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Hello all,
Help please!
In 1874 Margaret Ball reported that she and family had arrived on James Gibb in October 1850 in Port Adelaide. (noted on her admission to Royal Adelaide Hospital)
Margaret, her husband William and family, were married in Middlesex in 1837 . They had about 6 children in England before coming to Australia where they had 7 more children.
The family doesn't appear on the official passenger list for the James Gibb. Were names left of for any reason? It's a mystery! Help appreciated. Thank you. Dougmc
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They are included on this list of passengers thanking the surgeon
(column 4, bottom of page)
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206987292
M
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Hi,
Thanks so much for this info. That is fantastic!
Much appreciated ...kind regards,
Dougmc
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Hi Matthew again,
Would there any way of finding William and Margaret Ball's children who were also on board the James Gibb?
Are there departure lists from Plymouth?
Sorry for being greedy!
regards, Dougmc
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Related threads:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813423.0
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813467.msg6741773#msg6741773
Jamjar
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Hello all,
Help please!
In 1874 Margaret Ball reported that she and family had arrived on James Gibb in October 1850 in Port Adelaide. (noted on her admission to Royal Adelaide Hospital)
Margaret, her husband William and family, were married in Middlesex in 1837 . They had about 6 children in England before coming to Australia where they had 7 more children.
The family doesn't appear on the official passenger list for the James Gibb. Were names left of for any reason? It's a mystery! Help appreciated. Thank you. Dougmc
Hi
I wonder if you had seen the information returned to to you on your post of May 27th 1919 in this forum.
Jamjar has linked it above.
It gives some history for this family including the birth of children in Wagga NSW.
You can see the birth of children covering years 1870 to 1777 and the dates do seem to place the couple in NSW not South Australia.
So my question is why do you think the Margaret BALLl in the hospital is the woman of your interest?
Of course she may have made a brief visit to SA and become ill while there then returned to NSW .
What other details are on the hospital record?
Sue
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I've just noticed that The mother of the the NSW children was Elizabeth, not Margaret.
So now I am confused indeed.
Oh, right it is the son in NSW :P
Sue
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Hi Margaret,
We have the official birth records of 7 children born in South Australia to William Ball and wife Margaret (Bailey).
First born in England (John Gow Ball) went to NSW at some stage.
The age for Margaret Ball at Royal Adelaide Hispotal is a perfect fit.
Another Margaret born in 1850 in
England..she died in South Australia also. She would have been a baby on the ship along with older siblings John Gow Ball, Ann Ball? William Ball , and James Ball.
I'll go back to those earlier links you mentioned too.
Thanks so much...
Dougmc
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BDM NSW birth
18114/1870 BALL James parents John G / Elizabeth @ Wagga Wagga
18753/1872 BALL Charles parents John G / Elizabeth @ Wagga Wagga
20683/1875 BALL Robert parents John Gaw / Elizabeth @ Wagga Wagga
21727/1877 BALL Henry parents John G / Elizabeth @ Wagga Wagga
Deaths:
13097/1923 Robert WAGGA
Obit, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article143198972
6403/1951 Charles WAGGA (has incorrect name of mother)
Obit, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article145561202
They also had a son William Thomas:
5695/1868 BALL William T B parents John and Elizabeth at WENTWORTH
13806/1946 BALL William Thomas parents JOHN and ELIZABETH WAGGA WAGGA
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144234851/william-thomas-ball
19137/1955 BALL Henry parents JOHN GOW and ELIZABETH LIVERPOOL
Liverpool Cemetery & Crematorium
Location: Section: Anglican H Row:12 | SEC*ANGH*ROW12** | 151
HENRY BALL
Passed away on 10 September 1955
Aged 78 years
Mother Elizabeth remarried. Obit here: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/144239261/elizabeth-noonan
The daughter mentioned in obit:
15582/1864 BALL Mary A parents John and Elizabeth WAGGA
323/1893 COOPER George A to BALL Mary H
Other child born Wagga: 16970/1867 Elizabeth died 8075/1867
Jamjar
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Thanks for all that, Jamjar...
appreciated
Dougmc😉
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Hi again and thanks for all info.
Getting back to William and Margaret Ball on board the James Gibb in 1850, I'm still hoping there may be some way of finding an official passenger list for the ship with the names of their children listed.
...or even William Ball and family etc.
Are there any departure lists from Plymouth at the start of the family's trip to Australia?
Any help much appreciated.
Dougmc
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Very unlikely, and I imagine would have been found by other researchers by now
'Passenger departure lists are rare before 1890'
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/England_Emigration_and_Immigration
Do you have names and birth years for all the children who may have travelled?
M
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This website is a comprehensive shipping and passenger source
https://bound-for-south-australia.collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/BeginningYourJourney.htm
At the top of this page is a statement to the effect-there are no other sources known.
https://bound-for-south-australia.collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/ShipLists%20Alpha%20by%20Year/1836-1851Passengers-AlphaList.htm
Biographical Index of South Australians.
BALL, William. Born 1833 died 5/2/1871. Buried WTC. Arrived by 1868. Residence Adelaide. Married Margaret born c. 1821. Died 14/8/1904
Children. Son. Charlotte died infancy. William (1844 -1868). James.
So not much more than you already knew.
Sue
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Thanks Sue,
Certainly that family.
Hi Matthew..We think the following children would have been on the boat to Australia with their parents.
John Gow Ball b.1838, Ann(e) b.1840, William b,1844, James b,1847 and baby Margaret b. 1850
Thanks to all for work done and any follow-ups!
kind regards,
Dougmc
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William Ball and Margaret Bailey are my great, great grandparents. From research by my late aunt more than 30 years ago, which included interviews with her father (William's grandson), we have the following:
William b. c1813, d.1871.
Margaret b.1821, d.1904
First two children not known but believed born in England and we don't know whether they came to South Australia, died in infancy or stayed in England.
William: b. 1844, d.1868
James: b.1847, d.1926
Margaret: b.c1850, d.1926
Eliza: b.1851, d. ?
Amelia: b.1853, d. ?
Charlotte: birth and death unknown, died in infancy
Charles: b.1863, d.1930