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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: mrk on Wednesday 29 April 20 19:12 BST (UK)
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I have a very small DNA match with someone whose ancestors, Jeremiah Ryan and Alice Dwyer, came from the Catholic Parish of Golden and Kilfeacle. There are two baptism registrations (1834, 1836) that both record the location of the family as "Abbey." I have checked Google Maps and townlands.ie with no success. Askaboutireland.ie showed 19 Jeremiah Ryans in Griffith's who were living in the barony of Clanwilliam. Of these, there are two Jeremiahs who lived close to Golden. One was from the civil parish of Rlickmurry & Athassel who is definitely not the Jeremiah that I am looking for. The other Jeremiah is recorded in the civil parish of Kilfeacle which is a possibility. My DNA match wondered if "Abbey" might be close to Athassel Abbey but that lies outside the civil parish boundary of Kilfeacle. Any further suggestions as to the location of "Abbey" would be greatly appreciated!
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Possibly short for Athasselabbey
https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish_main.php?civilparishid=2284&county=&civilparish=Relickmurry%20and%20Athassel
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The link to Irish Ancestors on the main page (at the bottom) of each parish is very handy for finding the names of places in the parish.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0267
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I checked the link and there is mention of Athassel North and Athassel South pertaining to the 1901 and 1911 censuses; these could be possibilities I suppose as they lie in the district electoral division of Thomastown which is not too far from Golden. Would those names have been in use in the 1830s?
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I checked that out as well but there was nothing for Abbey. However, I will have to keep that link in mind for other searches. Thanks!
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You have discounted this one I think but the place seems quite good. Why is he definitely the one you are not looking for? Have you found him in later records?
Tithe Applotment Book
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587400/004587400_00045.pdf
Griffiths Valuation has the same place - Jeremiah Ryan at Sergeant's Lot which is the one close to Athasselabbey
Is the other GV, Jermiah in Knocballynoe East, Kilfeacle parish where there are Dwyers also?
Also close to Athasselabbey.
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I checked the link and there is mention of Athassel North and Athassel South pertaining to the 1901 and 1911 censuses; these could be possibilities I suppose as they lie in the district electoral division of Thomastown which is not too far from Golden. Would those names have been in use in the 1830s?
It's Athasselabbey North and Athasselabby South. Which is one townland divided into two, and what could be better as a short name for Athasselabbey than Abbey.
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Baptisms around the time you have show children born to
John Ryan and Ally/ Alicia Dwyer, Suirville and
Jeremiah Ryan and Ally/ Alicia Dwyer, Abbey
Golden parish
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Suirville borders Athasselabbey
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The Jeremiah Ryan mentioned in the 12 May 1834 record was married to Elize Anderson. He did, indeed, come from Sergeant's Lot fronting on Cashel Road where my 2X great grandfather, Daniel Ryan lived with his wife, Mary Lahey, and children. Both of these Ryans (along with a Charles Ryan) are found in Griffith's and the Tithe Applotment Books.
The Jeremiah that I am interested in appears in a baptism registration dated 4 February as follows: "John of Jeremiah Ryan & Alicia Dwyer, Sprs / James Coffy & Alicia Keating, Abbey."
The Jeremiah from Knocballynoe East certainly sounds promising: the townland is about 6.5 km. west of Golden and there are not only Dwyers but a Keating as well, albeit an immediate lessor. Today, there is a St. Patrick's Church, Kilfeacle in the vicinity that is part of the modern day parish of Golden & Kilfeacle.
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Thanks - that fits into my reasoning re Jeremiah and the townlands.
There are several baptisms on the pages of those mentioned who have Abbey as their residence so that could be another way of checking.
As Sinann posts the shortening of the name makes sense.
The parish of Golden covers several civil parishes
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pe1/
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William Charles Dalton baptised 23 Jan 1879 Abbey (Right hand page)
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632729#page/163/mode/1up
Birth cert address Athassel Abbey
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02930/2073703.pdf
Residents of Abbey don't seem to be great at getting their children's births registered.
Saw a few baptisms for the Stritch family, here is Sarah on 26 Dec 1877, right hand page
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632729#page/159/mode/1up
Sarah in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Thomastown/Athasselabbey_South/1719069/
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Thanks - that fits into my reasoning re Jeremiah and the townlands.
There are several baptisms on the pages of those mentioned who have Abbey as their residence so that could be another way of checking.
As Sinann posts the shortening of the name makes sense.
The parish of Golden covers several civil parishes
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pe1/
Yes, just to make things interesting! I will check out some other records; thanks for the tip.
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Thanks, Sinann; I'll check those out.
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Thanks to all who replied. Your suggestions have been most helpful and are appreciated.