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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Leicestershire => England => Leicestershire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Worlygigger on Saturday 13 June 20 09:42 BST (UK)
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Hello everyone, Apologies for returning to Adkin genealogy but I would like someone to confirm John Adkin's baptism in Shepshed on 16th Oct 1796 and who his parents were. Also could someone explain why in the 1851 census, his birthplace is given as Loughborough Lanes (not Leics). Where was this and was it part of the ecclesiastical parish of Shepshed?
Many thanks and stay safe.
Lovely weather today but.........
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John Atkin son of John and Dorothy baptised on 16 Oct.
Possible marriage, eight miles away - John Atkin and Dorothy Joyce in Lockington, Derbyshire, on 8th November 1775.
David
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Very much appreciate your rapid response and help. That helps me massively. You've made my day! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Is there a CD of Leicestershire and/or Derbyshire baptisms?
As a confirmation, could you confirm that John and Dorothy had a son Charles baptised in 1809?
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I can't see a baptism for Charles in 1809.
On some censuses, he is the brother of John. born 1796, who would seem to be the son of John and Dorothy.
On another, he is the uncle of George who was John's son.
Assuming that the marriage is correct, Dorothy Joyce was baptised in Lockington on 14th May 1754, Which would suggest that she would be too old to be the mother of Charles. Also, the last baptisms were John and Dorothy, both on 16th October 1796.
If the correct Dorothy, her parents were John Joyce and Mary Poxon, who were married in Lockington on 24th July 1743.
There is a death of John Atkin of Shepshed on 19th April 1798, age 57. He may be Dorothy's husband.
David
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Many thanks David. What is also detrimental to building the family tree is the way the surname could change - Adkin, Atkin, Adkins etc etc!
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Worlygigger
Are are confident you've got all the children of John ATKIN / ADKIN and Dorothy JOYCE?! I've found 9.
I'm currently working on the POXON's, another challenge!
bitzar.
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I've only got six: John Adkin (my ancestor) 1796-1870, John Atkin, Mary Atkin, Elizabeth Atkin, Elizabeth Atkin and Dorothy Atkin. Wish I could get up to the Leicestershire Archives (well, not at the moment, of course)
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Worly
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=728103.9
That's the link for your original post from 5 years ago. Reply #14 is the 'removal order' and some baptismal info that diddymiller posted. I'm descended from Rebecca, I still haven't found her baptism but suspect it may be unreadable in the margin of a register. She stated she was born at Diseworth c1779.
EDIT: But wait, who is this Charles who is often on Census as John's brother?! Is your John NOT the s/o John and Dorothy?!
bitzar
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Apologies for revisiting Worlygigger's post BUT...
Thinking about the baptism of John Adkin 1796. Often, John and his family are on census with his brother Charles bc1809. On the 1841 next door to John is a Joseph Adkin and family. It seems all three men are born Loughborough.
John c1796
Joseph c1806
Charles c1809.
I cannot find baptisms for Joseph and Charles. I'm wondering IF they might actually be brothers by one of John and Dorothy's older daughter's. This could also explain why I think that John and Dorothy's eldest son, also a John did not die and second John wasn't a replacement.
If anyone could see the original baptism from 1796, if it does say, John and Dorothy as twins or were they just baptised the same day and assumptions made.
bitzar.
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They were both baptised on the same day in Shepshed, 16 Oct 1796, to John and Dorothy.
Probably twins, although no mention.
At the end of the second line, it mentions "from Thorpe-??" It looks a bit like Close
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The marriage of Dorothy (c 1796) I posted on the other thread to William Priestley I looked at again; found this marriage which might be of interest-
Loughborough 21 May 1829
Dorothy Priestley widow married John Johnson bach. both signed their mark
Wits William ?Sharp and Phoebe Atkin signed her mark
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Hi all,
Sorry, I've had a few days away.
It seems the 'witness' Phoebe Atkin is the daughter of John Adkin who died Aug 1851. She is mentioned in his will as his daughter Phoebe Smith. John's burial mentions his age as 76 making him born c1775. This may make John the child baptised at Lockington 1776, eldest child of John and Dorothy who were married there the year earlier. So Phoebe witnessed her Aunt's MC.
BUT, what about the John that Dorothy was baptised with in 1796 if Phoebe's father was living.
DCB, that would be Thorpe Acre. In the other thread the family were removed to Thorpe Acre in 1789.
bitzar.
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Have you found this record?
1851
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u7w/
John born Lockington and Elizabeth with gdau Harriett,
John as c1785
Elizabeth 1788
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Even more confusing
burial for a William Adkin son of John and Doratha 29 Mar 1812 Woodhouse
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u7x/
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Have you found this record?
1851
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u7w/
John born Lockington and Elizabeth with gdau Harriett,
John as c1785
Elizabeth 1788
I've just had a look at this. I can't place them or find the birth/baptism of Harriet.
bitzar.
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Even more confusing
burial for a William Adkin son of John and Doratha 29 Mar 1812 Woodhouse
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u7x/
Willsy,
I came across this burial record yesterday. I did not have a baptism for a William, s/of John and Dorothy. He is not mentioned in the removal order of 1789 from Diseworth to Thorpe Acre. Isn't it a bit unusual for the cleric to mention he was the s/of if he wasn't a child? Maybe he still resided with his parents?!
