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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: Maiden Stone on Tuesday 02 June 20 18:03 BST (UK)
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2 pieces of news about statistics today.
Higher death rates among ethnic minorities.
Published statistics on tests obscure.
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Higher death rate of coronavirus among ethnic minorities also applies to U.S.A.
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The PHE review and stats
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pjh/
make very interesting reading and indeed a few surprises
Cheers
Guy
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What a difference a drop of rain makes. Today I saw no more than a dozen people jogging or walking whilst I was out for a walk which lasted around 45 mins or so.
It seems that exercise must be taken only in clement weather.
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Hopefully no barbecues setting grass alight. Why were people so desperate to have barbecues? I was in the Spar shop on Friday evening. Spar Radio was blaring encouragement for customers to have barbies.
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Hopefully no barbecues setting grass alight. Why were people so desperate to have barbecues? I was in the Spar shop on Friday evening. Spar Radio was blaring encouragement for customers to have barbies.
Its trendy, its fashionable, what I cant understand is why spend a fortune on a gas powered mini kitchen and use it to turn your sausage and burger into charcoal :)
Mike
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IDIOTs queuing for Macdonalds causing hold ups everywhere..
xin
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What a difference a drop of rain makes. Today I saw no more than a dozen people jogging or walking whilst I was out for a walk which lasted around 45 mins or so.
It seems that exercise must be taken only in clement weather.
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It's like in 'normal' life, as soon as exercise classes start after New Year they're swamped with people who decide to 'get fit'. They do it for a few of weeks then drop out but during that time they've stopped the regulars booking the class. Drives me mad.
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We are not people who go to the gym every day, but we do like to go walking (short distances). Pre corona it was perhaps drive somewhere for a walk, finish up with a coffee somewhere, or perhaps lunch.
For the past few weeks we have been taking walks from our house, made more pleasant by the weather. We drove about one mile to our local park recently, was packed out, didn't feel comfortable.
Yesterday, the first real rain we have had in weeks, we stayed at home to do some much needed housework!
Yes, we are clement weather walkers/exercisers only, who wants to go for a stroll in the rain?
Regards Margaret
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I agree. During the lovely weather we have taken our daily walk along our very empty beach which, as a round trip, is just over a mile. We see very few people on the way. In normal times we would probably drive about 5 miles and spend all day walking along the busier, longer beach, stop for coffee or lunch and then walk back to the car, sitting and enjoying the lovely weather if we have it.
However, no beach is nice in the rain. Our daily walk is starting to get boring but when the sun is shining you don't notice the boredom but you certainly notice it if it's raining.
We are definitely fair-weather walkers and I'm proud.
Rishile
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Rishile, We usually walk a bit further than a mile, but not a great deal more. About 2 - 3 miles round trip, we try to make it a bit more interesting to walk the other way round.
Not gym lovers like next door, he has really missed going these last few months. My husband bought a new bike a few years ago, hardly used it. Sold it recently to the neighbour, who now gets his exercise fix again.
Today another cloudy day, gives me a chance to get in the greenhouse to tidy up after the winter. It's been too hot in there for the last few weeks.
All fair weather walkers, let's stick together.
Regards Margaret
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I wasn't referring to fair weather exercisers, I suppose I added my own gripe to the one raised by Llwyd, I meant the people who do it just because it's the latest trend. I wouldn't be out walking if it was chucking it down either. Sorry.
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Hopefully no barbecues setting grass alight. Why were people so desperate to have barbecues? I was in the Spar shop on Friday evening. Spar Radio was blaring encouragement for customers to have barbies.
Its trendy, its fashionable, what I cant understand is why spend a fortune on a gas powered mini kitchen and use it to turn your sausage and burger into charcoal :)
Mike
..and there's a perfectly good oven in the kitchen which is usually (if you don't live in a grand mansion with acres of grounds) only a few feet away. Why not cook the meat properly in the kitchen and then take it outside to eat?
And why do the majority of men only want to cook in the garden but not in the kitchen? Sexism? the kitchen is the woman's domain??
Horrible smelly things anyway - the barbecues, not the men!! ;D
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Someone I know uses a barbecue in the garden and a cooker/microwave in the garage all year round as she does not like her house to smell of cooking. ::)
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Rishile, We usually walk a bit further than a mile, but not a great deal more. About 2 - 3 miles round trip, we try to make it a bit more interesting to walk the other way round.
All fair weather walkers, let's stick together.
Regards Margaret
in normal circumstances we would walk a lot further but we are restricted by a) our village is small so there is a limit to how far we can walk and b) lack of toilets.
We walk because we enjoy walking and always have. We don't rush - we enjoy the flowers, birds, insects, the sea, meeting other people (social distancing, of course) and - in normal circumstances - a drink in the local pub.
Rishile
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..and there's a perfectly good oven in the kitchen which is usually (if you don't live in a grand mansion with acres of grounds) only a few feet away. Why not cook the meat properly in the kitchen and then take it outside to eat?
And why do the majority of men only want to cook in the garden but not in the kitchen? Sexism? the kitchen is the woman's domain??
Horrible smelly things anyway - the barbecues, not the men!! ;D
My mother thought along the same lines (cooking outside) in the late 1950s when she was bringing up 4 children on her own.
However she liked to be outside in the sun and fresh air as much as possible, so much that instead of cooking inside, she had a gas pipe extended through the kitchen wall into the garden and had a second cooker outside where she could cook the family meals without going inside. I should also add there was already a cold water tap conveniently placed on the outside wall.
The bayonet terminal of that pipe was still installed and working perfectly until 2012 when I was doing some alterations in the kitchen and had it removed as I prefer cooking in the kitchen where everything is at hand. ;)
Cheers
Guy
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Daily briefing
Face coverings will be made mandatory on public transport from 15 June in England, announced by Grant Schapps.
Regards Margaret
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Nicola Sturgeon advised wearing face coverings on public transport some weeks ago.
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Restaurants and cafes to open from 15th June ;D
Oops! Sorry! That's just the Isle of Man ;D ;D ;D ;D
On the down side, my operation (for kidney stone) has been postpones again.
Apparently I have to self-isolate for 14 days before the op - presumably so I don't bring an infection to the hospital.
Then I will have to isolate for another 14 days when I get back to the Isle of Man ::)
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Horrible smelly things anyway - the barbecues, not the men!! ;D
I agree. Polluting fresh air. A local authority banned them during lockdown to protect people who were shielding and who had been advised to open their windows to allow air into their home.
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Nicola Sturgeon advised wearing face coverings on public transport some weeks ago.
Yes she followed the UK Government's advice to wear, face coverings in crowded spaces such as public transport and shops, the difference not is it will soon be a legal requirement to wear face coverings on public transport in England not just advice.
Cheers
Guy
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Nicola Sturgeon advised wearing face coverings on public transport some weeks ago.
Yes she followed the UK Government's advice to wear, face coverings in crowded spaces such as public transport and shops, the difference not is it will soon be a legal requirement to wear face coverings on public transport in England not just advice.
