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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Kane57 on Wednesday 27 May 20 22:30 BST (UK)
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I am looking for information on William McMullan of Millquarter Ballyscullion or there about. He had a daughter (Lizzie) married in Belfast in 1900 at the age of 23 years. The bridesmaids name was Rose Devlin.
He had another daughter called Mary McLouaghan "I think", its difficult to make out.
Any help would much appreciated.
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Is this the marriage you are referring to?
Party 1 Name JOHN MURRAY
Party 2 Name LIZZIE MCMULLIN
Date of Event 15 April 1900
SR District/Reg Area Belfast
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10342/5765203.pdf
Her father is Wm McMullan
Millquarter townland in Grange of Ballyscullion CP, between Toome and Portglenone.
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/grange-of-ballyscullion/millquarter/
KG
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1901 census, Antrim St, Court Ward
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000279275/
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1901 census, Antrim St, Court Ward
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000279275/
.....and in 1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Clifton/Glenview_Street/184057/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001530299/
Son Daniel born 1905
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01787/1701714.pdf
KG
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Cannot seem to find Lizzie's birth. Have tried from 1874 to 1879 without a result.
Found a birth in Ballymoney, 1873, father William, Farmer & mother Bridget Gribben?
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Yes this is the family. I have the 1901 and 1911 census records for the family but I'm stuck with Lizzie Murrays father Wm McMullan. I cant seem to find any of this family. Lizzies first two sons John and William, were born in Ballyscullion at what I presume was either Wm Mc Mullans home or Lizzies sister Mary Mc Lenaghan named as present at Williams birth.
I am hoping that someone on here or from a local historical society will have some information.
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There is a family of McLenaghans living in Ballyscullion including a Mary, age 29 but she is not married, on 1901 census.
Are you sure she was her sister?
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Given your mention of Rose Devlin (as a witness to Lizzie McMullan's 1900 marriage), I briefly rooted around for a McMullan-Devlin angle and in so doing happened upon a transcript of a marriage for a William McMullan and a Catherine Devlin in 1856 in Duneane RC church. This couple went on to have children baptised in Duneane RC parish: Thomas bap. 1857, John bap. 1864, James bap. 1866, Nathaniel bap. 1869, William bap. 1871, and Elizabeth bap. 1874 - I struggled to find any associated civil birth registrations, maybe someone else with fresher eyes can.
But the only reason I mention this at all is that the stated address in the last two baptismal records (William in 1871 and Elizabeth in 1874) was the townland of Muckrim, which borders Millquarter...
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/duneane/muckrim/
Do you think this is a possibility?
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... He had another daughter called Mary McLouaghan "I think", its difficult to make out.
Why do you 'think' that he had a daughter Mary? Can you say what the source is for this, so we can all view it?
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Thanks all,
The source is the birth record of William McMullan in 1902, present at birth was what looks like Mary Mc Lenaghan/Louaghan or something similar, the sister of Lizzy McMullan.
I thought that Rose Devlin might have been the married name of another sister but I'm clutching at straws here.
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1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballyscullion/Millquarter/941475/
Mary McClanaghan and family
1897 birth of Sarah - daughter of Mary McClenaghan maiden name McMullan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02142/1813159.pdf
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I think Gaffy has found them.
William Murray's birth record was at Duneane, Muckrim, 1902
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I wonder if Mary was Laurence MClenaghan’s second wife looking at the age of the older daughter in 1901.
I can’t see a marriage though for McMullan/McClenaghan (with spelling variations) but there us one in 1877 for L Mc to Mary Toal. :-\
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Lawrence and Mary McLenaghan in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballyscullion/Mill_Quarter/124654/
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I think the Mary McLenaghan married to Lawrence is William McMullans daughter. Cant be absolutely sure without record of wedding. Who is her mother?
Any ideas?
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I can see a church marriage transcript for Laurence McLenaghan and Mary McCann who were married in Duneane RC Church on 18 May 1896, the witnesses were John Hamill and Elizabeth McMullan, again I can't readily find an associated civil registration.
Also in Duneane RC parish, what looks like a baptism of the daughter to this couple, Sarah, baptised on 15 February 1897, parents recorded as Laurence Mclenaghan and Mary McCann of Kilvillis, one of the sponsors was an Elizabeth McMullan - baptism date matches the DOB in the civil birth registration at reply #10.
Kilvillis borders Millquarter:
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/grange-of-ballyscullion/kilvillis/
This looks like Sarah's death in 1910:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05414/4512886.pdf
I wonder if this is daughter Maggie in the 1901 census return at reply #10?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02694/1992060.pdf
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Yes that looks very possible gaffy.
I was thinking that Laurence was married twice because of his age :-\
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A son James McCann born to James McCann and Mary McMullan in 1886:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02606/1962261.pdf
Death of James McCann senior in 1889:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1889/06154/4758290.pdf
His will is digitised and free to view on the PRONI website:
The Will of James M'Cann late of Millquarter County Antrim Farmer who died 18 February 1889 at same place was proved at Belfast by Daniel Scullion of Millquarter Farmer one of the Executors.
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
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Daughter Catherine to James McCann and Mary McMullen in 1883:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02752/2010972.pdf
And Catherine b. 1888:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1888/02508/1929835.pdf
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Death of Catherine, 1889
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1889/06154/4758291.pdf
Mary had a daughter Catherine in 1905 with Laurence Mc.
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Maybe a prior marriage for James McCann?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1865/11558/8251706.pdf
I can see baptismal transcripts for several children to this couple from 1865 to 1878. Death for Mary (Murray) in 1878?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020504/7195340.pdf
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A church marriage transcript for the Duneane RC Church registers shows a James McCann marrying a Mary McMullan on 27 November 1879, witnesses John McMullan and Margaret Drain, no other information, frustratingly yet again, I can't see a civil record.