I have also just found a 1836/7 will of John Swift of Lockington. John's mother was Mary Joyce 1748-1768, sister of Dorothy Adkin. His will mentions many of his cousins by his uncle Robert Joyce, and a cousin whose name I can't decipher from Castle Donnington as well as children of his late aunt Dorothy Adkin including _______ (maybe Grace, I can't decipher it) Squires who I cannot place.
Mant thanks,
bitzar.
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Won't be able to look till later tonight but I can remember seeing a couple of Squires who were witnesses to a A*kin marriage.
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Had a quick look before I went out, couldn't leave it!
It's the John Akin and Elizabeth Haddon marriage 1802 Woodhouse
Wits John and Sarah Squire
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Have you found this record?
1851
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u7w/
John born Lockington and Elizabeth with gdau Harriett,
John as c1785
Elizabeth 1788
I forgot to add that I think the ages are way out; Harriett is not with Phoebe either but age12 is pushing it!
Baptism
Loughborough, All Saints 2 Dec 1827
Harriett Adkin mother Phoebe
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Looking at the will, I wondered if the second daughter mentioned to Dorothy is Ann Lockwood; written next to my late cousin it looks like Ann squashed next to it and the will bequeaths to her 4 children. I have had a look at another will and the way Lockwood is written, it is not unlike the way it is written in this will.
Just a guess
Ann Adkin married Thomas Lockwood 30 Nov 1807, Loughborough, All Saints
Wits Joseph Webster (might be a Clerk)
Isaac Spencer
Children
Loughborough, All Saints
Ann 11 Mar 1810
John, Thomas, William all bap. 12 Aug 1816
There is a burial for an Ann Lockwood c1788 Loughborough, All Saints 13 Jan 1823
I compared the Lockwood surname to a Thomas Lockwood 1842 Pcc will Leicester if it helps.
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Looking at the will, I wondered if the second daughter mentioned to Dorothy is Ann Lockwood; written next to my late cousin it looks like Ann squashed next to it and the will bequeaths to her 4 children. I have had a look at another will and the way Lockwood is written, it is not unlike the way it is written in this will.
Just a guess
Ann Adkin married Thomas Lockwood 30 Nov 1807, Loughborough, All Saints
Wits Joseph Webster (might be a Clerk)
Isaac Spencer
Children
Loughborough, All Saints
Ann 11 Mar 1810
John, Thomas, William all bap. 12 Aug 1816
There is a burial for an Ann Lockwood c1788 Loughborough, All Saints 13 Jan 1823
I compared the Lockwood surname to a Thomas Lockwood 1842 Pcc will Leicester if it helps.
Hi Willsy,
Not long after I posted it suddenly came to me that it was probably Lockwood as the 'Lock' in Lockington was also similar. I think there was another child as William died 1820, unless John Swift didn't know, but the 4th isn't obvious.
I used AI to try to decipher the name of the Squires in the will and it suggested Grace as the daughter of Dorothy Adkin. Also the cousin from Castle Donnington looks like Thomas *orth.
Re John and Sarah Squire. IF they are John Squire and Sarah Webster who married in 1794 and resided at Woodthorpe, they both signed their MC. The John and Sarah who witnessed the A*kin marriage both marked.
Yes, the ages in record for John, Elizabeth, And Harriet A*kin are very out for all of them. It does look them though.
Many thanks,
bitzar
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Even more confusing
burial for a William Adkin son of John and Doratha 29 Mar 1812 Woodhouse
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01u7x/
Willsy,
I came across this burial record yesterday. I did not have a baptism for a William, s/of John and Dorothy. He is not mentioned in the removal order of 1789 from Diseworth to Thorpe Acre. Isn't it a bit unusual for the cleric to mention he was the s/of if he wasn't a child? Maybe he still resided with his parents?!
I have also just found a 1836/7 will of John Swift of Lockington. John's mother was Mary Joyce 1748-1768, sister of Dorothy Adkin. His will mentions many of his cousins by his uncle Robert Joyce, and a cousin whose name I can't decipher from Castle Donnington as well as children of his late aunt Dorothy Adkin including _______ (maybe Grace, I can't decipher it) Squires who I cannot place.
Mant thanks,
bitzar.
The relatives that I couldn't decipher, I now believe to be:
cousin Thomas North of Castle Donington (I haven't worked out this relationship yet).
Mary Squire, one daughter of Dorothy Adkin of Loughborough (Mary born Diseworth 24 Jan 1778 and named on the Removal order to Thorpe Acre in 1789. No marriage to be found to Squire/Squires).
bitzar.
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I thought it was the North surname and did look a couple of nights ago thinking of John Swift's age; if I remember right there is a Thomas North marriage c 1760 to a Joice (surname).
I just can't go from A*tkin to SquiresSquire!
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I thought it was the North surname and did look a couple of nights ago thinking of John Swift's age; if I remember right there is a Thomas North marriage c 1760 to a Joice (surname).
I just can't go from A*tkin to SquiresSquire!
Willsy,
Ok yes found it 1780. Thomas North and Elizabeth Joice. Eliz about 35. Found one son John c1783. There is a Thomas on the 1841 the right age but can't connect him yet.
Mary Squire, still a mystery.
Many thanks.
bitzar.