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Title: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Thursday 21 May 20 00:51 BST (UK)
I am trying to find a birth/baptism for Hugh Edmund Williams born 3 Jun 1890 and/or a transcription of his marriage so I can determine who his parents were.
He married Lily Jowett at West Derby Lancs in Apr/May/Jun qtr 1915. 
1939  England Census -  living at 'Lynhurst' 7 Sunningdale Dr,  Gt Crosby Liverpool. Occupation: Wholesale Retail Confectioner Sugar. born 3 Jun 1890. with Lily b.2 Jun 1891 and children Edna b. 4 Apr 1916 Shop Manageress and Herbert Arthur b. 3 Apr 1923 Office boy Accountants.
Hugh died 19 Dec 1953 at Crosby. Cremated 23 Dec 1953. Address on Cemetery Register same as in 1939 - Sweet and tobacconist  age 63. Probate Date13/04/1954 entry confirmed all details above.
Lily's parents were Walter Jowett Storekeeper and Mary Ellen (from her Baptism 30 Sept 1891 at St.Judes' Hunslet, Leeds).

Thank you Margaret
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 21 May 20 01:33 BST (UK)
Given who he married and his occupation I think that this is both of them in 1911:

Hugh, father Benjamin: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWT4-61W

Lily, parents Walter and Mary Ellen: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWTD-H2J

Hugh’s mother’s surname is JONES:

WILLIAMS, WILLIAM  JOHN mmn JONES 
GRO Reference: 1885  J Quarter in ANGLESEY  Volume 11B  Page 533

WILLIAMS, BENJAMIN  GEORGE OWEN mmn JONES 
GRO Reference: 1888  M Quarter in ANGLESEY  Volume 11B  Page 482
Married: Jun 1915 W.Derby 8b 1038
WILLIAMS Benjamin G O
JONES Margaret A
Death:
WILLIAMS, BENJAMIN  GEORGE OWEN  65 
GRO Reference: 1953  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL SOUTH  Volume 10D  Page 525

WILLIAMS, DOROTHY  ANN JANE mmn JONES 
GRO Reference: 1894  S Quarter in ANGLESEY  Volume 11B  Page 474
Married: Jun 1919 W. Derby 8b 1097
WATSON William A
WILLIAMS Williams Dorothy A J
Death:
WATSON, DOROTHY  ANN JANE  57 
GRO Reference: 1951  D Quarter in LIVERPOOL NORTH  Volume 10D  Page 158

Jamjar
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Annette7 on Thursday 21 May 20 01:37 BST (UK)
The marriage took place 24/5/1915 at the Wesleyan Methodist Church, Walton, Lancashire - as already mentioned, his father is given as Benjamin, (shown as deceased, retired marine officer).

Annette
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 21 May 20 01:43 BST (UK)
Births September qtr 1890

Hughie Edmunds Williams Anglesey 11b 479  per GRO - mmn Jones
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 21 May 20 01:55 BST (UK)
Mother Margaret:

1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4YVT-Z6Z

1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X925-7XC

Possible marriage:

Sep 1880 St. Asaph 11b 445
WILLIAMS Benjamin   
JONES Margaret A   

Jamjar
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Thursday 21 May 20 02:32 BST (UK)
Jamjar, Carole and Annette - Wow! That was fast and so much information - thank you. At last some ancestors for Hugh - this is my husband's line and means so much. 
Margaret
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 21 May 20 03:24 BST (UK)
children Edna b. 4 Apr 1916 Shop Manageress and Herbert Arthur b. 3 Apr 1923 Office boy Accountants.

WILLIAMS, EDNA mmn JOMETT 
GRO Reference: 1916  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 619

WILLIAMS, HERBERT ARTHUR mmn JOWETT
1923 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 8B Page 528

Jamjar

Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 21 May 20 03:56 BST (UK)
Sep 1883 Leeds 9b 591
JOWETT Walter
KNAPTON Mary Ellen

Possible deaths:
JOWETT, MARY  ELLEN 51 
GRO Reference: 1915  S Quarter in LIVERPOOL  Volume 08B  Page 127
JOWETT, WALTER  83 
GRO Reference: 1944  J Quarter in LIVERPOOL NORTH  Volume 08B  Page 227

1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7X9W-SN2
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9GL-PQW
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWTD-H2F