It was co-ordinated advice from the 2 governments, published on their respective websites 11th May.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/public-advised-to-cover-faces-in-enclosed-spaces
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-public-use-of-face-coverings
The recommendation had been announced 2 weeks previously by Nicola Sturgeon. (Press reports 28th April)
All 4 governments in UK listen to medical and scientific advice.
Wearing face coverings on public transport and in other busy public places is still advisory, not mandatory in Scotland.
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Information about exercising safely outdoors from Ordnance Survey.
Get Outside Safely
https://getoutside.ordnancesurvey.co.uk
Can search by activity & location.
Currently collating information sourced from government, local authorities + other third parties.
Featured on today's edition of "Inside Science", Radio 4.
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I understood the general opinion on face masks was that it was very doubtful they did any good in stopping the virus.
That was the last time before today that I tuned into the 5pm political broadcast. sorry corona virus bulletin, which admittedly was some time ago (apart from at the time of the Cummings fiasco).
So, is this yet another about turn? Where am I supposed to get a face mask? I thought they were supposed to be so rare they were going on the open market for 6 toilet rolls and a packet of pasta?
I switched on the bulletin by mistake today (I was really looking for Hunting Bigfoot, which is much more entertaining but then again just about anything else would be) and that little chap with the fluffy hairdo was trying to sell me an electric scooter! I swear! Always thought he looked like a second hand car salesman.....
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I understood the general opinion on face masks was that it was very doubtful they did any good in stopping the virus.
So, is this yet another about turn? Where am I supposed to get a face mask? I thought they were supposed to be so rare they were going on the open market for 6 toilet rolls and a packet of pasta?
... an electric scooter! ... a second hand car salesman.....
Wearing a face covering in a public situation where it is difficult to maintain physical distancing is intended to lessen the risk of passing on the virus to people with whom you may be in contact.
Knowledge about the virus changes and so advice may change. It's now known that many people don't display symptoms.
It's up to politicians whether or not to act on advice and when.
You don't need to wear a face covering while on an electric scooter. :)
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Hurrah for the fair weather walkers. :)
Where am I supposed to get a face mask? I thought they were supposed to be so rare they were going on the open market for 6 toilet rolls and a packet of pasta?
Face masks are currently being advertised for sale by various firms at least on a weekly basis, sometimes twice weekly even, in the national press. They are certainly not difficult to obtain, not by any stretch of the imagination. There are single use disposable masks, there are washable masks and there are the more advanced, medical standard masks. The price you pay is governed by the type and amount bought.
The firms selling them state they are not affecting NHS supplies.
Go for it Jillruss, fill yer boots.
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"You don't need to wear a face covering while on an electric scooter. . . . . . "
Unless scooting thru the excrement being thrown into the sea, onto beach, onto "promenades", at the south coast beaches, recently.
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I only ever bought one newspaper a week and haven't had one since the start of lockdown. Maybe some links would help.
Amazon have plenty of face masks for sale, many of them made in China. In the Q&As there's a reply for many of the products recommending a particular website. Something going on there I think. ::)
Ray, it's been left in buckets at some of our coastal towns.
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Well dog walkers will tell you it is every day ,day in day out without fail .
It gets to be such a habit you don’t notice it somehow.
But of course when you can meet up with fellow dog walkers, have a laugh and joke the two hours or so go by quickly.
You are in normal circumstances , not social distancing.
I never had a cold , seemed to get used to the cold,rain,wind etc.
My skin was good ,but now!!!,now I hardly get out it is very dry and got a lot more wrinkles.
How I did so much housework -with all that time taken out of the day -in a big house I can’t think.
Now the great heat has gone I must start walking again, gentle build up.
Where are we - oldies- supposed to get face masks from if we are not going out shopping because we are in both the age bracket and underlying conditions bracket who should stay in.
It was months after all this started that my letter from the Gov came!
Likewise our Council, still they must be seen to be doing the right thing!
I haven’t really been out and about since Jan10th.
The third eye op.
Started walking in the Cemetery but not as fit as I was and my foot hurt from gout ,so I have been a bit lazy.
I am cross with myself .
But good neighbours, my son not too far away ,phone, iPad
TV, radio , CD player etc I am alright.
Must start walking again or not fair to get a dog otherwise.
I have not seen the news tonight, but when we don’t get correct figures, very confusing information ,and people of lesser importance giving it to us,I can’t be bothered.
Keep well everyone.
Viktoria.
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"Who should wear a face mask or face covering?" Published 4th June
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51205344
Starts 15th June in England. The situation is different in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
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I know this is going back to comments first posted on this topic but I wanted to just say something about BBQ's.....
We use ours most of the time during the summer when the weather is pleasant and my OH is the cook...
We've never, in the 30+ years he's been doing it, had uncooked or burnt offerings. I usually marinade all meat first and then he cooks it... he always gets complimented from friends & family and he enjoys doing it, he does also cook meals in the kitchen at other times of the year but I never use the BBQ as he says it's his chance to give me a break from doing most of the cooking... ours doesn't smell and it's an enjoyable experience for everyone...
Regarding the wearing of masks, there are lots of ideas on how to have home made ones from simply folding fabric and using elastic bands to getting out your sewing machine to run a few up for the family.
The group I've joined who started off making hospital scrubs have also made hundreds of masks....so I'm sure there must be such groups in most areas.
Caroline
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Thanks, Maiden Stone and Caw1, I hadn’t planned on going out ,but it would be handy to know where to get a mask if there is real necessity.
IfI get my machine sorted out I will have a bash.
Thanks again.
Viktoria.
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I understood the general opinion on face masks was that it was very doubtful they did any good in stopping the virus.
That was the last time before today that I tuned into the 5pm political broadcast. sorry corona virus bulletin, which admittedly was some time ago (apart from at the time of the Cummings fiasco).
So, is this yet another about turn? Where am I supposed to get a face mask? I thought they were supposed to be so rare they were going on the open market for 6 toilet rolls and a packet of pasta?
I switched on the bulletin by mistake today (I was really looking for Hunting Bigfoot, which is much more entertaining but then again just about anything else would be) and that little chap with the fluffy hairdo was trying to sell me an electric scooter! I swear! Always thought he looked like a second hand car salesman.....
No it's not an about turn, wearing a face covering is to protect other people from any virus you might breath out if you have it.
Not about protecting you from others.
cheers
Guy
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Has anyone noticed the recent report that the local planning authority for the Durham area has been asked to investigate the lack of a planning permission for a separate dwelling at North Lodge? Apparently, no council tax has been paid for it either!
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I understood the general opinion on face masks was that it was very doubtful they did any good in stopping the virus.
That was the last time before today that I tuned into the 5pm political broadcast. sorry corona virus bulletin, which admittedly was some time ago (apart from at the time of the Cummings fiasco).
So, is this yet another about turn? Where am I supposed to get a face mask? I thought they were supposed to be so rare they were going on the open market for 6 toilet rolls and a packet of pasta?
I switched on the bulletin by mistake today (I was really looking for Hunting Bigfoot, which is much more entertaining but then again just about anything else would be) and that little chap with the fluffy hairdo was trying to sell me an electric scooter! I swear! Always thought he looked like a second hand car salesman.....