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It’s becoming very complicated :)
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I've just found the marriage record for Michael McMullan and Rose McNeill. I think this is what I'm looking for. If it turns out that Rose is named on Mary and Lizzies birth records then bingo.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1865/11586/8263791.pdf
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Given your mention of Rose Devlin (as a witness to Lizzie McMullan's 1900 marriage), I briefly rooted around for a McMullan-Devlin angle and in so doing happened upon a transcript of a marriage for a William McMullan and a Catherine Devlin in 1856 in Duneane RC church. This couple went on to have children baptised in Duneane RC parish: Thomas bap. 1857, John bap. 1864, James bap. 1866, Nathaniel bap. 1869, William bap. 1871
, and Elizabeth bap. 1874 - I struggled to find any associated civil birth registrations, maybe someone else with fresher eyes can.
But the only reason I mention this at all is that the stated address in the last two baptismal records (William in 1871 and Elizabeth in 1874) was the townland of Muckrim, which borders Millquarter...
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/duneane/muckrim/
Do you think this is a possibility?
I have just obtained a copy of the church marriage records for Elizabeth ( Lizzie) McMullan to John Murray. It states that Elizabeth’s mother’s name is Catherine nee Devlin. This means that gaffe was correct from the start. I am now finally sure I am at last on the correct course. Thanks again gaffe and all.
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It’s been quite a while since I visited this. Gaffy if you see this, what was the source of the transcript of William McMullan and Catherine Devlin marriage. How did you access the source naming their children? I have been unable to find them in the civil registrations. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
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It’s been quite a while since I visited this. Gaffy if you see this, what was the source of the transcript of William McMullan and Catherine Devlin marriage. How did you access the source naming their children? I have been unable to find them in the civil registrations. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
Dunean RC parish records, start reading 10 lines up from the bottom across both pages, the date looks like Jan 1856, 1st: Wm McMullan was married to Cath. Devlin in presence of James Devlin & Mary Donnell.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633174?locale=en#page/88/mode/1up
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Thomas bap. 1857, Feb 1:
Thos. McMullan of Wm & Cath Devlin
Sp. Nathaniel McMullan & Mary Donnell [or maybe McDonnell]
[added later in between] married to Mary Ann Walsh Aug 30 1915 [parish priest's name John Nolan]
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633174#page/56/mode/1up (second entry down from top)
Civil record for his marriage:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09816/5564385.pdf
The later childrens' baptisms are all from 'RootsIreland' transcript.
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Thanks very much for that. Do you know, does that mean they were married in the RC Church in Toome or the Chaple at Moneyglass?
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The RC chapel in Toome was only built in the 1960,s so I guess that answers that question.
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Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland of 1837 said about Duneane that 'the R. C. parish is co-extensive with that of the Established Church; there are chapels at Moneyglass and Cargin, the former built in 1826.'
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The marriage record shows the marriage was at the Roman Catholic Chapel of Moneyglass.
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Sorry, I thought Kane57 meant the 1856 marriage.
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Oh I thought the question referred to the previous post.
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Apologies I’m not making this very clear. My confusion is regarding the name of the Chapel in Moneyglass. The civil records for the marriage of Thomas McMullan (1915) record the chapel as St Mary’s Moneyglass when in fact the current name is Our Lady of Lourdes, Moneyglass. Was there a name change?
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I’m sure someone will correct me if I am wrong, but I think it used to be historically that the church in a locality was the Church of Ireland and Catholic places of worship were referred to as Chapels.
In records, it usually says ‘chapel of …’ and then the parish.
The present church was built after your marriage and perhaps then it was dedicated to Our Lady of Lourdes.
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Our Lady of Lourdes was build 1920 to 1939
https://apps.communities-ni.gov.uk/Buildings/buildview.aspx?id=14543
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Our Lady of Lourdes was build 1920 to 1939
https://apps.communities-ni.gov.uk/Buildings/buildview.aspx?id=14543
Further down it says-
A tall Gothic Roman Catholic Church built 1925 to designs by J.J. McDonnell (of Belfast), aligned east-west, and located to the south side of Moneyglass Road, near crossroads with Ballymatoskerty Road.
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The will of William Mc Mullan is recorded in the PRONI Wills Calendar No. 999 under the surname spelt McMullin. It lists all the children except Thomas. It also names a Patrick that I have been unable to find any other record for. Unless Thomas and Patrick are the same person using a second or pet name.
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Apologies I’m not making this very clear. My confusion is regarding the name of the Chapel in Moneyglass. The civil records for the marriage of Thomas McMullan (1915) record the chapel as St Mary’s Moneyglass when in fact the current name is Our Lady of Lourdes, Moneyglass. Was there a name change?
I live near Moneyglass. The name St Mary’s doesn’t mean anything to me but there has only ever been one functioning chapel at Moneyglass. The previous chapel’s foundations are visible in the graveyard. I note that a John Nolan was PP at St Mary’s in 1915. The Moneyglass website mentions a John O’Nolan as PP in the 1920s when the foundations for the new chapel were laid. Presumably the same man.
I think you can probably safely assume your ancestor was married in the now demolished chapel, in the graveyard of the modern Our Lady of Lourdes.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=639604713549867&id=400368657473475&set=a.400393307471010
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I checked PRONI Historical Maps, (free to view on line). The OSNI Historical Third Edition (1900-1907) gives the name of the original chapel as St. Mary’s R.C. Chapel. The foundations of the original Chapel of St. Mary’s are still visible in the graveyard. Hopefully a photograph or illustration of St. Mary’s the original Chapel will turn up.