JOWETT, WILLIAM  ERNEST mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1884  D Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 254
Married: Jun 1906 W. Derby 8b 995
JOWETT William Ernest
BROOKS Catherine Frances
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWT8-TC8
Children:
JOWETT, VIOLET mmn BROOKS died 1906
GRO Reference: 1906  D Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 398
JOWETT, LILY mmn BROOKS died 1908
GRO Reference: 1907  D Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 399
JOWETT, DORIS  FRANCES mmn BROOKS 
GRO Reference: 1909  M Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 416
JOWETT, ELLEN  FLORENCE mmn BROOKS 
GRO Reference: 1914  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 822
JOWETT, MILLICENT  MAY mmn BROOKS died 1920
GRO Reference: 1919  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 648
JOWETT, WALTER J mmn BROOKS
1921 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 8B Page 815
JOWETT, Ernest W mmn BROOKS
1924 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 8B Page 892

JOWETT, ALBERT mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1886  J Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 310
Married: Mar 1910 W. Derby 8b 463
JOWETT Albert
MESSENGER Martha
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWTF-VZ3
Children:
JOWETT, ELIZABETH  ELSIE mmn MESSENGER 
GRO Reference: 1910  S Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 475
JOWETT, HILDA mmn MESSENGER 
GRO Reference: 1912  D Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 743

JOWETT, WALTER mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1889  M Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 273
Married: Mar 1911 W. Derby 8b 385
JOWETT Walter
TRAYNOR Josephine
Deaths:
JOWETT, WALTER  52 
GRO Reference: 1941  M Quarter in LIVERPOOL NORTH  Volume 08B  Page 608
JOWETT Josephine 62
Sep 1951 Liverpool N. 10d 322
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWTV-4N1
Children:
JOWETT, JOSEPHINE mmn TRAYNOR  died 1911
GRO Reference: 1911  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 573
JOWETT, OLIVE mmn TRAYNOR 
GRO Reference: 1912  S Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 785

JOWETT, LILY mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1891  S Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 252

JOWETT, ARTHUR mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1893  S Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 299

JOWETT, HERBERT mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1895  D Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 257

JOWETT, VIOLET mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1900  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 372

JOWETT, HAROLD mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1902  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 414

Jamjar



Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Thursday 21 May 20 08:52 BST (UK)
Oh Jamjar - and here's Lily's family too - how wonderful! Thank you so much

Margaret Williams
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 22 May 20 02:33 BST (UK)
It’s good to have something simple to keep the little grey cells firing, Margaret.  ;)

Sep 1883 Leeds 9b 591
JOWETT Walter
KNAPTON Mary Ellen

Jun 1851 Leeds 23 474
KNAPTON Richard
CARRODICE Ellen

Death:
KNAPTON, ELLEN  41 
GRO Reference: 1876  M Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 362

1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7FS-7T1

1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBCC-CHT

KNAPTON, SARAH  JANE mmn CARDUS 
GRO Reference: 1851  S Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 23  Page 551
Married:
Dec 1868 Leeds 9b 495
CHEER Thomas
NAPTON Sarah Jane
Deaths:
CHEER, SARAH  JANE  57 
GRO Reference: 1908  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 231
CHEER, THOMAS  69 
GRO Reference: 1918  M Quarter in BRAMLEY  Volume 09B  Page 347
1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBCC-ZTF
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27T-JQGK https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7XZP-X2M
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7XZG-CW2
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9PC-MMM
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJY-5NW
Children:
CHEER, CHARLEY mmn KNAPTON died 1872
GRO Reference: 1869  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 370
CHEER, ALBERT mmn KNAPTON died 1871
GRO Reference: 1871  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 402
CHEER, THOMAS  HENRY mmn KNAPTON died 1873
GRO Reference: 1873  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 438
CHEER, WALTER mmn KNAPTON died 1878
GRO Reference: 1874  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 447
CHEER, ARTHUR mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1876  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 471
CHEER, ANNIE mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1878  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 443
CHEER, EMILY mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1880  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 475
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJY-5NW
CHEER, HERBERT mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1881  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 408
CHEER, ADA mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1885  S Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 397
CHEER, HELENA mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1887  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 433
CHEER, ETHEL mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1889  S Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 389
CHEER, IVY mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1895  M Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 406
CHEER, DORIS mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1897  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 416

