RootsChat.Com
Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: farkle on Tuesday 23 August 05 15:46 BST (UK)
-
LOOKING FOR JOHN GOURLEY, BORN 1804, DONEGORE, ANTRIM AND DIED OCTOBER 12, 1879 IN BALLYBENTRA, NILTEEN GRANGE, ANTRIM
JOHN AND HIS UNKNOWN WIFE HAD TWO SONS, THOMAS IN 1819 WHO DIED AND SAMUEL IN 1821
SAMUEL WAS BORN MAY 18, 1821 IN TOBERGILL, DONEGORE
HE MARRIED SARAH TALON NOVEMBER 14, 1837
THEY HAD TWO SONS, JOHN WHO DIED AND SAMUEL
SAMUEL WAS BORN IN 1840 IN TOBERGILL, DONEGORE
HE MARRIED SARAH LAWTHER IN 1857 WHO WAS BORN IN 1827 AND DIED AUGUST 24, 1887 IN TOBERGILL
THEY HAD
JOHN BORN JULY 6, 1859 UB TOBERGILL, DONEGORE
ELLEN JANE BORN 1861, TOBERGILL, DONEGORE
SAMUEL BORN IN IRELAND IN 1864
ELIZABETH BORN IN SCOTLAND 1866
MARGARET BORN IN SCOTLAND 1869
MARY BORN IN MARYLAND USA 1872
-
I have a Robert Gourlay b. approx 1676 Ceres, Scotland married a Margaret Gibson b 1680 Ceres, Fife.
They had William Gourlay b.31 Jul 1702 died as a child
William Gourlay b.17Mar 1704 Ceres died as a child
Ann Gourlay b.25 Jan 1706 Ceres married James Armit b approx 1700.
This is the only info I have
-
hi Farkle , Have tried sending you personal messages with no joy through the irish genealogy site. My personal email is meloury@iinet.net.au. We are related!!! My wife is Janet Anne Gourley decended through Samuel Gourley and Sarah Tallon, via John
hope to hear from you soon .
Martin Eloury
-
WE CANT BE RELATED BECAUSE OUR SAMUEL GOURLEY LIVED IN IRELAND BUT CAME TO THE US AND LIVED IN WILMINGTON, DELAWARE. WE ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE HE CAME FROM AND WHO HIS WIFE WAS. HIS DAUGHTER WAS NAMED ELLEN. SHE WAS BORN IN IRELAND IN 1862.
-
Hi Farkle, I have all of the same ancestors as you listed in your post. I have certificates from the present day linking back to all the details you listed / the only thing I did'nt have were the other children of Samuel Gourley and Sarah Lawther.
My wife is Janet Anne Gourley daughter of Alexander Ashe Gourley and Anna Jane Fee, Alexander was the son of William Gourley and Jane Harbinson Ashe. William was the son of John Gourley and Sarah Armstrong.
John was the son of Samuel Gourley and Sarah Lawther, and so on back to our common ancestor John Gourley in 1804.
You can have a look at www.geneanet.com for my listings under Gourley which will display our entire family tree. My user name is meloury. I am at work again at present. Let me know what certificates you would like to prove our connection . Can you tell me any more information of your own family?
thanks, martin
-
Hi again Farkle ,
Don't have any details but Samuel Gourley and Sarah Lawther had a daughter Ellen Jane born about 1861. I think this is who you are after!!
Havn't got a certificate for her yet.
Martin
-
IN THE 1870 CENSUS SAMUEL WAS LIVING IN CECIL COUNTY, MARYLAND. IT LISTS ALL OF THEM: IT LISTS SAMUEL AS A LABORER IN A QUARRY
THIS CENSUS SAYS THAT SAMUEL WAS BORN IN 1830 BUT THE 1880 CENSUS IN WILMINGTON HAS HIM BORN IN IRELAND IN 1840.
ELLEN BEING BORN IN 1861
GEORGE AGE 12 (WE THINK THIS IS JOHN, YOUR WIFES GRANDPA) HE LIVED IN MARYLAND BUT NOT IN WILMINGTON
SO HE WENT BACK TO IRELAND AND MARRIED SARAH ARMSTRONG
ELLEN JANE AGE 10 (MY GREAT GRANDMA)
SAMUEL AGE 7
ELIZABETH AGE 5
MARGRET AGE 1
MARY WAS LATER BORN IN 1872
YOUR LIST HAS A JOHN BORN IN 1859, COULD HE HAVE BEEN JOHN GEORGE?
NOW, HERE IS THE 1880 CENSUS FROM WILMINGTON, IT SHOWS THAT NOW SAMUEL IS A WIDOWER DOESNT MENTION GEORGE (JOHN). WONDER IF HE WENT BACK TO IRELAND. NOT SURE ABOUT THIS
1880 Census
Samuel GOURLEY Household
Male
-
Birth Year <1840>
Birthplace IREL.