I agree it is another about turn, but policies change as more knowledge becomes available, as Maiden Stone said.
However Grant Schapps did try to make it clear that the 'science' did not fully support the wearing of face masks/coverings as a way to limit spread of this coronavirus. Indicating that the policy has not been changed for scientific reasons.
But whatever the reasoning behind the decision, there has to be a public campaign educating people in how to put them on and take them off properly. Everytime I see some one on TV using one incorrectly, I inwardly groan - touching the front after use, pulling it down by the front to talk or eat, taking it off by the front instead of the sides etc. etc.
If you have the virus already, I don't suppose it matters all that much how you use it. It is the people who erroneously think it is giving them some protection that are more likely to suffer from misuse.
Regards Margaret
Added: I quite like the idea of an electric scooter, but don't think it would be advised, I can't keep upright on an ordinary bike. My bones won't take another major fall!
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Has anyone noticed the recent report that the local planning authority for the Durham area has been asked to investigate the lack of a planning permission for a separate dwelling at North Lodge? Apparently, no council tax has been paid for it either!
I read an article a few days ago. No planning permission, situated in a conservation area and no permission from national coal board which is also required. Land registry shows property's recorded owners being parents and adult children.
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Has anyone noticed the recent report that the local planning authority for the Durham area has been asked to investigate the lack of a planning permission for a separate dwelling at North Lodge? Apparently, no council tax has been paid for it either!
Depends whether Mr C. Snr. has any "influential" contacts on the Planning Committee.
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Looks to be in the Burnhall Conservation Area which seems not to have been reviewed since its inception. I doubt whether the conversion of part of an existing building would raise any conservation issues though. The buillding containing the "separate dwelling" has been there for some considerable time.
The actual conversion of an existing building doesn't in itself require planning permission unless this materially alters its external appearance but permission is required for carrying out a material change in the use of land - e.g. the use of an existing building as a separate dwelling. The usual problem a local planning authority would have is gathering sufficient evidence to prove that a building has been so used and it must be something of a luxury to have a statement broadcast to the nation confirming this!
The matter of council tax is a separate issue.
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I should imagine that's why Cummings started backtracking when describing where he and his wife and child had stayed. At first it was a home but by the end of his blather it was merely a block of concrete (or words to that effect, Guy, before you correct me).
Oh and, by the way, the face mask thing IS an about turn because they definitely said masks hadn't been proved to minimise the spread of the virus and they still haven't.
Its not a science-led decision but a political one, as are most of the decisions they've been making recently. Get the bu--ers back to work seems to be the new mantra (though I doubt it will appear emblazoned on the front of the rostrums any time soon!) so let them think a face mask will protect them.
I've lost all faith in what they say (I did have some at the start of this, honest!). I defended Boris at the start when most people were calling him a liar but now I get what they meant. Everything they do now is, in their words, 'strictly following the science' and 'world beating'. What world are they living in, for goodness sake? We're the laughing stock of the world. We are no longer 'world beating' nor have we been for quite some time.
Its a pity Woolworths is no longer around. I used to say that the sainted Diana could have done with a stint working in there, but it would have worked just as well for the majority of our so called leaders (if you didn't mind your pick 'n' mix being made a pig's ear of!!!).
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I see the cardiologist who threatened to resign from the NHS if Cummings was still in post has been as good as his word & resigned.
Skoosh.
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I've been busy so I didn't get to hear/watch the latest briefing but, from my favoured newspaper, I see that Valance has announced that the R is slightly up from last week
The R value in England has risen to between 0.7 and 1, according to the government’s latest official estimates with some regions now at risk of seeing a rise in the number of infections.
The latest data suggests that the north-west of England is an area for concern and that some local authorities may have R-values – the rate of transmission – above 1, at which point the epidemic will begin to grow in these communities.
The Government’s chief scientific adviser Sir Patrick Vallance told a virtual briefing with journalists on Friday the R-number - the average number of people that will contract coronavirus from an infected person - for England was between 0.7 and 1, while it remained between 0.7 and 0.9 for the UK as a whole.
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I see that, today, Halfcock has gone the whole cock and, instead of the three stooges he’s just there all by himself!
Is he concerned that the experts at the other two rectums are going to spill the beans and actually tell the truth?
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I understood the general opinion on face masks was that it was very doubtful they did any good in stopping the virus.
So, is this yet another about turn? Where am I supposed to get a face mask? I thought they were supposed to be so rare they were going on the open market for 6 toilet rolls and a packet of pasta?
I agree it is another about turn, but policies change as more knowledge becomes available, as Maiden Stone said.
However Grant Schapps did try to make it clear that the 'science' did not fully support the wearing of face masks/coverings as a way to limit spread of this coronavirus. Indicating that the policy has not been changed for scientific reasons.
There is no agreement on effectiveness. They have been described as "a potentially useful extra tool". Most important are physical distancing and handwashing.
Information, differing points of view + instructions on making simple face coverings on this web-page:
"Coronavirus: Widen Rules on where face coverings must be used, say U.K. doctors"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52930245
Further down page is analysis by David Shukman, Science Editor under heading "A potentially useful tool"
There are links from this page to:
"Face masks: Should I be wearing one? (5th June)
"Public transport: Is it safe to travel? (18th May)
"Risks at work: How safe is your job? (14th May)
An article in today's "Independent" reports differing views. Quotes Professor Anthony Costello, UCL Institute for Global Health "there is no perfect evidence"; 2 reviews published by "The Lancet" and the Royal Society showed face coverings can help reduce viral transmission on public transport.
Prof. Anthony Costello interview "Today" programme Radio 4.
Scottish SAGE recommended face coverings 28th April. See my reply 21.
Experts give their opinions. It's up to politicians to consider advice and decide whether to apply it to the current situation.
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I only ever bought one newspaper a week and haven't had one since the start of lockdown. Maybe some links would help.
Try this -
https://www.easylifegroup.com/
:)
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Thank you LLwyd. Are they all as expensive as that? Nearly fifteen quid for three reusable ones and an extra fiver delivery. Some businesses are going bust but I can't see this being one of them. Just an observation.
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Thank you LLwyd. Are they all as expensive as that? Nearly fifteen quid for three reusable ones and an extra fiver delivery. Some businesses are going bust but I can't see this being one of them. Just an observation.
As a character in "Goodness Gracious Me" often said "I can make it at home".
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My daughter bought us some face coverings and masks a couple of weeks ago from Amazon; prices were quite reasonable too. There are also several 'how-tos' online to make masks, both sewn and unsewn. However, I can't for the life of me work out how the unsewn variety would hold together when worn, so I'd be interested to hear if anyone perfects one.
Referring to the Cummings estate in Durham, I understand that the only planning permission sought (other than for the removal of trees) was to put a roof over the swimming pool. And my question is, with all that money they have, why? Why would you cheat and avoid planning fees and disobey the planning laws, when you have so much? Is it just a game, to get something for free? Or is it that they think they are above the law? Please don't anyone try to tell me that it was an oversight because they are busy people. No-one else would be able to use that as an excuse and it would equate to "We are very important, and planning laws and council tax only apply to little people".
