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Hi can you please help me.
I'm looking for a match for charles Morris who was born 1852 in Canning Town Essex. He had one son and three daughters and he's then partner Emily Ann walker the mother of he's children took on he's surname but there's no marriage. He may of had a step son called George Herbert walker. I'm looking for name of charles Morris mother and father.
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1871 census has
Charles J Morris, 19, born Essex Canning Town
with grandparents James and Mary Marsh
In West Ham
Piece 1631 folio 117 page 70
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFFK-93M
Birth reg?
MORRIS, CHARLES JAMES
Mother's Maiden Surname: MARSH
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 12 Page 309
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He seems to be with them in 1861 as Charles J Marsh, Grandson, 9, born Essex Plaistow?
Piece 1059 folio 38 page 39
Image here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-P3NH-WSJH-4?i=79&cat=555670
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Charles Morris died 1909 but I can't find the place where he last lived.
But the names of the names of he's are.
Lillian Mary Morris born 1897 she married Harry Dunn.
Lillian Mary Morris died 1971.
Blanche E Morris born 1901.
Ethel Morris born 1903.
Leonard Morris 1905.
The had an older brother but could be half brother who is a legitimate child of Emily Ann walker who is called George Herbert walker born in Brinklow in 1886 and died 1951 in Middlesex
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Where did Charles die?
What was his occupation on the death certificate?
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Where did Charles die?
What was his occupation on the death certificate?
I don't no all I no is what I found on Ancestry that he died on the off 1909 at the age of 57 I
Am hitting a brick wall with this one.
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Where was that death registered?
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Charles Morris mentioned in this thread- it's 15 pages long so I didn't read through all of it-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=782973.msg6955341#msg6955341
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Charles and Emily Morris in 1881
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27C-Y83M
Birth registrations
MORRIS, LOUISA MARY JANE
Mother's Maiden Surname: DEWDNEY
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 04A Page 42
MORRIS, EMILY JANE
Mother's Maiden Surname: DEWDNEY
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 105
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Marriage
March 1877 Islington 1b 445
Dewdney, Emily
Morris, Charles James
31 March 1877, St Jude, Mildmay Grove.
He says his father is Charles James Morris.
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1871 census has
Charles J Morris, 19, born Essex Canning Town
with grandparents James and Mary Marsh
In West Ham
Piece 1631 folio 117 page 70
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFFK-93M
Birth reg?
MORRIS, CHARLES JAMES
Mother's Maiden Surname: MARSH
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in WEST HAM UNION Volume 12 Page 309
This man is in 1891 1320/109 with a wife Emily and children
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Kirsty,
Where do you have the information that your Charles was b in Canning Town.
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I've got the wrong man! :(
And the wrong Emily.
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I think Kirsty might have too but I haven’t read the 15 page thread yet ;)
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Where was that death registered?
Where was that death registered?
that's what I'm having trouble finding out. But what I do no is according to Leonard Morris Northamptonshire baptism I have the following.
1905 april 9th Leonard. Father name Charles and mother Emily Morris. Charles worked as a boatman.
The rest off the writing I don't understand.
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Kirsty,
Where do you have the information that your Charles was b in Canning Town.
it appears to be on Ancestry
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Where on Ancestry? in an actual viewable record? a transcription of a record? a family tree?
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Where on Ancestry? in an actual viewable record? a transcription of a record? a family tree?
yes ancestry.com
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Please read my questions again- I asked WHERE on ANCESTRY. In other words what sort of record on Ancestry gave you that information?
Where on Ancestry? in an actual viewable record? a transcription of a record? a family tree?
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Could this be your family?
1891 2488/113
Stockton, Warwickshire
Emily Morris 28 Yrs
George Morris 5 Yrs b Brinklow, Warwickshire
Rose Morris 3 yrs
1901 2604/54/46
Stoke upon Trent
Charles Morris 50 yrs Boatman b Stockton ... Staffordshire
Rose Morris 13 yrs b Brook Lea Warwickshire
There are so many names on that other thread that I can’t connect so this might have been given already.
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Leonard was registered in Daventry reg district
There is this death
Deaths Sep 1907 (>99%)
MORRIS Charles 52 Daventry 3b 54
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Could this be your family?
1891 2488/113
Stockton, Warwickshire
Emily Morris 28 Yrs
George Morris 5 Yrs b Brinklow, Warwickshire
Rose Morris 3 yrs
1901 2604/54/46
Stoke upon Trent
Charles Morris 50 yrs Boatman b Stockton ... Staffordshire
Rose Morris 13 yrs b Brook Lea Warwickshire
There are so many names on that other thread that I can’t connect so this might have been given already.
yes it is but George Morris is actually George Herbert walker who is illegitimate child of Emily Ann walker this I no for a fact as he married a ada Byfield and no father name was given on he's marriage certificate only ada Byfield father Charles Byfield they married 2nd of August 1909 and the address was 27 and a half meriden road birmingham
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Leonard was registered in Daventry reg district
There is this death
Deaths Sep 1907 (>99%)
MORRIS Charles 52 Daventry 3b 54
If this is the right Charles, there is a possibility for Rose, his daughter here in 191a - registration district Daventry
Rose Collins 24 yrs b Brinklow married to Henry Albert Collins.