Age 40
Occupation Laborer
Marital Status W <Widowed>
Race W <White>
Head of Household Samuel GOURLEY
Relation Self
Father's Birthplace IREL.
Mother's Birthplace IREL.
New Castle, Delaware
1880 US Census
Name Relation Marital Status Gender Race Age Birthplace Occupation Father's Birthplace Mother's Birthplace
Samuel GOURLEY Self W Male W 40 IREL. Laborer IREL. IREL.
Ellen GOURLEY Dau S Female W 19 IREL. Works Cotton Mill IREL. IREL.
Samuel GOURLEY Son S Male W 16 IREL. At Home IREL. IREL.
Elizabeth GOURLEY Dau S Female W 14 SCOT. Works Cotton Mill IREL. IREL.
Margret GOURLEY Dau S Female W 11 SCOT. At School IREL. IREL.
Mary GOURLEY Dau S Female W 8 MD At School IREL. IREL.
MY COUSIN TOLD ME THERE WAS ANOTHER SON NAMED GEORGE
WHO WAS BORN IN 1858/59 OR SO. YOU HAVE A JOHN BORN IN 1859 ON YOUR LIST, COULD THEY BE THE SAME PERSON? HERE IS WHAT MY COUSIN COULD FIND OUT ABOUT THE ELUSIVE FIRSTBORN GEORGE (jOHN?) GEORGE SORT OF DISAPPEARS. WE WONDER IF HE DIED. HE WAS BORN IN IRELAND AND SHE PULLED CENSUS FOR ALL GEORGE GOURLEYS IN THE US AND ONLY A FEW MATCH UP FOR CLOSE TO THAT YEAR OF BIRTH. NONE WERE BORN IN IRELAND, THOUGH ONE WAS BORN I SCOTLAND. ONE LISTS A SAMUEL AS HIS FATHER. WE THINK MAYBE HE WENT BACK TO IRELAND. DO YOU HAVE ANY GEORGES OR THE DEATH RECORDS FOR THAT JOHN THAT IS ON YOUR LIST. CAN YOU FIND ANYWHERE WHERE SAMUEL AND SARAH LEFT FOR THE STATES? SO THIS JOHN IS YOUR WIFES GRANDFATHER. DOES SHE KNOW IF HE LIVED IN MARYLAND IN THE U.S. AND CAME BACK? DOES SHE KNOW WHEN HIS MOM SARAH LAWTHER DIED AND WHERE?
-
Husband's Name
Samuel GOURLEY (AFN:1RTD-PX8) Pedigree
Born: Abt 1840 Place: Donegore, Antrim
Died: Bef 1887 Place:
Married: Abt 1857 Place: Templepatrick, County Antrim, Northern Ireland
Father: Samuel GOURLEY (AFN:1RTD-LP9) Family
Mother: Sarah TALLON (AFN:1RTD-PL6)
Wife's Name
Sarah LAWTHER (AFN:1RTD-PZG) Pedigree
Born: Abt 1827 Place: Tobergill, Antrim
Died: 24 Aug 1887 Place: Tobergill, Donegore, County Antrim
Married: Abt 1857 Place: Templepatrick, County Antrim, Northern Ireland
1. Sex Name
F Ellen Jane GOURLEY Pedigree
Born: Abt 1861 Place: Tobergill, Donegore
~~~~~~~~
2. Sex Name
M John GOURLEY Pedigree
Born: 6 Jul 1859 Place: Tobergill, Donegore., County Antrim
Died: 1 Aug 1921 Place: Ballysavage, Donegore, County Antrim
~~~~~~~~
3. Sex Name
F Margaret GOURLEY Pedigree
Born: 11 Sep 1864 Place: Tobergill, Donegore, Antrim
~~~~~~~~
ŠTHIS LISTING DOESNT SHOW THE YOUNGER KIDS BEING BORN YET
THIS IS YOUR WIFES PARENTS, WAS SHE ONE OF 10 KIDS. OUR US MORMON ANCESTRY DOESNT HAVE THE NAMES OF HER SISTERS AND BROTHERS LISTED. THE MORMON CHURCH IS THE BIGGEST ANCESTRY SEARCH IN THE US.
Husband's Name
William GOURLEY ) Pedigree
Born: 10 Oct 1893 Place: Donegore Co., Antrim, N. Ireland
Died: 31 Dec 1980 Place: Ballyclare, N. Ireland
Married: 27 Dec 1918 Place: Presbyterian Ch, Killead.