KNAPTON, EMILY mmn CARDUS 
GRO Reference: 1853  S Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 390

KNAPTON, WALTER mmn CARDAS 
GRO Reference: 1857  S Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 289
Married:
Dec 1880 Leeds 9b 671
KNAPTON Walter
MUSGRAVE Margaret Hannah
Deaths:
KNAPTON, WALTER  48 
GRO Reference: 1905  S Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 241
KNAPTON, MARGARET  HANNAH  68 
GRO Reference: 1928  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 443
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27T-JGSN
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7K77-22M
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9PC-4JD
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJ1-4MJ
Children:
KNAPTON, NELLY mmn MUSGRAVE 
GRO Reference: 1888  D Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 254
KNAPTON, WALTER mmn MUSGRAVE 
GRO Reference: 1897  M Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 415

KNAPTON, MARY  ALICE mmn CARDAS  died 1861
GRO Reference: 1859  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 335

KNAPTON, ADA mmn CARDUS 
GRO Reference: 1862  M Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 338
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27T-LV3D
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7K3G-2N2
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9TM-M7T
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWV4-PV2
Married:
Sep 1881 Bramley 9b 423
BENNETT Thomas
KNAPTON Ada
Children:
BENNETT, GLADYS mmn KNAPTON died 1895
GRO Reference: 1892  S Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 270
BENNETT, JESSIE mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1898  D Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 261

KNAPTON, MARY  ELLEN mmn CARDUS 
GRO Reference: 1864  M Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 365
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27T-ZRFH

KNAPTON, RICHARD mmn CARDAS 
GRO Reference: 1866  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 393
1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27T-JQGK
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7XZ1-ZZM
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9PC-9XD
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJB-TCN

Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 22 May 20 04:04 BST (UK)
Continued from previous post, as exceeded word limit:

KNAPTON, RICHARD mmn CARDAS 
GRO Reference: 1866  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 393

Married:
Sep 1885 Leeds 9b 504
KNAPTON Richard
CLAYTON Ruth Ann    

Deaths:
KNAPTON, RICHARD  81 
GRO Reference: 1947  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 02C  Page 243

KNAPTON, RUTH  ANN  85 
GRO Reference: 1952  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 02C  Page 203

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27T-JQGK
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7XZ1-ZZM
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9PC-9XD
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJB-TCN

Children:
KNAPTON, MAUD  ELLEN mmn CLAYTON 
GRO Reference: 1887  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 399
Married: Jun 1909 Leeds 9b 926
LOCKWOOD Frank
KNAPTON Maud Ellen
Possible deaths:
Jun 1942 LEEDS 9B 263
LOCKWOOD Frank 55
Sep 1966 LEEDS 2C 353
LOCKWOOD Maude E 77
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJB-B75
Children:
LOCKWOOD, SIDNEY mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1910  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 263
LOCKWOOD, WALTER mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1913  M Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 501
LOCKWOOD, ERNEST mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1916  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 464
LOCKWOOD, FRANK mmn KNAPTON
1921 J Quarter in LEEDS Volume 9B Page 491

KNAPTON, ANNIE mmn CLAYTON died 1894
GRO Reference: 1889  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 434

KNAPTON, ALBERT mmn CLAYTON 
GRO Reference: 1891  S Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 408
Possible marriage:
Sep 1919 Leeds 9b 1009
KNAPTON Albert
COLLIS Miranda
2nd marriage:
Dec 1943 Wharfedale 9a 337
SPENCER Abraham C
KNAPTON Miranda Spencer
Deaths:
KNAPTON, ALBERT  49 
GRO Reference: 1941  M Quarter in WHARFEDALE  Volume 09A  Page 529
Jun 1977 WHARFEDALE 5 1045
SPENCER MIRANDA 2 Oct 1895
Children:
KNAPTON, Kenneth mmn COLLIS
1923 D Quarter in LEEDS Volume 9B Page 458
KNAPTON M L mmn COLLIS
1931 M Quarter in LEEDS N. Volume 9 B 456

KNAPTON, RICHARD mmn CLAYTON 
GRO Reference: 1893  M Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 419
Possible marriage:
Mar 1918 Leeds 9b 570
KNAPTON Richard
SMITH Nellie
Possible children
KNAPTON, WILFRED mmn SMITH
1918 S Quarter in LEEDS Volume 9B Page 612
KNAPTON, RONALD mmn SMITH
1920 S Quarter in LEEDS Volume 9B Page 794
KNAPTON, DENNIS mmn SMITH
1922 J Quarter in LEEDS Volume 9B Page 712

