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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Sonoma Bill on Sunday 10 May 20 20:32 BST (UK)
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Hello - New member. I'm trying to find information on Helen Bearup who was married (2nd wife) to Thomas Hislop Paterson (my great-great-grandparents). I know Thomas' parents were John Paterson and Isabella Hislop. Any information on the ancestors of Helen Bearup would be greatly appreciated. Sonoma Bill
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Bill, welcome to Rootschat, I don't see anything like Bearup in Black's Surnames of Scotland. Google suggests Yorkshire?
Bests,
Skoosh.
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https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
THOMAS HISLOP PATERSON married HELEN BEARAP
1/12/1854 Melrose.
Colin
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1861 - Ladhope Bank, Melrose, Roxburghshire. (Freereg)
PATERSON Thomas Head 50 Teacher ROX Ancrum
PATERSON Helen Wife 42 BEW Greenlaw
PATERSON Isabella Dau 19 Domestic Serv BEW Edrom
PATERSON James Son 17 ROX Melrose
PATERSON Charlotte Dau 6 Scholar ROX Melrose
PATERSON William Son 3 ROX Melrose
PATERSON Margaret Dau 1 ROX Melrose
It looks like Helen may have been married previously to a Bearap, the marriage record above may confirm.
Colin
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Helen P*t*r*s*n, other surname Bearup, died in Galashiels in 1902 aged 84.
Go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, register and invest in a few credits, and use some of them to download the death certificate. It should tell you the full names of Helen's parents including her mother's maiden surname.
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Hi Bill and welcome to RootsChat from me too :)
There is a couple from Gordon, Berwickshire having children at the right time to possibly connect to Helen. At least 3 children show for a James Bearup and a Charlotte Houliston. Charlotte looks to be the name of Helen's first child with Thomas Paterson.
As suggested by Forfarian, checking her death reg will let you confirm her parental details.
Monica
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There is family research online for Helen's family here http://houliston.lisaandroger.com/getperson.php?personID=I4014&tree=Houliston
Use it as a guide and needing confirmation, but looks well researched from what I can see.
Monica
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Thank you all so much for all of your quick and informative responses. Wow! I'm really blown away by all of the good information.
I just finished looking at the Houliston family tree (on Helen Bearup) that was included in Monica's response above. That is absolutely amazing.
I know I need to confirm all of the information, but it provides a great starting point - and it looks like it's very well researched.
Again, many thanks!
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P.S. I have two other outstanding questions where I've run into a brick wall:
1. Elspeth Ker (married to John Paterson in Scotland, with a son named John Paterson who is my 4th g-grandfather)
2. Agnes Adamson (married to Charles Smith in Scotland, with a son named Charles Smith who is my 3rd g-grandfather)
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P.S. I have two other outstanding questions where I've run into a brick wall:
1. Elspeth Ker (married to John Paterson in Scotland, with a son named John Paterson who is my 4th g-grandfather)
2. Agnes Adamson (married to Charles Smith in Scotland, with a son named Charles Smith who is my 3rd g-grandfather)
Have you got any idea of dates and places, even approximate?
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Thanks a lot for your help. I don't have birth or death dates for Elspeth Ker and her husband. John Paterson (Elspeth's son) was born in 1793 (no death date).
I have that Agnes Adamson was born in 1806. Her husband (Charles Smith) was born in 1806 and died in 1859. Her son (Charles Smith) was born in 1829 (no death date), and he was married to Catherine Forsan (born in 1830).
All in Scotland (maybe around Galashiels). That's all I have.
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Hi Bill
There are a few things around for Charles Smith and wife Agnes Adamson. Is this the family here? https://gw.geneanet.org/etakathyaolco?lang=en&n=smith&nz=dunn&oc=8&p=charles&pz=larry+k.&type=tree
This looks to be them in 1841:
Charles Smith 35 b. agr lab b. Scotland
Agness Smith 35
Charles Smith 13 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTYD-33P
Robert Smith 10
Janet Smith 7
Margret Smith 2
Doanker Johnston 8 Months
Address: Markle, Prestonkirk East Lothian
www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a1498a0f4040b9d6e94c328/charles-smith-1841-east-lothian-prestonkirk-1828-?locale=en
Monica
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Hi Monica - That certainly looks like the family. On the family tree that you linked, the birth date for the son (Charles Smith) of Agnes Adamson is 15 JULY 1827. I have "about 1829" so it's pretty close and looks more exact than what I have. Thank you again, so much! Bill
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The birth index for Charles from Family Search shows 15 July 1827. You should be able to find Charles' christening/birth entry on the Old Parish Register on Scotlands People.
