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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: dodger123 on Thursday 30 April 20 07:21 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm trying to locate properties in the late 1700's in Widnes (Lancashire before the change to Cheshire) called Parrs Salt Meadow, Two Coal Brows and Widnes Moor which had been with a William Wright b1729. According to his will he left the parcels of land to his sons. Does anyone know of old ordnance maps etc that may show where they had been located. I believe Widnes Moor is where Moors Lane is today, however that is just speculation.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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Can I suggest this Thread be moved to Lancashire board by Admin please - although Widnes is in Cheshire now - the period of this thread it was in Lancashire :)
all records are on http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
if William Wright married Ellinor Heskison in 1749 - both from Widnes - there are these baptisms
Baptism: 12 Apr 1751 St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire, England
Thomas Wright - Son of William Wright & Ellen
Abode: Widnes
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Baptism: 15 Mar 1754 St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire, England
Richd. Wright - Son of William Wright & Ellen
Abode: Widnes
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Baptism: 29 Dec 1756 St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire, England
Ellen Wright - Daughter of Wm. Wright & Ellen
Abode: Widnes
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Baptism: 17 Feb 1760 St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire, England
Sarah Wright - Daughter of William Wright & Ellen
Abode: Widnes
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Baptism: 24 Oct 1762 St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire, England
John Wright - Son of William Wright & Ellen
Abode: Widnes
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Baptism: 24 Jun 1765 St Luke (formerly St Wilfrid), Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire, England
John Wright - Son of William Wright & Ellen
Abode: Widnes
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so - I live about 5 miles from Widnes - would the church being in Farnworth ,Widnes suggest that is the area where the farms are / were ??
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Parrs House is marked on this map :-\
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102344126#zoom=5&lat=1571&lon=11812&layers=BT
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Hi, Garstonite
Thanks for the information, you certainly have the right William Wright. I believe some of the parcels of land may be down near West Bank as some of his descendants had property down there - Croft House Farm being one of them.
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I was down West Bank just before lockdown for a funeral - so peaceful down there - quiet area
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Thanks Kay99
Thanks for the map. If that is Parrs House, Parrs Salt Meadows must be around that area.
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the only Parr I know in that area is in St Helens officially - but is only 5 miles from Widnes ? just wondered if it may be that Parr ?
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Croft's House and West Bank are shown on this map https://maps.nls.uk/view/102344129#zoom=4&lat=3676&lon=2148&layers=BT
Stan
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Thanks Stanmapstone for map
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Attached an 1845 map of Widnes, showing the location of Widnes Moor. Parr House would have been located just off the bottom left corner of the map, so have attached a contemporary photo of that area, possibly the salt meadow to which you refer.
I have never heard of Two coals Brow before, but will ask around as I live in Widnes.
(Sorry, having trouble loading images. Will keep trying)
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map
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salt meadow
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Thank you so much michaelcharles, it is very much appreciated. I always find it interesting to know where ancestors lived or the place they owned or worked on.
Thank you.
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Dodger, I have been researching Widnes land ownership for some decades now and have an extensive collection of deeds, sales notices, and wills etc. Be in no doubt that your Wright ancestors were in West Bank exclusively.
Certainly Mark Wright lived and farmed 65 acres of Croft's House, but before that the land had been included in William Hurst's land holdings.
Part of the deeds (a very small part) includes the following,
1795 - 'land next to the River Mersey - which was purchased by William Wright from Thomas Hawarden of Liverpool which was the customary inheritance of Samuel Denton, then James Naylor, then Thos Parr (deceased) then Rev. John Parr, then John Parr (deceased) who sold to William Wright, who sold to William Hurst.'
The marriage settlement of Willam Hurst's son-in-law in 1852 includes Coal Brow, Salt Meadow and Moorside Farm (which became Gerrard's Fold). These areas, as well as Croft's House can be seen on the Tithe Maps of c.1840.
The Parr's House of the earlier reply was in Ditton parish and not to be mistaken for land in West Bank. The accompanying photo is of Pickering's Pasture.
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Sorry to be slightly off-topic, but the map of Widnes brought back such memories. :)
I was employed, back in the days, by ICI and had lodgings in Runcorn, but had to attend the Technical College in Widnes - so travelling via the Transporter was the daily routine. Problem was when the wind was too vicious and we had to walk across the railway bridge >:( And I watched the building of the road bridge, started from either end and meeting in the middle :o
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hoople, a very interesting post. Any chance that you could identify the location of Coal Brow? Your mention of Moorside Farm was particularly interesting. My father lived there in the 1920's, but I have never heard of Gerrard's Fold. There is still a Gerrard Street in Widnes, not too far from the site of the farm. Cheer, Mike.
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MichaelCharles,
Coal Brow, according to the Tithe Map, stood between the canal and Waterloo Road on the first bend (from the river) of the canal. Gerrard's Fold Farm was named after the tenants from c.1820, the family of Joseph Gerrard. There were two Gerrard Streets. One by the farm off Waterloo Road and the other still runs from the Simms Cross pub which was built by William Gerrard (Joseph's son) in 1868.
If your father lived at Moorside Farm in the 1920's, it was the farm of that name in Milton Road, (previously - Dog Lane) which was demolished to make way for council houses in the 1930's. It stood just to the west of Cameron Road where the houses meet the path that goes to the Bowling Club.
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Cheers, Hoople. I can place Coal Brow now. Just never heard of it. Yes, my dad (and grandparents and his siblings) moved to Cuerdley Hall Farm c. 1930.
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Hi, Hoople
Thank you for the information it is very much appreciated.
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If your father lived at Moorside Farm in the 1920's, it was the farm of that name in Milton Road, (previously - Dog Lane) which was demolished to make way for council houses in the 1930's. It stood just to the west of Cameron Road where the houses meet the path that goes to the Bowling Club.
See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=53.36519&lon=-2.73519&layers=168&right=BingHyb
Stan