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I have made many masks now, pleated and the puffin style. Cost around 60p to make and they are washable at 60 degrees. Instructions are on YouTube. I have also tried out fabric folding ones (Men’s handkerchief size) with elastic bands, they do work but not neat or particularly comfortable.
The ones I have made have gone to the local hospices.
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I'll have a look at those on YouTube - thanks! I might even be lured back to using my sewing machine once more. For some reason I have grown to detest it, which is strange since at one point in my career I was assistant wardrobe mistress for a rep theatre, and I used to design and make all my own clothes when I was cool and cared what I looked like. Nowadays I freak out at the thought of shortening curtains. ;D
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Some people really need educating about the use of face masks.
While sitting in he car in the car park for the local shops, a car pulled up next to mine, the male driver was wearing a face mask but before he got out of the car he took the mask off and put it on the passenger seat and then went into the shops, so what is the point of wearing it while driving but not when shopping ???
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Some people really need educating about the use of face masks.
While sitting in he car in the car park for the local shops, a car pulled up next to mine, the male driver was wearing a face mask but before he got out of the car he took the mask off and put it on the passenger seat and then went into the shops, so what is the point of wearing it while driving but not when shopping ???
A) He wanted to look like he's tenpence short of a bob
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Yesterday at the briefing government said that face coverings would be compulsory for hospital visitors, also that NHS staff would have to wear masks at all times from 15 June.
Yesterday WHO organisation also changed it's advice - everyone should wear masks where physical distancing cannot be achieved.
Over 60s and vulnerable should wear medical grade masks.
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks
Regards Margaret
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Criticism from NHS leader about the lack of consultation re changes in policy being announced on Friday evening.
With the scrapping of Downing Street weekend briefings, there will be no opportunity to publicly question these policies either.
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I've just been reading the report about that, heywood. Surely they should have been consulted or is this policy on the hoof yet again ::)
I despair.
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It's ridiculous, they just throw these things in and expect people to comply without any proper information. Medical grade masks? Do they really think people will be able to just pick these up the same day? It's like when Matt Hancock told people not to panic buy and to use supermarket deliveries, no-one would starve he said. What a fiasco that turned out to be. There'll now be people trying to buy medical grade masks and can't get them for weeks. Does that mean they have to stay indoors, not only the over 70s, now including the over 60s. Absolutely crazy.
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At the moment, the advice in UK for members of public is unchanged, you don't have to wear a face mask or covering anywhere.
This changes in England from next Monday, we will have to wear a face covering in hospitals or on public transport. I am hoping that certainly in the former case, masks will be provided, and on public transport you can wear a simple face covering if nothing else available.
The WHO has recommended the over 60s and vulnerable wear a medical mask if social distancing cannot be avoided, i.e. shops, transport etc. As this is only a recommendation, which individual countries can take up or not, as they see fit, nobody will have to stay indoors if they can't get a mask.
Await developments here to see if BJ takes WHO up on this latest recommendation.
Regards Margaret
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I see that, today, Halfcock has gone the whole cock and, instead of the three stooges he’s just there all by himself!
Is he concerned that the experts at the other two rectums are going to spill the beans and actually tell the truth?
I think you mean lectern, but to be honest rectums spilling the beans is a perfectly accurate description of the government and the advisors (still haven't got over Dr Harries saying that we'll know that the contact tracers are genuine, because they will sound professional..............)
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I thought he meant rectums ;)
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I thought he meant rectums ;)
Yes - I think I might start calling them rectums too. Particularly when Hatt Mancock is speaking.
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I know its my age but everytime I read "The WHO recommends.."I have this vision of Roger Daltry swinging his mike whilst telling us to wear a face mask or fffff..ade away!!
So, if I want to go on a bus (I haven't for a couple of months now but I've just checked and they seem to be still running) and I'm not wearing this year's must-have accessory over my face, my presence will be declined?
Its not too bad if its cold like today but if we get up into the 70s again (temperature, not age!) it will be stifling. I'm not good with heat at the best of times. If I thought it would genuinely do any good, I'd accept it but as its a sop to what this government thinks is our 5 year old mentality and, anyway, 3 months later then the rest of Europe, I'm not playing!!
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I thought he meant rectums ;)
I’ve never been accused of calling a spade a “digging implement”!
There are also several interesting bits in The Times this morning. By way of example, Matthew Parris pulls few punches in his analysis of Daft Boris and a retired consultant respiratory physician points out that certain masks; i.e. those equipped with exhalation valves, will allow unfiltered air from the wearer into the environment.
I’m not aware that the he current government edict to wear masks on public transport etc. specifies what type of mask should be worn - perhaps they forgot to ask the experts - but, as we all know, they are the experts!
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They just said face coverings in respect to transport. There are some £1.99 reusuable ones which b and m sell(they are under the counter at the till so you have to ask). They are on multibuy so 3 for a fiver. They are also have packs with 5 of the white surgical fold type and are reusable for £9.99. The £1.99 ones are just like a bit of nylon stocking. Its a face covering though! Think the ones that home bargains and poundland are selling are similar. I aint spending money on paper facemasks . They are really varying in price. There's that many types available so people probably have difficulty in choosing and they have to wait for delivery. I've not used public transport for a few months and I may go on the metro in a few weeks time so bought cheapo ones and at least i'm complying. With all the protesting going on , they feel they've got to do something suppose.
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So, if I want to go on a bus (I haven't for a couple of months now but I've just checked and they seem to be still running) and I'm not wearing this year's must-have accessory over my face, my presence will be declined?
I hope so, for the sake of the other passengers.
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I just feel that it's now a small group of BJ and DCs favourites, sitting around a table (socially distanced to the best of their ability - do they know what 2m is?) deciding what they can come up with as the great idea for the day ::) ::) ::)
I bet that on Monday they will announce that face garments must be worn in shops.
Add - and a change in the Sunday Trading laws
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I just feel that it's now a small group of BJ and DCs favourites, sitting around a table (socially distanced to the best of their ability - do they know what 2m is?) deciding what they can come up with as the great idea for the day ::) ::) ::)
I bet that on Monday they will announce that face garments must be worn in shops.
I think they may say that on Monday for shops as well, but at least they can say they are following WHO advice!
They won't, in all honesty, be able to say they are following the 'science'!!!
But even 2 metres isn't agreed on by all countries/all scientists - WHO recommends 1 metres, other 'experts' say 2 metres isn't far enough.
All you can do is your best, which hopefully will be good enough. I will make my own judgements on some things, and I will try to follow the law, though as it changes every week or so it might be difficult to do.
Little old grans and others with no internet access or family/friends to keep them updated could fall foul of the law.
Regards Margaret
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I just feel that it's now a small group of BJ and DCs favourites, sitting around a table (socially distanced to the best of their ability - do they know what 2m is?) deciding what they can come up with as the great idea for the day ::) ::) ::)
I bet that on Monday they will announce that face garments must be worn in shops.
I think they may say that on Monday for shops as well, but at least they can say they are following WHO advice!
They won't, in all honesty, be able to say they are following the 'science'!!!