KNAPTON, ERNEST mmn CLAYTON 
GRO Reference: 1895  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 426

KNAPTON, JAMES mmn CLAYTON 
GRO Reference: 1897  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 397

KNAPTON, RUTH  ANN mmn CLAYTON 
GRO Reference: 1899  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 426
Married:
Jun 1922 Leeds 9b 970
CULLINGWORTH John A
KNAPTON Ruth A
Death:
CULLINGWORTH, RUTH  ANN 1899 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q3/1991 in LEEDS  (0924B)  Volume 5  Page 172
Possible death:
Dec 1959 Leeds 2c 27
Cullingworth John A 72

Jamjar
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Friday 22 May 20 07:07 BST (UK)
Oh Jamjar - I'm loving these new members of the family. Have just been looking at my husband's 3rd great aunt - Sarah Jane Knapton's marriage to  Thomas Cheer and their first born Charley Cheer brought a smile to my face. My husband passes on his appreciation for all your work - he's working in outback Sth. Aus. on the front line at the moment. When he learnt that Hugh Edmund Williams et al were born in Amlwch, Anglesey Wales, he was gobsmacked - it's a place he knows really well having visited many times when he was growing up and also with me a couple of years ago!  Thank you again.

Margaret
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Friday 22 May 20 07:50 BST (UK)
I’ll take a look each day and see what else I can add.

Funny how places pop up in our searches. I discovered some of my adoptive mother’s ancestors and relatives in Dumfries, Scotland. Then, found that my birth father’s mother’s line was also from Dumfries.

Jamjar
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 23 May 20 04:16 BST (UK)
Continued from Reply #10, as editing time passed.  :-\

KNAPTON, RICHARD mmn CLAYTON 
GRO Reference: 1893  M Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 419
Possible marriage:
Mar 1918 Leeds 9b 570
KNAPTON Richard
SMITH Nellie
Death:
KNAPTON, RICHARD  62 
GRO Reference: 1955  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 02C  Page 425
Possible children:
KNAPTON, WILFRED mmn SMITH
1918 S Quarter in LEEDS Volume 9B Page 612
KNAPTON, RONALD mmn SMITH
1920 S Quarter in LEEDS Volume 9B Page 794
Death: KNAPTON, RONALD  1920 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q1/1994 in Leeds  (0921N)  Reg N6C  Entry Number 187
KNAPTON, DENNIS mmn SMITH died 1922
1922 J Quarter in LEEDS Volume 9B Page 712

KNAPTON, ERNEST mmn CLAYTON 
GRO Reference: 1895  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 426
Possible marriage:
Dec 1925 Leeds 9b 743
KNAPTON Ernest
RAWLINGS Gertrude E
Possible deaths:
Jun 1972 Lincoln 3b 820
KNAPTON ERNEST 22 April 1895
Jun 1979 Lincoln 7 1635
KNAPTON GERTRUDE ELLEN 3 Nov 1900   
Children:
KNAPTON, JOAN mmn RAWLINGS
1926 M Quarter in LEEDS Volume 9B Page 558
Marriage:
Sep 1948 Leeds 2c 902
DAWSON David J
KNAPTON Joan
Death:
Sep 1970 Lincoln 3b 639
DAWSON Joan 18 Oct 1928
KNAPTON, ERNEST mmn RAWLINGS
1935 J Quarter in LEEDS NORTH Volume 9B Page 372
Death: KNAPTON, ERNEST 1935 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q2/2009 in Lincolnshire  (6091I)  Reg 1I001  Entry Number 501793985

KNAPTON, JAMES mmn CLAYTON 
GRO Reference: 1897  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 397
Possible marriage:
Dec 1917 Leeds 9b 675
KNAPTON James
LEONARD Nellie
Possible deaths:
KNAPTON, NELLIE  47 
GRO Reference: 1946  J Quarter in SPEN VALLEY  Volume 09B  Page 572
KNAPTON, JAMES  55 
GRO Reference: 1951  M Quarter in SPEN VALLEY  Volume 02D  Page 641
Child:
KNAPTON, VERA mmn LEONARD
1919 S Quarter in LEEDS Volumne 9B Page 380
Possible marriage:
Dec 1939 Leeds 9b 887
FLYNN James M
KNAPTON Vera
Possible death:
FLYNN, VERA  23 
GRO Reference: 1942  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 310