Father: John GOURLEY ) Family
Mother: Sarah ARMSTRONG
~~~~~~~~
Wife's Name
Jane Harbinson ASHE
Born: 20 Mar 1901 Place: Antrim, Ireland
Died: 2 Apr 1970 Place: Antrim, Ireland
Married: 27 Dec 1918 Place: Presbyterian Ch, Killead.
Father: Alexander ASHE Family
Mother: Sarah MCDOWELL
~~~~~~~~
Children
10, NO NAMES (YOUT WIFE IS ONE OF THEM)
~~~~~~~~
THIS IS AWESOME, ITS LIKE A PART OF MY LIFE COMING TO ME IN SMALL BITS AND PIECES BUT WONDERFUL BITS AND PIECES. SO I AM RELATED TO YOUR WIFE. NOW LET ME FIGURE OUT HOW AND LETS SEE...... YOU WIFE'S DAD WILLIAM AND MY GRANDMOTHER JANE MARY WERE FIRST COUSINS. SO MY DAD, THE LATE ALOYSIUS QUIGLEY AND YOUR WIFE ARE SECOND COUSINS, WHICH WOULD MAKE YOUR WIFE AND I MAYBE THIRD COUSINS? THIS IS ALL IF WE ARE REALLY RELATED BUT IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS SO. ILL E MAIL THIS TO MY COUSIN AND SEE IF SHE AGREES.
MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER ELLEN JANE GOURLEY WHO MARRIED AN ALEXANDER WINNINGTON...MY COUSIN FOUND HER BURIAL LISTED UNDER HER MARRIED NAME WINNINGTON BUT DOES NOT EVEN HAVE A TOMBSTONE.
WELL, THIS OUGHT TO KEEP YOU BUSY FOR AWHILE. ILL KEEP IN TOUCH AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU FIND OUT ABOUT JOHN AND SARAH LAWTHER (HER DEATH, WHERE SHE IS BURIED AND IF YOU HAVE ANY RECORDS OF HER IN THE US AS WE HAVE HER LIVING IN MARYLAND IN 1870!!!
-
NOW, AS YOU CAN SEE, OUR SAMUEL WAS A WIDOW IN WILMINGTON, DELAWARE IN 1880. HE SEEMS TO HAVE COME TO THE U.S. WITH THE 5 KIDS. HE HAD TO HAVE BEEN WIDOWED IN MARYLAND OR DELAWARE AFTER MARY WAS BORN IN 1872. HE LIVED IN SCOTLAND TOO WHERE ELIZABETH AND MARGRET WERE BORN AND THEN MUST HAVE COME TO THE US. BUT....HOW COULD THERE BE TWO FAMILIES WITH ALL THE SAME NAMES AND
DATES BUT.........YOU LIST SARAH AS DYING IN IRELAND IN 1882.
THAT CANT BE RIGHT IF IN THE 1880 CENSUS, SAMUEL WAS A WIDOWER AT AGE 30 LIVING WITH THE 5 KIDS ALONE. MY COUSIN SAYS THAT ELLEN JANE
ELLEN JANE IS MY GREAT GRANDMOTHER. SHE MARRIED AN ALEXANDER WINNINGTON IN WILMINGTON 1884 AT THE AGE OF 23. THEY HAD A SON WILLIAM WHO DISAPPEARED AFTER WORLD WAR ii AND A DAUGHTER ELLEN ( NELLIE) WHO DIED IN HER TEENS AND A DAUGHTER JANE MARY WHO IS MY GRANDMOTHER. JANE MARY HAD 17 CHILDREN, TWO OF WHICH WERE NAMED ELLEN AND JANE. MY NAME IS ELLEN JANE TOO SO YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE GOURLEYS LINE IS CONTINUED THROUGH ME WITH THE NAMES ELLEN AND JANE AFTER ELLEN JANE WHO WAS BORN THERE IN 1861.
I GUESS MAYBE IM A LONG LOST RELATIVE OF YOUR WIFE MAYBE.............WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THIS SARAH MYSTERY. HOW COULD SAM BE A WIDOWER IN 1880 LIVING WITH THE 5 KIDS AND HIS WIFE HAVING DIED IN IRELAND IN 1886 ACCORDING TO YOUR LIST. COULD YOU RESEARCH THIS AND ILL ASK MY COUSIN WHO IS DOING ALL MOST OF THE GOURLEY GENEOLOGY. I DONT LIVE IN WILMINGTON SO SHE IS MORE APT TO BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THIS MYSTERY OR LET ME KNOW WHERE SARAH IS BURIED. I CANT WAIT TO FIND OUT THE ANSWER TO THIS MYSTERY. SEE HOW THOSE NAMES, ELLEN AND JANE AND MARY KEEP RESURFACING?