But even 2 metres isn't agreed on by all countries/all scientists - WHO recommends 1 metres, other 'experts' say 2 metres isn't far enough.
All you can do is your best, which hopefully will be good enough. I will make my own judgements on some things, and I will try to follow the law, though as it changes every week or so it might be difficult to do.
Little old grans and others with no internet access or family/friends to keep them updated could fall foul of the law.
Regards Margaret
Well, exactly! I do my best to see the funny side of all this because, if I didn't, I think I'd explode. These people are making it up as they go along and making U turns here, there and everywhere. It worries me that they can just announce that we have to do X and everyone has to do it, whether we consider it sensible or even safe.
Incidentally, I understand that Hancock did yesterday's broadcast on his own. Was there an explanation given for this? Were there no medical/scientific types available? Or is the medical/science world waking up to the fact that they're only there to make up the numbers and/or are despairing of the government's erratic pronouncements and no longer wish to be associated?
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Matt Hancock was indeed there by himself yesterday, and no explanation at all was given that I heard, but my hearing has deteriorated rapidly this last week.
Regards Margaret
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There is speculation as to why Hancock appeared by himself: (a) That the govt has given up any pretence of 'following the science', so has decided to say whatever they please without having to worry about scientists/medical personnel contradicting them; or (b) the scientists/medics are so appalled at the govt's mishandling of the pandemic and manipulation of threat levels, that they are distancing themselves for fear of ruining their professional reputations. Or perhaps it's both.
Since we have about the highest number of deaths per 1m population in the world, and Johnson claims that we are successful, it does beg the question that if success means in excess of 60,000 deaths, what constitutes failure?
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There's definitely been a more nuanced approach by 'The Scientists' in the last week. I noticed in a piece in either the Times or Guardian that Sage recommended that Track and Trace should be increase in mid-February but they stopped in March
and North of the border:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pk3/
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The good news as if there was'nt enough already is that a loo roll factory in Bridgend is spending £100 million on expanding its loo roll production. ::)
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It will be interesting to see if anyone, other than the government bod, turns up for the next broadcast.
If not, how about the ubiquitous Rylan Clark telling us how to play online bingo on the right, and, on the left, the lovely Debbie McGee giving us a few dancing lessons?
It would be marginably (I'm smiling!) more informative. Any other suggestions for the two empty podiums?
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Must admit that i'm wondering whether they'll announce you need masks in shops soon and also try toreduce the social distance. I'm finding in shops, people are dilly dalling and you get the odd one using the phone whilst you are waiting to walk where they are and they don't bother even if they see you. Also think wearing masks is going to make people take more risks, the odd few are already doing it. What's gonna happen when really bad weather sets in for any length of timeif we are still doing social distancing ?
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Little old grans and others with no internet access or family/friends to keep them updated could fall foul of the law.
Some might be frightened to go out.
What are passengers who have travel passes with photo ID supposed to do?
Don't forget little old granddads.
Also, powers that be, don't forget people who are deaf or hard of hearing. How will they cope in a world where so many have covered mouths? Visually impaired already people feel isolated and fearful in Covid land.
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Also they say the police are gonna do their own track and trace for their officers due to security reasons.
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I just feel that it's now a small group of BJ and DCs favourites, sitting around a table (socially distanced to the best of their ability - do they know what 2m is?) deciding what they can come up with as the great idea for the day ::) ::) ::)
I bet that on Monday they will announce that face garments must be worn in shops.
I think they may say that on Monday for shops as well, but at least they can say they are following WHO advice!
They won't, in all honesty, be able to say they are following the 'science'!!!
But even 2 metres isn't agreed on by all countries/all scientists - WHO recommends 1 metres, other 'experts' say 2 metres isn't far enough.
All you can do is your best, which hopefully will be good enough. I will make my own judgements on some things, and I will try to follow the law, though as it changes every week or so it might be difficult to do.
Little old grans and others with no internet access or family/friends to keep them updated could fall foul of the law.
Regards Margaret
With regards the distance of two metres it has been explained on various occassions why this was chosen rather than 1 metre.
Here is the BBC version by David Shukman Science editor -
"In a study published in the medical journal The Lancet, scientists evaluated recent research into how the coronavirus can spread.
They conclude that keeping at least 1m from other people could be the best way to limit the chances of infection.
The risk of being infected is estimated to be 13% within 1m, but only 3% beyond that distance.
And the study says that for every extra metre of distance up to 3m, the risk is further reduced by half."
However that is only part of the equation as not only is distance important but also the longer you spend in close proximity with an infected person, the bigger the risk.
Scientists advising the UK government say that spending six seconds at a distance of 1m from someone is the same as spending one minute at a distance of 2m.
Being exposed to someone coughing is riskier. Being 2m away from a cough carries the same risk as someone talking to you for 30 minutes at the same distance.contact.
If that research is accurate then the compromise Canada, Spain and the UK take is sensible as it takes into account variations due to time & distance.
Cheers
Guy
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Must admit that i'm wondering whether they'll announce you need masks in shops soon and also try toreduce the social distance. I'm finding in shops, people are dilly dalling and you get the odd one using the phone whilst you are waiting to walk where they are and they don't bother even if they see you.
Do they not have shopping lists? I write a list in the same order as items are in store.
It's 5 months since I was in a big supermarket.
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As far as the reputations of those appearing with the politicos is concerened, they lost any cedibility with me weeks ago.
There was a brief interview with Nobell Prize winner, Professor Sir Paul Nurse (who I suspect might know a bit more than most of the numpties) on C4’s Dispatches programme when he described the government’s response to the Crick Institute’s offer to carry out some of the testing analysis as “Like poking a blancmange - it wobbles for a bit and then goes back to the shape it was beforehand”.
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I just feel that it's now a small group of BJ and DCs favourites, sitting around a table (socially distanced to the best of their ability - do they know what 2m is?) deciding what they can come up with as the great idea for the day ::) ::) ::)
I bet that on Monday they will announce that face garments must be worn in shops.
I think they may say that on Monday for shops as well, but at least they can say they are following WHO advice!
They won't, in all honesty, be able to say they are following the 'science'!!!
But even 2 metres isn't agreed on by all countries/all scientists - WHO recommends 1 metres, other 'experts' say 2 metres isn't far enough.
All you can do is your best, which hopefully will be good enough. I will make my own judgements on some things, and I will try to follow the law, though as it changes every week or so it might be difficult to do.
Little old grans and others with no internet access or family/friends to keep them updated could fall foul of the law.
Regards Margaret
With regards the distance of two metres it has been explained on various occassions why this was chosen rather than 1 metre.
Here is the BBC version by David Shukman Science editor -
"In a study published in the medical journal The Lancet, scientists evaluated recent research into how the coronavirus can spread.
They conclude that keeping at least 1m from other people could be the best way to limit the chances of infection.
The risk of being infected is estimated to be 13% within 1m, but only 3% beyond that distance.
And the study says that for every extra metre of distance up to 3m, the risk is further reduced by half."
However that is only part of the equation as not only is distance important but also the longer you spend in close proximity with an infected person, the bigger the risk.