Jamjar


Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Sunday 24 May 20 02:24 BST (UK)
I have just finished entering all these ancestors that you have found into my FTM data base. - we really can't thank you enough Jamjar - you're awesome!
Margaret and David   :D
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Sunday 24 May 20 03:17 BST (UK)
Do keep in mind the ‘possible’ ones. Certs would be required to be certain that they are the correct family members.

Walter Jowett is problematic. There are two possible births. He is down as 1861 birth on the censuses, Earlier censuses have the 1862 with a father William JOWETT. So, I’m thinking he is the 1861.

JOWETT, WALTER       - 
GRO Reference: 1861  M Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 259

JOWETT, WALTER mmn PICKARD 
GRO Reference: 1862  M Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 257

However, 1871 has one Walter born LEEDS and it is with father William with birth 1861.

There is this grandson born 1861, but has SHEFFIELD:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7KR-6WK

Jamjar
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Sunday 24 May 20 21:46 BST (UK)
I'm on to it - will start with Walter Jowett, (married to Mary Ellen Knapton) and post my results.
Margaret
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Monday 25 May 20 21:42 BST (UK)
Jamjar - Regarding Walter Jowett's birth date - no wonder he was problematic!  Read on:

All records held by Ancestry.com

Marriage
West Yorkshire Archive Service Reference P68/5/94
West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
Walter Jowett age 22 Bachelor Book Keeper Upper Cross Street Leeds
Marriage Date 04/08/1883
Marriage PlaceLeeds, St Peter Yorkshire England
Walter Jowett age 22 Bachelor Book Keeper Upper Cross Street Leeds
Groom's Father William Jowett Inn Keeper
SpouseMary Ellen Knapton age 20 Spinster Richmond Street Leeds
Bride's Father Richard Knapton Mason
Witnesses: William Jowett and Agnes Barker
Page 164
No. 328

1939 Register
The National Archives; Kew, London, England; 1939 Register; Reference: RG 101/4398E
1939 England and Wales Register   
Walter Jowett widow
Birth Date:16 Dec 1860
Address:   2 Woodfield Road    Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Occupation:Storekeeper Retired
Schedule Number:   205
Sub Schedule Number:3
Enumeration District:NIES
Registration district:   455/2
Household Members:   
George Mathews son in law born 3 Dec 1900 Electrician
Violet Mathews daughter born 22 Mar 1900
Harold Jowett born son 13 Apr 1902     Engineer Machine Tool

Baptism
West Yorkshire Archive Service; Wakefield, Yorkshire, England; Yorkshire Parish Records; New Reference Number: RDP68/3A/18
West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name:   Walter Jowitt
Age:   1
Record Type:   Baptism
Birth Date:   16 Dec 1860
Baptism Date:   5 Jan 1862

Baptism Place:   Leeds, St Peter, Yorkshire, England
Father:   William Jowitt Labourer Dewsbury Road Leeds
Mother:   Elizabeth Jowitt

Burial
Liverpool Record Office; Liverpool, Merseyside, England; Liverpool Cemetery Registers
England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016
Walter Jowett
Age 83
Abode 2 Woodfield Road Liverpool
Burial
Birth Date1861
Death Date 1944
Burial Date 19/04/1944
Burial Place Liverpool, Lancashire, England Anfield Cemetery
Cemetery Section 17 Grave 2887
Church of England

Probate
JOWETT, WALTER  Age 83
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name:   Walter Jowett
Death Date:   15 Apr 1944
Death Place:   Liverpool, England
Probate Date:   26 Jul 1944 to Violet Matthews (wife of George Matthews)
Probate Registry:   Liverpool, England

Margaret  :D
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Monday 25 May 20 23:26 BST (UK)
Mary Ellen Jowett nee Knapton

Burial
England & Scotland, Select Cemetery Registers, 1800-2016
Name:   Mary Ellen Jowett
Age:   51 Churnett Street Kirkdale Liverpool
Record Type:   Burial
Birth Date:   abt 1864
Death Date:   abt 1915
Burial Date:   22 Aug 1915
Burial Place:   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Cemetery Section:17 Grave 2887 Church of England

Probate

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name:   Mary Ellen Jowett
Death Date:   18 Aug 1915
Death Place:   Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Probate Date:   6 Sep 1915
Probate Registry:   Liverpool, England
"JOWETT Mary Ellen of Churnet Street Liverpool (wife of Walter Jowett) died 18 August 1915 at the Royal Infirmary Liverpool Administration Liverpool 6 September to the said Walter Jowett storekeeper effects....