One of her children is Flora Edna May Morris 4 yrs
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Could this be your family?
1891 2488/113
Stockton, Warwickshire
Emily Morris 28 Yrs
George Morris 5 Yrs b Brinklow, Warwickshire
Rose Morris 3 yrs
1901 2604/54/46
Stoke upon Trent
Charles Morris 50 yrs Boatman b Stockton ... Staffordshire
Rose Morris 13 yrs b Brook Lea Warwickshire
There are so many names on that other thread that I can’t connect so this might have been given already.
yes it is but George Morris is actually George Herbert walker who is illegitimate child of Emily Ann walker this I no for a fact as he married a ada Byfield and no father name was given on he's marriage certificate only ada Byfield father Charles Byfield they married 2nd of August 1909 and the address was 27 and a half meriden road birmingham
I thought you were looking for Charles Morris and as you can see he is not born in Canning Town.
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Could this be your family?
1891 2488/113
Stockton, Warwickshire
Emily Morris 28 Yrs
George Morris 5 Yrs b Brinklow, Warwickshire
Rose Morris 3 yrs
1901 2604/54/46
Stoke upon Trent
Charles Morris 50 yrs Boatman b Stockton ... Staffordshire
Rose Morris 13 yrs b Brook Lea Warwickshire
There are so many names on that other thread that I can’t connect so this might have been given already.
yes it is but George Morris is actually George Herbert walker who is illegitimate child of Emily Ann walker this I no for a fact as he married a ada Byfield and no father name was given on he's marriage certificate only ada Byfield father Charles Byfield they married 2nd of August 1909 and the address was 27 and a half meriden road birmingham
I thought you were looking for Charles Morris and as you can see he is not born in Canning Town.
yes I am I was just asking your question that George Morris who is actually George Herbert walker
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I was just making sure so that I could give you that Charles.
Did you already have him after all?
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.....according to Leonard Morris Northamptonshire baptism I have the following.
1905 april 9th Leonard. Father name Charles and mother Emily Morris. Charles worked as a boatman.
The rest off the writing I don't understand.
There is not much else there to understand. The abode is Buckby Wharf and the child was baptised by G. CROSSLEY.
Charles is away from home on every census but it is likely that this is him in 1901.
1901 2604/54/46
Stoke upon Trent
Charles Morris 50 yrs Boatman b Stockton ... Staffordshire
Rose Morris 13 yrs b Brook Lea Warwickshire
Charles and Rose were on the canal at Stoke and his barge was called 'Evelyn'.
In 1881 he is probably a canal boatman in Stockton, Warwickshire, aged 25.
In 1861 he is probably on a canal boat with his parents William and Sarah in Stockton.
Debra :)
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I had looked at that family, Debra and thought it most likely. It looks as though Sarah’s name was Day.
There is another Charles b 1849 but the boat association seems good.
We will see what Kirsty thinks. :)
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The original question was Charles Morris born CANNING TOWN, which several of us found, I assume this is incorrect then?
Louisa Maud
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Charles Morris mentioned in this thread- it's 15 pages long so I didn't read through all of it-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=782973.msg6955341#msg6955341
Title of the thread is Hambridge Walker and Thompson canal people.
I have read all 15 pages ! The relevant information is in reply #72 by Isobelw referring to 1901 census when Charles Morris was with one of his daughters. "Charles was age 50 (so born about 1851) and his place of birth was Stockton Brook, Staffordshire."
I think Heywood and others have also identified that Charles Morris as the correct one.
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The original question was Charles Morris born CANNING TOWN, which several of us found, I assume this is incorrect then?
Louisa Maud
All evidence found by various people on this and Kirsty's previous thread strongly suggests that it is incorrect.
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We are waiting for Kirsty to come back and tell us. It all seems good.
She has been online so hopefully she will be back soon. :)
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The original question was Charles Morris born CANNING TOWN, which several of us found, I assume this is incorrect then?
Louisa Maud
yes I think so
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hi im looking for info on charles morris he was born 1855 in unknown place to unknown mother and father.
charles morris died 1907 daventry northamptonshire england.
he had 6 children out of 7 as hes partner emily ann walker had my great grandad father george herbert walker to unknown father.
the childrens names are as follows.
lilian morris
blanche e morris
ethel morris
charles morris
baby morris
leonard morris
lilian morris married harry dunn.
leonard morris married a constance v kettle.
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Kirsty you seem to have duplicated your profile with an additional one. Are you having problems accessing your profile, I can see that you were logged in earlier ???
I can see that you also have this other topic on the same chap
Threads merged.
Regards
Sarah
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4 pages of replies & info on that topic which also contains a reference to a further 15 page thread.
The info you give about Charles Morris on this thread does not match the info on the thread above.
You say here he was b 1855 - unknown birthplace and died 1907 Northants. Previous thread you say he was b 1852 Canning Town and died 1909
No birthyears or birthplaces given here for the children listed or dates for the marriages mentioned and no birthyear/birthplace for Emily Ann Walker
A great deal of time and effort has been spent on your other threads so can I suggest you examine it all very carefully before raising another post