Scientists advising the UK government say that spending six seconds at a distance of 1m from someone is the same as spending one minute at a distance of 2m.
Being exposed to someone coughing is riskier. Being 2m away from a cough carries the same risk as someone talking to you for 30 minutes at the same distance.contact.
If that research is accurate then the compromise Canada, Spain and the UK take is sensible as it takes into account variations due to time & distance.
Cheers
Guy
I think most of us have some idea as to why 2 metres was chosen, and I agree, it seems a sensible compromise.
However, there is no 'science' to back this distance up, and our politicians are always going on about the 'science'.
On the same day I read two different articles, one saying that 1 metre was more than adequate, another saying it should be nearer to 5 metres. Neither of them fully scientific if I remember, can't provide links, think one of them at least was from an epidemiological point of view.
Basically, you pays your money and takes your choice!
Margaret
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We (Isle of Man) are expecting an announcement this next week on reducing the 2 metres to 1 metre.
I'll let you know how it goes ;D
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I think most of us have some idea as to why 2 metres was chosen, and I agree, it seems a sensible compromise.
However, there is no 'science' to back this distance up, and our politicians are always going on about the 'science'.
On the same day I read two different articles, one saying that 1 metre was more than adequate, another saying it should be nearer to 5 metres. Neither of them fully scientific if I remember, can't provide links, think one of them at least was from an epidemiological point of view.
Basically, you pays your money and takes your choice!
Margaret
On the contrary there is plenty of research on the subject but as a stated a compromise to give a set distance for the general public to accept rather than confuse them by specifying different distances according to different circumstances.
For an indication on some of the research see.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pk4/
Cheers
Guy
PS If however you are referring to the safety of medics rather than the public, the science on masks is way out of date (based on 1930 science) and should be updated, but then medical masks would not offer enough protection, which is what the stats imply
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As far as the reputations of those appearing with the politicos is concerened, they lost any cedibility with me weeks ago.
There was a brief interview with Nobell Prize winner, Professor Sir Paul Nurse (who I suspect might know a bit more than most of the numpties) on C4’s Dispatches programme when he described the government’s response to the Crick Institute’s offer to carry out some of the testing analysis as “Like poking a blancmange - it wobbles for a bit and then goes back to the shape it was beforehand”.
I saw that Dispatches programme last week and had a chuckle at the blancmange description. I've seen Sir Paul Nurse on other programmes too and he always impresses me.
That programme was very critical of the way the epidemic has been handled in this country but in an apolitical way. It confirmed a lot of my previous suspicions about what little action was taken in the early days and was altogether extremely worrying about our prospects for getting out of this mess. I'm sure it will still be on catch up if you'd like to check it out (Channel 4).
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Must admit that i'm wondering whether they'll announce you need masks in shops soon and also try toreduce the social distance. I'm finding in shops, people are dilly dalling and you get the odd one using the phone whilst you are waiting to walk where they are and they don't bother even if they see you.
Do they not have shopping lists? I write a list in the same order as items are in store.
It's 5 months since I was in a big supermarket.
No, they often do not have shopping lists. I get very frustrated when I see someone talking on their phone in a supermarket and saying things like 'is this the tin of beans you want? Or this one?'. In all fairness, sometimes they may be volunteering to do someone's shopping so I try to be tolerant.
Also, writing a list in the same order as items are in the store won't help much at the moment with many supermarkets having one-way systems. I haven't actually used one yet but I can guarantee the arrows won't go the way I want them to go.
Rishile
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Also, writing a list in the same order as items are in the store won't help much at the moment with many supermarkets having one-way systems. I haven't actually used one yet but I can guarantee the arrows won't go the way I want them to go.
The largest shop I use has 4 aisles. Half of 2nd aisle is crisps, sweets and chocolates, 4th aisle is alcohol. I just have to remember where items are in aisles 1, 2 & 3. Sometimes have to return to aisle 1.
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So if over 60s are all going to be expected to wear medical face masks when out and about, especially shopping, where will we get them from and who will pay for them? And can we be sure that we won't be using supplies that are needed in clinical or care settings? (I assume that if they are "medical" masks, this is where they are usually used.)
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So if over 60s are all going to be expected to wear medical face masks when out and about, …..
Has this been suggested? If so, I missed it.
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I've not seen this either. However, because I sometimes use powdered glass in my art work I do have four FFP3 masks that I can use if necessary.
Which mask is best for Coronavirus?
We recommend the following Masks, FFP1 GOOD (filters 80% particles), FFP2 (N95 KN95) EXCELLENT (filters 94% of particles) FFP3 (N99)THE BEST (filters 99% particles)
Note - these were bought a while back so not sure if they are OK. BUT I don't have the virus.
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I saw mentioned on here that no briefings will be held over the weekend. How did we know that? I was surprised enough that Matt Hancock took the briefing on his own yesterday, but when did they announce the weekend briefings would be cancelled?
I follow the briefings on YouTube in case I miss them on TV - today's just says 'it will be starting shortly' ???
I'm confused
Pat
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I live in a village where there is a small Co-op store. They have a one-way system currently, and an 'oldies hour' 8am - 9am each day. So I sneak in there on the dot of 8am, having carefully written a shopping list with everything in the right order. When I was in there recently, there was a customer ahead of me, so I waited by the door whilst he selected some fruit and moved on. I moved forward and took some bananas, as someone came into the shop behind me. So the three of us slowly proceeded in a stately manner through the shop, as though we were playing a game of Pacman. This method of shopping obviously doesn't allow an opportunity for browsing, or you hold everyone up. But it's great for the everyday odds and ends, to fill in the gaps between Asda deliveries.
I think they announced the end of weekend briefings the day before yesterday, Pat. They gave the reason as 'low viewing figures' as though it was in the same category as Blind Date, rather than essential and important information. Maybe they've just got bored of us, and think if they ignore us we will just lay down and die.
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So if over 60s are all going to be expected to wear medical face masks when out and about, …..
Has this been suggested? If so, I missed it.
As quoted before, P7 out of 16 -
https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks
Not UK or English policy, but WHO recommendations.
So if over 60s are all going to be expected to wear medical face masks when out and about, especially shopping, where will we get them from and who will pay for them? And can we be sure that we won't be using supplies that are needed in clinical or care settings? (I assume that if they are "medical" masks, this is where they are usually used.)
If WHO advice adopted here, the over 60s and vulnerable will not be diverting supplies from NHS. We will need them as much as the NHS do.
Regards Margaret
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I think they announced the end of weekend briefings the day before yesterday, Pat. They gave the reason as 'low viewing figures' as though it was in the same category as Blind Date, rather than essential and important information. Maybe they've just got bored of us, and think if they ignore us we will just lay down and die.
Thank you, Greensleeves, I'd missed that ::) yes I think your last comment just about sums it up. "Virus - what virus?" It's been bad enough to hear 'well of course there's always a lag of reported deaths for a weekend or BH' as if that's acceptable, if I were Health Minister I'd want accurate up-to-date daily figures on my desk EVERY morning.
Now the government need the weekend off too.
Thoroughly disillusioned now.