Margaret
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 26 May 20 03:23 BST (UK)
Here is the Walter with the publican father in 1871 and 1881:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBZH-YHM

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27T-NKQ4

Elizabeth Widowed in 1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7XC8-FW2
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9PH-KTQ
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJB-DNM

Possible deaths:

JOWETT, WILLIAM  59 
GRO Reference: 1885  S Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 219

JOWETT, ELIZABETH  80 
GRO Reference: 1914  S Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 336

Can you see a baptism for Lilley? I can’t pin down a birth/parents marriage match.

JOWETT, LILY mmn CROSSBY 
GRO Reference: 1869  S Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 273

JOWITT, LILY mmn CONNELL
GRO Reference: 1870  D Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 291


Marriage:

Sep 1890 Hunslet 9b 458
DRISCOLL Joseph
JOWETT Lily

Deaths:

DRISCOLL, JOSEPH  79 
GRO Reference: 1949  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 02C  Page 211

DRISCOLL, LILY  83 
GRO Reference: 1953  M Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 02C  Page 268

1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9PH-T41 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9PH-TH9

1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJB-J23 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWJB-DN9

Children:

DRISCOLL, ELSIE mmn JOWETT 
GRO Reference: 1891  D Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 415
Possible marriage:
Jun 1923 Leeds 9b 694
LAWN Harry
DRISCOLL Elsie
Possible deaths:
Dec 1975 Pontefract  5 1145
LAWN Elsie 19 Nov 1891
Sep 1983 Leeds 5 39
LAWN HARRY 13 May 1896
Possible child:
Dec 1925 Tadcaster 9c 1653
LAWN John mmn DRISCOLL

DRISCOLL, MAUD mmn JOWETT 
GRO Reference: 1894  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 416
Possible marriage:
Sep 1914 Leeds 9b 978
FAWCETT Tom
DRISCOLL Maud

DRISCOLL, ETHEL mmn JOWETT 
GRO Reference: 1897  M Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 422
Possible marriage:
Sep 1920 Leeds 9b 1516
STOCKS John
DRISCOLL Ethel
Possible death:
Jun 1981 Leeds 5 794
STOCKS Ethel 22 Jan 1897
* There are only two STOCKS/DRISCOLL births showing and mother could be either Ethel or Doris. Given that the first is in 1923, I suggest he may be Ethel’s. The second, a female, is in 1929. The 39 register may provide the answer.

DRISCOLL, HILDA mmn JOWETT 
GRO Reference: 1899  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 427
Possible death:
Jun 1977 Staincliffe 2 2549
DRISCOLL Hilda 30 Mar 1899   

DRISCOLL, DORIS mmn JOWETT 
GRO Reference: 1902  M Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 401
Possible marriage:
Sept 1924 Leeds 9b 873
STOCKS Herbert
DRISCOLL Doris
Possible death:
Mar 1960 Leeds 2c 253
STOCKS Doris 58

DRISCOLL, WALTER mmn JOWETT 
GRO Reference: 1905  J Quarter in LEEDS  Volume 09B  Page 403
Possible death:
DRISCOLL,  WALTER 1905 birth date 2 May 1905
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q4/1986 in LEEDS  (0924E)  Volume 5  Page 608

Jamjar
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Tuesday 26 May 20 03:54 BST (UK)
Here is Lily's baptism

West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name Lily Jowett
Age1
Birth Date20/08/1869
Baptism Date07/09/1870
Baptism PlaceHunslet Moor, St Peter Yorkshire England
Father William Jowett  Publican
Mother Elizabeth Jowett
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 26 May 20 04:16 BST (UK)
Here is Lily's baptism

West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1910
Name Lily Jowett
Age1
Birth Date20/08/1869
Baptism Date07/09/1870
Baptism PlaceHunslet Moor, St Peter Yorkshire England
Father William Jowett  Publican
Mother Elizabeth Jowett

Would be nice if they gave mother’s maiden name.  :-\

I’ll be adding to my last post.