JANE MARY, MY GRANDMA MARRIED A FRANCIS QUIGLEY IN 1905 IN WILMINGTON. WE ARE ALSO TRYING TO FIND OUR ORIGINAL FRANCIS QUIGLEY WHO WAS BORN IN IRELAND IN 1827 AND CAME TO THE US IN 1848 AND SETTLED IN WILMINGTON ALSO.
9 Family <Unknown> B: Abt 1800 Donegore, County Antrim
2 Samuel GOURLEY B: Abt 1840 Donegore, Antrim
D: Bef 1887
M: Abt 1857
Templepatrick, County Antrim, Northern Ireland
THIS IS THE JOHN GOURLEY CHART THAT IS ON RECORD IN THE US AT THE MORMON CHURCH ANCESTRY WEBSITE
THIS SHOWS THAT THEY HAD A SON JOHN. WE HAVE HIM AS GEORGE IN 1870 BEING AGE 12 IN MARYLAND. THEN HE IS NOT LISTED IN THE 1880 CENSUS WITH SAMUEL AND THE OTHER BROTHERS AND SISTERS SO HE PROBABLY WENT BACK TO IRELAND. HE MARRIED SARAH ARMSTRONG AND HAD YOUR WIFES DAD, WILLIAM, RIGHT? DOES YOUR WIFE KNOW THAT HER GRANDFATHER JOHN HAD SIBLINGS THAT LIVED IN DELAWARE?
Pedigree Chart
8 John GOURLEY B: Abt 1804 Tobergill, Donegore, County Antrim
D: 12 Oct 1879 Ballybentra, Nilteen Grange, County Antrim
M: Abt 1820 Donegore, County Antrim
4 Samuel GOURLEY B: 18 May 1821 Tobergill, Donegore, County Antrim
D: 6 Aug 1865 Tobergill, Donegore.
M: 14 Nov 1837 Donegore, Antrim
Family
10 Thomas TALLON B: < 1790
5 Sarah TALLON B: Abt 1816 Dunadry, Nilteen, County Antrim
D: Tobergill, Donegore, County Antrim
1 John GOURLEY B: 6 Jul 1859 Tobergill, Donegore., County Antrim
D: 1 Aug 1921 Ballysavage, Donegore, County Antrim
M: 25 Nov 1887 Original Secessi, Killead.
11 Family
Sarah ARMSTRONG B: 27 May 1864 Ballycraigy, Co Antrim
D: 6 Apr 1922 Ballysavage, Donegore, County Antrim
Family
3 Family Sarah LAWTHER B: Abt 1827 Tobergill, Antrim
D: 24 Aug 1887 Tobergill, Donegore, County Antrim
-
hey farkle!
Great news, what awsome information. Did you get onto geneanet to see the tree. I can send you a gedcom file if you want. my email is * .
The information you sent will need quite a bit of pondering to get my head around it all. Will gather all I have and get it to you. Do you have any copies of original certificates?
My address is *
-
Hi
I was recently researching Thomas Gourley b. 1819 in Donegore Antrim Ireland - son of John and unknown - I was at a Mormon center looking at the microfiche and saw he was two when he was christened the same day as his brother Samuel. Researching Samuel I have stumbled on this site.
My mother was Margaret Gourley born in Belfast in 1924 and I believe we are the descendants of Thomas - see Donahue tree on Ancestry.com. Would love to compare notes and any documentation that you have.
-
The tithes applotment record is a sort of tax listing who included those who could pay taxes. In 1833 the only possible Gourley record living in Donegore is the homestead of the Widow Gouldly, Townland: Rathmore/Grange-Nilleen see http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/donegore-parish.php#G
Another entry in the same listing is Tallon, John Townland: Ballywee Year: 1833.
-
I have been searching for some years - Alexander Winnington 1805 married Elizabeth Winnington [ m 1824 approx. ] maiden name not known they had one child Elizabeth born 1825 Baptised 1 Mar 1826 Manchester Cathedral ] it would appear that Elizabeth's mother died shortly after - In 1936 he married Sarah Burns maiden b 1814 and they had a son William John in 1837 then in 1847 Alexander Married Sarah Burns . Then Alexander [ aged 66 in 1870] and Sarah [ 47 in 1870 ]migrated to Delaware and had two daughters Maggie [ 20 /1870 ] and Alexandria [15/1870] all of whom were cotton mill workers according to the 1870 Federal Census --- [[ interesting for there is another Alexander Winnington born Lanark in Lanarkshire Scotland who was a cotton worker and whos son Alexander went down with the troop ship Birkenhead which sank off South Africa in 1852. in all probability related ]] I would love to know Fu there is a connection.