Pat
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I ventured to our local smallish asda today. As soon as you got past the security guard, there was a cardboard display stand full of disposable facemasks. Pack of four think it was £3.50. I bought one pack to have in , as husband may have to go to the hospital soon to get his hearing aid repaired. First time I've ever seen masks, so for £3.50 I thought it was worth it. They are clearly marked not for ppe and were manufactured on the 5th May, so fresh off the production line. If they make it compulsory wear for all shops, I'll try and make some.
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Following Margaret's post #88, here's a piece about WHO's recommendations, showing the recommended 3-layer type of mask:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/05/uk-under-pressure-to-rethink-face-masks-in-wake-of-who-advice
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I wonder if we will receive further advice from the government when it resumes its duties on Monday.
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I see Tameside, our next door local authority have strongly advised schools not to reopen until 22nd June because of the ‘R’ number being too high. Other authorities are considering their actions.
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My reception age grandaughter was supposed to be going back to school last week, delayed by the local Council until this Monday, even though everything was in place. Mum bought some summer dresses and new school shoes in preparation. GD excited, 'only two more sleeps'.
Tonight a message from school, because of the R rate in NW England, school will not open on Monday.
We are going to see them tomorrow, I've got a few knitted things for her teddies, hope it might soften the blow!
Regards Margaret
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Having read on here that people have been so industrious making masks, I made a prototype today which isn't bad at all. There seemed to be plenty of how-tos on the internet, but I couldn't find a pattern with dimensions without downloading, and I'm reluctant to do that from sites I don't know. So by trial and error I've made my first 'puffin' mask, which fits well and is comfortable. I am thinking I might progress to making a plague doctor's mask which might be appropriate. Daughter and I do have some masks, but I am thinking that if we're actually allowed out, and when she's readmitted to hospital for surgery, we're going to need a lot of masks, which will be in the wash each time they're worn. The unfortunate thing about the mask I've made is that I used a piece of Indian sari cotton, and the design looks like a row of uneven, grinning teeth. ;D
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I see Tameside, our next door local authority have strongly advised schools not to reopen until 22nd June because of the ‘R’ number being too high. Other authorities are considering their actions.
Coronavirus infection rate - R rate, is at 1.01 in the North West region, the highest in U.K.
NW experienced a peak later than majority of other areas (Dr. Andrew Furber, Public Health England North West region director, Lancashire Evening Telegraph 5th June)
Public Health Director of Lancashire County Council, Dr. Karunanithi advised caution lifting lockdown in areas where there are ongoing high levels of community transmission. (Lancashire Evening Telegraph 5th June)
"Last week directors of public health warned the government that we felt the lockdown lifting was proceeding too quickly, without adequate gaps between lockdown lifting measures to assess the impacts and outcomes of each measure." (Prof. Dominic Harrison, Director of Public Health, Blackburn & Darwen, Lancashire Evening Telegraph 5th June)
Lancashire County Council Public Health Director has warned schools in Hyndburn, Burnley, Ribble Valley, Pendle and Rossendale to delay reopening until 15th June. (Lancashire Evening Telegraph 6th June)
Director of Public Health for Blackburn with Darwen has advised schools to postpone opening until 22nd June.
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The design looks like a row of grinning teeth”
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well as a little old granny well past 65 ,but who goes nowhere and has no contact really with anyone, ( my son keeps at least 2m from me when I go to pick up the shopping he puts on the garden table .He brings me
shopping that I haven’t got from Tesco,)He stays outside.
I am not sure that I will need masks.
I can see The Irish Famine conditions again, where sick people just closed their doors and lay down to die.
When we are not below R factor 1 it is madness to relax lockdown.
News Quiz last Saturday, one participant suggested that as China
has issued a grave warning of what will happen to anyone disrespecting their National Anthem,we should send as a Thankyou gift for their generosity
in giving us Covid 18, a recording of their anthem, and Sid Vicious and The Sex Pistols would be the ideal group!
Wonder why the NW is so hard hit?
If this is not gone by the time firms will have to contribute to the 80%
presently paid by the Government ,there will be dreadful hardship .
Who would think the conditions of the great depression of the 1920’s and 30’s would come back?
But it will be something like that.
And @#&&#@£ EU mithering about our exit, honestly!
Who needs China when we have that lot!
Oh let’s have a laugh, The Queen’s horses have been furloughed to Melton Mowbray, as no Trooping The Colour this year .
Wonder if they know pies are made there ?
Participant on News Quiz again, said he was always reminded of sleazey strip clubs etc when he saw funeral horses.
He thought it must be all the leather and feathers .
Hope everyone is well , and your families .
I know some are in the middle of treatment and that is a great worry .
Let’s hope kind wishes and hopes do some good .
Delivery from Tesco tomorrow, so off to do the fridge.
Goodnight .
Viktoria.
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Brexit mastermind Dominic Cummings, what happened to him? Scotland voted massively remain & every region voted remain, so remain it will be by hook or by crook. We may be out pro-tem but the EU flag still flies at Holyrood! ;D
Skoosh.
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25/04/2016 - Tony Benn on the European Union:
"I can think of no body of men outside the Kremlin who have so much power without a shred of accountability for what they do".
That says it all.
:)
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25/04/2016 - Tony Benn on the European Union:
"I can think of no body of men outside the Kremlin who have so much power without a shred of accountability for what they do".
That says it all.
:)
That (conveniently!) ignores the Mandarins of Whitehall ;D
Oh! And Dominic Cummings, of course >:(
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Well talk about mixed messages !
We must stay in BUT ,we must go out and get tested if we have symptoms, so spreading the virus .!
We must then stay in,self isolating.
Treatment?
What happens then. .?
Do we close the door and fade away?
It is madness.
In fairness we have not really experienced anything quite like this before , even the flu epidemic , our advanced knowledge ,though helpful is not really solving the problem.
I am so sorry for young families.
Viktoria.
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Well talk about mixed messages !
We must stay in BUT ,we must go out and get tested if we have symptoms, so spreading the virus .!
We must then stay in,self isolating.
Treatment?
What happens then. .?
Do we close the door and fade away?
It is madness.
In fairness we have not really experienced anything quite like this before , even the flu epidemic , our advanced knowledge ,though helpful is not really solving the problem.
I am so sorry for young families.
Viktoria.
Sorry folks, don’t know what happened there!
Ignore me I am daft !
V
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Anent Dominic Cummings, he spent some time in Russia learning how to con the gullible big time & to great effect! ;D
Tony Benn was nae mug, regards electability, Scotland has not voted Tory since 1955 when they won by half a per-cent. not a shred of accountability indeed!
Skoosh.
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I've bought a mask. Medical grade, single use, disposable. The Spar shop have had them in stock for a couple of weeks; single adult, single child size, boxes of 10 adult size. I asked the price of a box - £13.99. I bought 1 mask. It's to wear to a hospital appointment. At that price I won't be going anywhere else for a long time.
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I've bought a mask. Medical grade, single use, disposable. The Spar shop have had them in stock for a couple of weeks; single adult, single child size, boxes of 10 adult size. I asked the price of a box - £13.99. I bought 1 mask. It's to wear to a hospital appointment. At that price I won't be going anywhere else for a long time.
