report anyone and did my best to internalise my feelings of annoyance. I did speak out when the person grabbed hold of me but all I said was "please don't touch me" and you can be assured I was suitably punished by being screamed at and called a lot of names.
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I am more worried about the so called idiots who seem to think because they have not known anyone affected it doesn't exist, and they can party and go to the beach, if this all erupts again the over 70' will seem to be hard hit once again, would mean we will be on lockdown once again, my friend and I have done all the right things, masked, gloves in shops and sanitiser
Take care folks
Louisa Maud
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I am more worried about the so called idiots who seem to think because they have not known anyone affected it doesn't exist, and they can party and go to the beach, if this all erupts again the over 70' will seem to be hard hit once again, would mean we will be on lockdown once again, my friend and I have done all the right things, masked, gloves in shops and sanitiser
Take care folks
Louisa Maud
Sorry I didnt post that very well the bit about who annoys me re covid wasn'taimed at you. You can take your friend to the hospital as that would count as providing assistance to someone in need.
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A Mother on Zoom was saying when her Son's work discovered he had an illness with strange skin manifestations during Lockdown, they still sent him home and to get a Test first.
He thought he had recovered, but a Test says he is Covid-19 Positive.
Mark
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Pharma, I didn't think you did at all, please don't worry
Take care
Louisa Maud
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Well, looking at the results of that poll, it doesn't look as if the shops will be packed with
RootsChatters! ;D ;D
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Well with outlets in trouble and shops closing there won't be anywhere to go, I don't need clothes, have enough to last a life time till I have something special to go to, will bide my time and see what is going to happen, I certainly won't be out in crowds but would like to get away for a holiday somewhere, like most of us expect
Louisa Maud
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Hello
If Leicester is not brought under control ...
https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-leicester-covid-19-cases-under-scrutiny-amid-fears-of-local-lockdown-12017156
In other places two hospitals I'd heard of recently, had ZERO Covid-19 cases.
My Mum has unfortunately had a fall in the garden and had to go to Hospital. My Father was a bit disappointed he couldn't go with her in the Ambulance and had been doing some of their food shopping.
I'll be wearing a mask inside any building where the public are present!
We are weekly shopping for basic essentials only, e.g. food.
Our Doctors don't want to see you now either! It is photos by email!
I got my "urgent" brain scan, the Doctor even rang and asked if I'd be frightened to go, I said, no, if you can get me an appointment please I'll turn up, so I was up a 4am to get ready and be there for my appointment before 8am.
Mark
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I voted "Yes" to the poll question.
That's because I am fortunate to live in an area where Covid-19 has been eradicated - no cases for 40 days ;D
So, Yes I have been shopping - shops are back to normal.
And Yes I have been to pubs.
Saturday I went out for a meal - 2nd time in 2 weeks.
Our problems will start again once we open our borders once more.
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Thank you for all your votes and your comments. The poll lasted for 14 days, and it's interesting to see that we probably won't be bumping into fellow RootsChatters in the shops!
Take care everybody, and keep staying safe. :)
Trystan