This is Charles I think after his marriage and his mother Agnes in the household:
Charles Smith 32 farmer of 40 acres b. Gladsmuir, east lothian
Catherine Smith 31 b. Merton, Roxburghshire
Charles Smith 7
Jane Smith 6
Elisabeth Smith 9 Months
Agnes Smith 9 Months
Agnes Adamson 59 mother b, Whittingham, East Lothian
Adam Scott 16 ploughman b. Melrose, Roxburghshire
Address: Newstead, Melrose Rox.
Monica
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Yes, that is definitely them. Agnes and Elisabeth (both age 9 months in the census) were twins. Agnes eventually married William Patterson and moved with him to Baltimore, Maryland where they started a florist business. Agnes and William were my great-grandparents (from my mother Dorothy and her mother Charlotte). I was born and grew up in Baltimore. Very exciting! Thank you so much!
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Possible death for mother Agnes Adamson/Smith in Peebles in 1883 at the age of 81. Worth viewing on SP to let you confirm her parents' names.
Charles' brother Robert looks to have headed off to Australia www.wikitree.com/wiki/Smith-147826
Sister Margaret you have details of her from that family tree that you could follow up and confirm.
Possible entry for Agnes with daughter Janet in 1881:
Charles Stone 43 b. Prestonpans, Haddingtonshire (can't make out his occupation)
Janet Stone 45 b. Atholstoneford, Haddingtonshire
Agnes Smith 79 mother in law b. Whitingham, Haddingtonshire
George Stone 9
Janet Stone 6
Address: Cross Street, Peebles
Family name is Storie rather than Stone. Mum Agnes shows as living with them in 1871 in Longniddry Station, Gladsmuir. The original image would help. Their marriage here on the index www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTR2-652 (original cert on SP).
Monica
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Charles Snr was not with Agnes on the 1851 census:
Agnes Smith 47 Out Worker
Robert Smith 19
Margaret Smith 11
Ann Clyde 70 boarder
Alexander Mc Kenzie 10 boarder
Agnes Mc Kenzie 8 boarder
Address: Markle, Prestonkirk East Lothian
What is the source for him having died in 1859?
Monica
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Charles Smith Snr was already deceased by the time of the 1851 census (explains why there were only four children from the marriage maybe?).
From another transcript for the 1851 census, Agnes shows as widowed by 1851: www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a149ab9f4040b9d6e972ae1/agnes-smith-1851-east-lothian-prestonkirk-1804-?locale=en
Monica
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Thank you again, Monica. I'll have to check on the death date for Charles. I don't think it was exact (just about), so I'm sure you're correct with him passing before 1851.
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I think the date of 1859 has likely been taken from son Charles' 1859 marriage entry with father Charles simple showing as deceased.
Can't see any reference to his death unfortunately. Official registration in Scotland started in 1855. Before this, you are reliant on the Old Parish Registers. Death & burial entries were the worst kept and very patchy throughout Scotland.
Monica
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Have a search around on this site. Free to search and view as it says in the name!
Charles' 1827 parish entry has been transcribed here www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/581812fae93790ec8bae42dd/charles-smith-baptism-east-lothian-prestonkirk-1827-?locale=en
You sometimes get clues as to other family members if other names are mentioned in the entries, such as sponsors to baptisms.
Main site here www.freereg.org.uk If you I would also tick for family members and witnesses for any given name you search.
Monica
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From his OPR entry in 1827, birth place is given as Trabrown Parish of Gladsmuir. See below a description of this place from 1853-54.
https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/east-lothian-os-name-books-1853-1854/east-lothian-volume-36/19
Monica
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These are the marriage details from the OPR entry for Agnes and Charles www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817d490e93790eb7fa50cd8/agnes-adamson-charles-smith-marriage-east-lothian-tranent-1825-12-05?locale=en
You are in luck! Quite often these are no more than the names of bride and groom and a date on a page.
This should hopefully match what will show on her death reg.
I will leave you to work through....
Monica
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So, from the marriage record, John Adamson was the father of Agnes Adamson. And the 15 July 1827 birthdate for Charles Smith is obviously correct. Thank you again. Bill