Jamjar
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Tuesday 26 May 20 04:21 BST (UK)
I agree.. but judging by Lily's birthdate Elizabeth mn could be Crossby

Probate for Elizabeth
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name:   Elizabeth Jowett
Death Date:   9 Aug 1914
Death Place:   Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
Probate Date:   14 Sep 1914
Probate Registry:   Wakefield
..Elizabeth Jowett of 3 Keeton Street Leeds who died 9 August 1914 Probate Wakefield 14 September to Walter Jowett Storekeeper...
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 26 May 20 04:31 BST (UK)
I agree.. but judging by Lily's birthdate Elizabeth mn could be Crossby



Yes, but that doesn’t help with Walter’s birth.

Considering the gap between the two children, William could have married two Elizabeth’s. Having a child to each.

Jamjar
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Tuesday 26 May 20 04:48 BST (UK)

West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
William Jowett
Marriage Age:   33
Event Type:   Marriage
Birth Year:   abt 1826
Marriage Date:   5 Nov 1859
Marriage Place:   Leeds, St Peter, Yorkshire, England
Father:   Henry Jowett
Spouse:   Elizabeth Crossley
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 26 May 20 05:40 BST (UK)

West Yorkshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935
William Jowett
Marriage Age:   33
Event Type:   Marriage
Birth Year:   abt 1826
Marriage Date:   5 Nov 1859
Marriage Place:   Leeds, St Peter, Yorkshire, England
Father:   Henry Jowett
Spouse:   Elizabeth Crossley

Excellent.  ;D

Is there not a father’s name for Elizabeth?

Jamjar
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: mckha489 on Tuesday 26 May 20 06:38 BST (UK)
William is a widower.
Elizabeth’s father is William, a bricklayer.
She is 25
Witnesses are Andrew & Sarah Ann Ford.
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 26 May 20 07:26 BST (UK)
William is a widower.
Elizabeth’s father is William, a bricklayer.
She is 25
Witnesses are Andrew & Sarah Ann Ford.

Thank you.  ;D

I’m not having any luck pinpointing her on early censuses.

I was hoping that Sarah Ann was her sister, but I think she is née HARTLEY.

Jamjar
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 26 May 20 08:55 BST (UK)
Probate
JOWETT, WALTER  Age 83
England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995
Name:   Walter Jowett
Death Date:   15 Apr 1944
Death Place:   Liverpool, England
Probate Date:   26 Jul 1944 to Violet Matthews (wife of George Matthews)
Probate Registry:   Liverpool, England

JOWETT, VIOLET mmn KNAPTON 
GRO Reference: 1900  J Quarter in WEST DERBY  Volume 08B  Page 372

Jun 1930 W.Derby 8b 1110
MATTHEWS George
JOWETT Violet

Jamjar
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Wednesday 27 May 20 05:01 BST (UK)
Thanks Jamjar for all your help...I think I'll now concentrate on siblings Edna and Herbert Arthur Williams children of  Hugh Edmund Williams and Lily Jowett.

Margaret
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: MsNorthman on Sunday 28 June 20 13:55 BST (UK)
Hi Margaret. I'm currently researching this branch of my sons family tree. Did you ever find any reference to where Lily was buried/cremated? Also do you know where Hugh's funeral took place? I have the dates but cant find any information about where their final resting places may be?

I can also tell you that Bert (Herbert) married twice, but had no children and Edna neither married or had children. Edna passed away in 2012 at the grand old age of 96.
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Tuesday 30 June 20 22:06 BST (UK)
Hello - Fantastic to hear from you!!

Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find cremation/burial places for either Hugh nor Lily yet.

We will send you a message later today Au time.

Margaret and David Williams.
Title: Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: MsNorthman on Wednesday 01 July 20 20:46 BST (UK)
Hi Margaret,

I've managed to find the information for Hugh, but unfortunately not for Lily. I'm really struggling with it.
Title: COMPLETED THANK YOU Re: Williams Hugh Edmund Birth/Baptism/Marriage details
Post by: margaret1 on Tuesday 07 July 20 05:40 BST (UK)
This search is now complete - a big thank you to everyone!

margaret