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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: IgorStrav on Tuesday 09 June 20 15:56 BST (UK)
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Very exciting moment this morning when a distant cousin, posting various pictures on FB, came up with one which I'd never seen before but which I instantly recognised as a wedding photo of my Grandfather and Grandmother, Morris William Pay and Mabel Emily Wade on 25th September 1911
I can recognise a number of the faces - although, irritatingly, they've not quite sat in the positions you might expect (bride's parents one side, groom's parents the other), and there are lots of younger relatives who I will have to search for through the siblings on the tree.
My great grandfather John James Pay (father of the groom), who has featured here before in his guise of Metropolitan Policeman is standing far right in the light suit. His wife, Victoria Adelaide Cork Barham Pay is standing third lady from the left, next to the shed.
The older gentleman next to the bride is, I think, my greatx2 grandfather James Pay (1839-1932).
I am guessing that the mother of the bride, Charlotte Barwell Wade, is the lady in the dark dress seated on the left of the row with the bride and groom in it. But who is the father of the bride?
Can anyone help with a bit of a clean for me? The back row will be beyond recall I expect, but anything anyone can do much appreciated.
Wonderful hats as usual, and I always like the bit of garden shed you can see in the background of photos like these. Greenwich in London, I think.
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My try. :)
Peter
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I suppose that if the brides father was still around, its not inconceivable that it was he who took the photo....
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I've cleared the top right of blotches and will try harder to bring the faded top row guys into focus but will avoid facial reconstruction as much as possible, then, some Colour, cheers, Ian
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One from me
Pat
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One with a tint
Pat
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Thank you all for these magnificent improvements, Peter, Japeflakes, Handypandy, Ian and Pat!
My relatives emerging from the murk! Fantastic to see. :)
Ian, I think it's unlikely my great grandfather William Thomas Wade, father of the bride, took the photo - just because I don't believe he was an experienced (even amateur) photographer. He was a baker all his life, and a street sweeper in the 1911.
I am in two minds about the bearded gentleman sitting next to the bride. He reminds me very much of my brother.
My previous identification of James Pay, grandfather of the groom, is a possibility. I don't have any contemporaneous photos of him - just one in 1890, one in c 1915-20, and one as an old man. All attached.
He had a beard, but it's the sort of one which is full face - ie starts with your sideburns and continues over your cheeks to your chin/moustache. Whereas the gentleman in the photo next to the bride either has a goatee type of beard, or very much less bushy cheek whiskers.
Your views on whether the man in the photo is the same as the attached is much appreciated.
It may be too difficult to see - I appreciate the mystery wedding man is very blurred - are his ears set lower than James Pay's?
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Hi Igor...No wonder you are excited with sch a large group of relatives. Here is my version.
Carol
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I would think that must have been quite an expensive wedding for those days. I like the cap the young gentleman on the front row is wearing or should that be the person the hat is wearing.
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I would think that must have been quite an expensive wedding for those days. I like the cap the young gentleman on the front row is wearing or should that be the person the hat is wearing.
My great uncle Ernest Pay (aged 13) is the boy under the hat. :)
So far, in my efforts to identify people (and I have very few pictures of my grandmother's Wade family), I have found 28 potential attendees at the wedding for her 'side'
ie the bride's parents, her siblings and their spouses, and nephews/neices.
I have yet to count up the groom's 'side'. His siblings were all younger than him, but he had a large number of uncles and aunts and cousins.
I may start by counting all the people I can see to judge whether all, or what proportion, of these potential invitees actually attended.
Goodness me
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It seems an impressive wedding - might there have been a report in the local newspaper?
Richard
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I have my doubts as to whether the guy next to the bride is the same person in your attachment...even in his later years, he has a full beard. Just my opinion.
BTW...Did you miss my restore ;)
Carol
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I have my doubts as to whether the guy next to the bride is the same person in your attachment...even in his later years, he has a full beard. Just my opinion.
BTW...Did you miss my restore ;)
Carol
Oh I apologise, Carol, I did miss your restore, for which many thanks indeed. It looks very good in sepia, and the faces are getting clearer by the minute, which is going to be really helpful. Thank you for cleaning it up - all of you restorers do such a marvellous job :)
Thank you also for your views on the mystery man. If it's not James Pay, it MIGHT be my great grandfather William Thomas Wade.
