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Is this register still being updated?
I ask, because there are some entries blacked out, and I know the people are long gone.
Thanks
FS
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The NHS kept the 1939 register up to date until 1991, see https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/
Stan
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I am sure anyone born after 1916 who were still alive in 1991 will still be redacted from the 1939 register unless you inform them that they have died.
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Thanks. It's not important because I do know the details of these people.
It's just strange that my Mum is showing (correctly) but her younger brother is also showing - and he is very much alive.
My father died in 1991..but is still blocked out.
FS
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I am sure anyone born after 1916 who were still alive in 1991 will still be redacted from the 1939 register unless you inform them that they have died.
That is not my experience. I know of people who have died after 1991, including quite recently, and the 1939 register has been updated by findmypast without anyone asking for it. Other sites that hold the 1939 do not update it very often and when they do they take the updates from findmypast who originally made the record public.
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The redactions were done at transcription level and any updates are probably dependant on a correction being sent in. I think they redacted anyone under 100 years old that they weren't sure had died
To have a closed entry opened you have to provide a copy of the death certificate (or at least you did when it was first published --don't know if it has changed)
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I am sure anyone born after 1916 who were still alive in 1991 will still be redacted from the 1939 register unless you inform them that they have died.
I don’t think this is necessarily the case.
My aunt, born 1919 died 2014 is now showing on the 1939 register on FindMyPast having been redacted until about a year ago.
No request was made by her family to uncover her entry.
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I thought that FindMyPast were continually updating it themselves, they certainly did a large update in September 2019
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/blog/new/explore-life-in-britain-on-the-eve-of-war
1939 Register Update
To mark the 80th anniversary of the 1939 Register, we have made over 79,000 closed records searchable for the first time in association with the National Archives. In the three years since the Register was first launched, Findmypast has matched millions of ‘closed records’ to multiple data sources to correctly confirm the date and location of death for individuals whose information was redacted. These new additions are currently exclusive to Findmypast, the official home of the 1939 register.
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I am sure anyone born after 1916 who were still alive in 1991 will still be redacted from the 1939 register unless you inform them that they have died.
I don’t think this is necessarily the case.
My aunt, born 1919 died 2014 is now showing on the 1939 register on FindMyPast having been redacted until about a year ago.
No request was made by her family to uncover her entry.
Your aunt was born more than 100 years ago - and so had the redaction removed.
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I believe FindMyPast are actively cross checking the register with the GRO Death Index, they also automatically open any record that has a DoB more than 100 years ago. Subscribers can open a closed record without charge if they provide proof of death, usually a DC but I understand they will very reluctantly accept other official evidence, you'll need to contact them for details.
Ah, rosie has already confirmed it whilst I was typing.
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My Mother 1926-2008 showing on the 1939
My Father 1922-1991 NOT showing
My uncle 1933- still alive, but showing on the 1939
There does not seem to be any logic in this - hence my original posting. Thanks for you input guys.
Just had an idea, though. My uncle emigrated to Canada. Could that be the reason? Not sure what records he still has here. I am sure he still has a British passport.
FS
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Is this register still being updated?
I ask, because there are some entries blacked out, and I know the people are long gone.
Thanks
FS
The short answer is no the 1939 National Registration (1939) is not being updated.
As Stan stated until 1991 the NHS used the 1939 (Although this use by the NHS was at the best unlawful and very possibly illegal, as reassurance was given to Parliament on 21 May 1953 that “National Registration has been wholly abandoned.” with the exception that “Some numbering system, however, is necessary for the purposes of the National Health Service and. For reasons of economy, this is based upon the old numbers.”
Full discussion of this may be seen at-
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ph1/
However that is not the full story, due to current privacy fears it was decided to redact entries on the 1939 that contained details of living persons (I.E. any person born less than 100 years ago).
Those are the entries blacked out, there are currently 3 ways a redacted entry will be unredacted before 1 January 2040 when the entire register will be unredacted.
1) A little after the relevant person would have reached 100 years old their entry is unredacted a visible on the FindMyPast online 1939 and the copy provided at the National Archives (The copies of the 1939 on others licenced sites are unredacted later when those sites carry out database updates.).
2) FindMyPast has a team of researchers reconciling deaths with entries on the 1939 if they find a person whose entry is redacted has died they will unredact that entry.
3) Any person in the world can send proof of death of a redacted person on the 1939 (such as a Death Certificate), on receiving proof of death FindMyPast will unredact the entry.
In addition if any person who appears on the 1939 unredacted objects they may write to FindMyPast and ask for their entry to be redacted, as with all privacy request this legally has to be done by the person themselves or their official representative not just someone else who thinks the entry should be redacted.
Cheers
Guy
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Thank you all.
FS
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I'm pretty sure that Findmypast has recently opened up some records that would now be over 100 years old - i.e. born in the first few months of 1920. I've found some from my family recently which weren't open a few months ago.
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My Dad slipped through the net - born in 1936, still very much alive and shows up on the 1939 register. His brother, born 1939 is redacted.
Mistakes do happen.
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My Dad slipped through the net - born in 1936, still very much alive and shows up on the 1939 register. His brother, born 1939 is redacted.
Mistakes do happen.
Yes, I've seen many, many more like this. In a lot of cases it's because the dates of birth column has become mis-aligned with the names column, so the wrong dates are assigned to the wrong people.