They have them on Amazon for cheaper but obviously it's difficult to tell the quality of them when you buy online. Many other countries provide masks to the vulnerable but I cannot see us doing that, sadly.
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Where are The Chartists when we need them?
One man one vote.
Secret ballots .
Universal suffrage ( but only for men in those days!)
Equality in size of Constituencies.
Abolishment of land ownership for MPs.
YearlyGeneral Elections .
Proportional representation.
Etc.
The last four would be nice!
But, the times will be a’changing !
Things might never be the same again ,part of that will be good part not so good.
The Curate’s egg syndrome.
We will get through one way or another.
Viktoria.
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25/04/2016 - Tony Benn on the European Union:
"I can think of no body of men outside the Kremlin who have so much power without a shred of accountability for what they do".
That says it all.
Poor old Tony - he's never heard of China then.
Regards
Chas
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25/04/2016 - Tony Benn on the European Union:
"I can think of no body of men outside the Kremlin who have so much power without a shred of accountability for what they do".
That says it all.
Poor old Tony - he's never heard of China then.
Regards
Chas
Don't have to go as far as China.
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I've bought a mask. Medical grade, single use, disposable. The Spar shop have had them in stock for a couple of weeks; single adult, single child size, boxes of 10 adult size. I asked the price of a box - £13.99. I bought 1 mask. It's to wear to a hospital appointment. At that price I won't be going anywhere else for a long time.
Phone call from hospital this afternoon. Appointment changed to telephone consultation.
The mask will remain in the drawer where I put it last night. I'll probably have forgotten where it is by the time I need it.
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Nope, I've looked at the members of the European Union Commission and I cannot recollect having seen any of their names on a ballot paper, all 27 of them. The same applies to Russia and, believe it or not, for those of you concerned about it, China also.
Say what you like about this country, we do at least get a chance, by voting, to throw out any government we don't like. It may take four years but it is better than not having one, ever.
Tony Benn was right - despite what you say.
:)
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So why did we have elections for the European Parliament? It is they that have the vote and have the final say. Have you forgotten that odious, slimy Farage creature?
Regards
Chas
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Have you forgotten that odious, slimy Farage creature?
Chas
Was it a character in "The Hunting of the Snark"? ;D
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Item on news about children who have had to step up to become carers for a family member or increase existing caring responsibilities. Due in some cases to grandparents not being able to visit and help as they do in normal times.
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Nope, I've looked at the members of the European Union Commission and I cannot recollect having seen any of their names on a ballot paper, all 27 of them. The same applies to Russia and, believe it or not, for those of you concerned about it, China also.
Say what you like about this country, we do at least get a chance, by voting, to throw out any government we don't like. It may take four years but it is better than not having one, ever.
Tony Benn was right - despite what you say.
:)
The EU Commission has 1 representative per member country of the EU. These people are nominated by their Government.
In all the years I lived, and voted, in the UK I NEVER managed to vote for a winning candidate.
Effectively my vote was wasted every time :(
And I had zero chance of influencing my MP, let alone Government.
Stop believing these fairy stories! ;D ;D
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_European_Parliament_for_the_United_Kingdom,_2014%E2%80%9319
and;
https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/government_in_ireland/european_government/eu_institutions/european_commission.html
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Imagine anybody making a case for British democracy? fantasy island! The House of Lords is a disgrace, steeped in jobs for the boys/girls, awash with flummery, walking backwards & dead ferrets. Don't remember voting for any of that lot!
Skoosh.
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What a pity, oh what a pity ,that when given the chance by Wilson to leave
Europe it was not taken.
We,living abroad were not allowed to vote, we hoped and hoped the vote would be yes to leave.
Was there lack of information ,lack of interest, lack of understanding ?
Whatever , the remain vote had it.
We had only seen the tip of the bureaucratic iceberg nightmare , and still people fondly believe they were given a choice as to whether we joined or not.They mix the remain or not vote with a go in or stay out vote .
Which never happened.
Heath took us in without asking our consent .
In such a relatively small landmass ,with several ethnic groups , the outlying regions have always suffered .
Why should people in London “ The Great Wen”- decide what happens in a far away place, where almost everything is different ,and thereby destroy a way of life which has continued for centuries, pretty well ecologically balanced etc?
Why should regional accents and dialects be ridiculed ,they should be treasured !
I am fed up with “ darn sarff”, we should dig a trench right across the N/S
divide !
If they don’t understand us they can’t come in
You are made to feel you have committed a crime against Received Pronunciation when you speak - even with your posh voice on!.
For people who have never lived on a Hebridean Island to be able to decide what happens there is madness .
Centralisation is a curse, a crime and controversial .
Doesn’t it seem madness that we can get to the moon yet a relatively short sea journey to the mainland is made so hard that the islands are being depopulated when there is a housing shortage and land shortage on the mainland ?
I can only see this simplistically ,but it seems obvious to a simple minded soul .
What a tragedy that an ecologically balanced way of life is gradually disappearing.
Viktoria.
P.S.
Mention of Galicia reminds me I have not listened to Julio Iglesias for a while.I need my regular “ fix”.
“ Un Canto a Galicia”.V.
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I was one of the people who voted in 1975 to remain in the EU. At the time we did not know what a bureaucratic nightmare and interfering body it would become so I was content to remain. I was only in my very early twenties then and probably foolish as well but I finally saw sense and in 2016 I am proud to say I made amends for my 1975 stupidity.
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I never cease to be amazed by the number of people who fell for all the lies told about the EU!
I don't buy, or read, national newspapers, do I didn't get to read all the garbage written by the Sin, Daily Fail, or Torygraph ;D ;D
Oh! And I lived in Europe for 16 years! ;D
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Well I saw a side of it many would not have done.
Our neighbours were also English ,and her sister and brother came to live
in Gent.
They were to work in Brussels ,for the Common market!
They seemed to be on holiday every few weeks !
The pay was astronomical, lots of perks etc, can’t remember fully but the term gravy train springs to mind.
Meanwhile prices had risen in England under the big con of decimalisation and continued to rise.
You saw it when you only went over every few months for a shopping trip to Dover for properly fitted children’s shoes etc.
People naively thought,well some did, that decimalisation of currency and measures etc were the main part! ::)of joining.
I remember a politician saying ,years before we joined that we would be able to get wine at 16/- a bottle, I shouted at the radio,” fat lot of good that will be when the children need new shoes!”
What a con, and to be beholden to FRANCE!
Did Agincourt, Crecy, Poitiers mean nothing?.
The Black Prince, Prince Hal etc will be spinning in their tombs .
Not forgetting. WW1 and WW2 .
De lGaulle did not by any means mean it as a kindly refusal ,but had
the idiots in Whitehall only realised it he was doing us a favour by his “NON”.
All water under the bridge now, but where are collapsing bridges when you need them most ?
( I am not sure what I mean to say by that :-X)
I am off to feed the fish ,listening to Classic FM then Julio Iglesias!
Viktoria.
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Viktoria, Crumblie and KGarrad - you are, of course, entitled to your own opinions. Just as we are entitled to ignore them.
Regards
Chas