However, I do wonder whether my greatx2 grandfather James Pay might have wanted to attend the wedding of his eldest son's eldest son - and if the mystery man isn't him, I can't see him elsewhere in the photo.
Oh the questions....
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It seems an impressive wedding - might there have been a report in the local newspaper?
Richard
Thank you Richard, my thoughts exactly!
However, irritatingly the Woolwich Gazette and Greenwich and Deptford Chronicle doesn't appear to be available in the British Newspaper Archives for 1911.
I have had a look in the BNA in London newspapers, but no luck as yet.
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Not to worry Igor...I blame Crumblie as his message took it to the next page and that's why you didn't see it ::) ;D ;D You have some really lovely photos.
Carol
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Igor what a magnificent photo with so many people, how lucky you are !
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Igor what a magnificent photo with so many people, how lucky you are !
yes, it's been really exciting finding it. ;D
can't quite believe I've never seen it before :D
I was very hopeful of finally seeing some of my grandmother's Wade family, but it's quite hard working out who might be who......
added: Do you think that's the vicar standing behind the bride and groom?
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More tea ? Vicar. It looks like one. Does this make it any easier to compare your mystery men ?
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The first two look like the same man to me.
Thanks for doing that Ian.
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The first two look like the same man to me.
Thanks for doing that Ian.
Yes, thank you Ian - why do people in photos move their heads round so you can't compare properly?
But a-l, the left hand and middle photo ARE the same man. It's the mystery man in my wedding photo without a hat, and then with a bowler cleverly added by Ian ;)
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The first two look like the same man to me.
Thanks for doing that Ian.
Yes, thank you Ian - why do people in photos move their heads round so you can't compare properly?
But a-l, the left hand and middle photo ARE the same man. It's the mystery man in my wedding photo without a hat, and then with a bowler cleverly added by Ian ;)
No wonder they look alike Igor , I'll change my specs ;D ;D
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Not the same person, the guy into right is older and still appears to have more hair than the other younger guy.
Carol
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Not the same person, the guy into right is older and still appears to have more hair than the other younger guy.
Carol
Thank you Carol.
The RH side picture is definitely my Gx2 Grandfather James Pay (1839-1932) riding a tricycle prob 1915-1920. This is 5 or more years later than the 1911 wedding photo, when he would have been 72.
The LH side picture is the mystery man from the wedding photo, and could be my G Grandfather William Thomas Wade (1845-1928) and if so, he'd have been 66 at the time in 1911.
I am beginning to think it may be William which is particularly exciting as I've had very few pictures of that side of the family. And his resemblance to my brother has made me think through all the likenesses I've seen previously in the family!
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One in colour :)
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seating position maybe helps with who he is....?
xin
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GMac78 - thank you so much!! That's marvellous!!!
Fantastic work - thanks to you and to all the restorers. There's my grandad and gran large as life and twice as natural ;D
Xin, the mystery man, either my greatx2 grandfather James Pay, or possibly my great grandfather William Thomas Wade, is next to the bride, my grandmother Mabel Emily Wade. I have no idea who the lady sitting on the other side of him is.
In terms of positioning, the groom's father is standing right, in the light suit, and his wife the groom's mother is standing on the other side, next to the shed.
The bride's mother is, I think, just in front of the groom's mother, sitting in the row with the bride and groom.
So potentially her husband, the bride's father, could be the mystery man.
However, my greatx2 grandfather James Pay, was 71 at the time of the wedding, and would - I think - have wanted to be present at his eldest grandchild's wedding. And if the mystery man isn't him, then he isn't there.
I fear I will never know. I think mystery man looks like my brother, but neither he nor my s-i-l see any resemblance.
But it's a lovely picture none the less!!! ;D
Added: by the way, do we all think that's the vicar standing just behind the bride and groom? Ian thought so, and It looks like it, but isn't that quite unusual in photos of this type? I don't believe I've seen it before?
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Well its definitely a man in a dog collar !!!
I have a beautiful Wedding photo of a similar era... but mine has relations actually resting a hand on a shoulder to show the connection .. (not all of them but a fair few) -- I will enjoy looking at your photo again and reading your post again...
xin
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Don't know how we all missed it first time round, the clues are all in there
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