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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: xpq194z on Thursday 30 April 20 00:38 BST (UK)
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HELLO
Have a querry, a person in my family tree murdered is wife .was a trial .been trying to find what sentence was given. or did he die in prison. was over a hundred years ago.but afraid to put where murder took place .and is name .in case the children who were very young at the time.have family in the area .might not want is name said. is it possible to ask for a death cert. if tell them who father was and mother. even if cannot say when died. mike
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is it possible to ask for a death cert. if tell them who father was and mother
Ask whom for the cert?
Jamjar
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Same comment as Jamjar. Surely the children already know who their parents were so if you mean who his parents were English death certs don't give parents names.
Look up his death on freebmd
If the murder took place over 100yrs ago he should be on the 1911 census or look for his birth on freebmd
Or - Buy a copy of the marriage cert which will give his fathers name
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Not sure if I have understood correctly, but I thought that the OP meant that they did not want to mention any names in regards to this family in case there are living family who may find this thread and who perhaps either did not know about the murder or may not want anyone else finding out. :-\
Xpq194z, yes, you can buy the death certificate without involving any of the family.
If you can find the death here:
https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
You can apply and pay via the GRO website:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp but you do need to register.
Good luck.
Added: there may be reports of the murder and trial in the local or national newspapers of the time. I think many have been digitised and viewable online via subscription. If you start a new thread requesting a newspaper lookup you may find that someone is able to do this for you via Personal Message as you do not want to give the names on this public forum. :)
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Hello
Thank you for all the replies. should have said do no the fathers name and mothers of the person who did the murder .also read the trial report . in the newspaper at the time ..though strange to say not found a report in any paper where murder took place .the papers do not say what sentence given .as to ask who.thought could ring record office .just needed some advice .of best way to find more information.but also been careful of what rules you have in place about mentioning certain people.mike
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Ancestry has some records of court sentences, have you tried searching on there? The ones I have seen have been for Yorkshire.
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Hello Crumblie.
thank you .yes had a look on ancestry .but no luck.but did try free bmd . got a death in 1937 .but death is in same town did the murder. do no there is no place to keep him in prison there. as you suggest maybe should buy the death cert. just found with this sites help.will clear up where died. mike
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but I thought that the OP meant that they did not want to mention any names in regards to this family in case there are living family who may find this thread and who perhaps either did not know about the murder or may not want anyone else finding out
Exactly - which is why I suggested he did the looking up himself - that way no names are mentioned here. He is an experienced poster which is why I didn't put any links to freebmd/GRO
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is it possible to ask for a death cert. if tell them who father was and mother. even if cannot say when died.
So what you are saying is you already know his parentage and already have a newspaper report of the trial
You already have his death in 1937 from freebmd
So - apart from finding what length sentence he received there doesn't seem to be anything else. Is that correct?
The death cert will tell you where he died. If not in prison and you already know the trial date - then you will know he received a sentence of somewhere between the 2 dates
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Hello Carole w
thank for you advice .signed of as thought finished topic. today found my death disc of the town ,bought from the family history group in 2007. looked up the person .death in 1937 .only one by name
says shipyard blacksmith age 57. which is correct ,but what puzzles me is thought murder was for life.did he get released early . should I buy the death certificate .as you say will not say parents.did find is wife grave .which did not have. hope not been too much trouble with my querry. do not want to waste peoples time .went on british newspapers site. found three reports .one in leeds .one from hull . last in Sheffield not a paid member of site .wondering if to pay .as only want trial reports.but would be intresting reading. thanks again .you can close this topic .as you suggest got most facts.mike
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Occasionally the British Newspaper Archive or Find My Past [who also have same newspapers] have special offers so you could look out for those; some libraries have access to Findmypast so when they reopen [and if you are able to get to one] you could look there for free.
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Hi Josey .thank you . will look on find my past . and signed up on the site .but not a paying member .as paying for ancestry at present. mike
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HI
Just thought would like to know have the details of the court case from the northern whig paper .
from IRELAND. Strange the case made it into the Irish newspaper .still he was charged with manslaughter . and sentenced to TEN YEARS .penal servitude . so would be free in 1926.
michael
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Thanks for letting us know, Michael. I believe there was certain amount of newspaper report syndication in those days.