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My Great Grandfather John Edgar, born 1928, was married to Mary Jane Dennison on 10th Jan 1860. Their son Robert, born on 28th April 1883 married Agnes McCully on 5th Oct 1920. Robert's father John Edgar died on 10th October 1913 aged 85. John's wife Mary Jane died in 1917 aged 73 which would make her birth around 1844. However, the 1901 Census and 1911 Census record Mary Jane's age as 60 and 70 respectively making her birth around 1841.
Mary Jane's father was John Dennison and I have a record of John Dennison's marriage to Mary Sprott on 19th May 1937 at 1st Dromara Presbyterian Church which the Edgar's also attended until the opening of the Reformed Presbyterian Church in 1874. Trying to confirm if Mary Sprott was Mary Jane Dennison's mother. Also have a record that Grace Faris / Faires / Ferris, wife of Robert Dennison had a son John Dennison born on 1st Nov 1817. Trying to confirm this is the same John Dennison as Mary Jane's father.
On the Edgar side of the family, I know that John Edgar's father was Hamilton Edgar and was married to Mary Sloan but Hamilton passed away in the early to mid-30's as Mary Sloan got remarried to James Coulter, also of Lower Moybrick, in 1836. Mary Coulter died in October 1883 and the death registration was signed by her son John Edgar.
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Just to avoid double searching - I forgot to mention that John Edgar / Mary Jane Dennison had 15 children of which 13 survived. I have most of these details so looking for their parents families details.
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Do you have this :
Name
John Edgar
Event Type
Marriage
Event Date
10 Jan 1860
Event Place
Ireland
Event Place (Original)
Dromara, Down, Ireland
Gender
Male
Father's Name
Hamilton Edgar
Spouse's Name
Mary Jane Dennison
Spouse's Gender
Female
Spouse's Father's Name
John Dennison
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1860/09584/5475036.pdf
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Yes I have that thanks.
Have also established that Hamilton Edgar's wife was in fact Mary Sloan. She remarried in 1836 (after Hamilton's death) to James Coulter a neighbouring farmer in Lower Moybrick. She died on 19th October 1883 aged 83 - this was just 5 months after her grandson (my Grandfather Robert) was born. Mary Coulter (as she now was) was born in 1800 and the death registration was signed by her son John Edgar (my great grandfather).
Hamilton probably is old than her - maybe born in the 1780's or 1790's. Everything from the 1800's forward except Hamiltons marriage is pretty clear.
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My grandfather Robert Edgar, born 28th April 1883 was married to Mary Jane Dennison on 5th Oct 1920.
I think there's a typing error here!
Robert Edgar (of Moybrick) married Agnes McCully (of Closkelt) on 5th October 1920 at Drumgooland Presbyterian Church.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1920/09275/5358201.pdf
Respective townlands:
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-upper-lower-half/dromara/moybrick-upper/ (or lower)
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-upper-lower-half/drumgooland/cloghskelt/
KG
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Sorry - quite correct!
Mary Jane Dennison married John Edgar on 10th January 1860. Their son Robert married Agnes McCully in 1920. Agnes' father was Alexander McCully (born 1873) and her mother was Elizabeth (I think Moore) born 1874. Elizabeth died from TB on 9th April 1901 aged 27 when Agnes was 5. Her husband Alexander went to Chicago and Agnes (called Aggie) was brought up by her Uncle Adam McCully and his wife Emma (nee Lauglin). My father was named after Adam.
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Is this their Marriage.
Record Type
Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage
3 Mar 1892
Groom Name
alexander MCCULLY
Bride Name
elizabeth MCCARRON
Church
Drumgooland Church of Ireland
Parish
Drumgooland
Civil District
Banbridge
County
Down
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10620/5869322.pdf
U/1896/34/1006/14/161
Agnes
McCully
15th March 1896
Female
McCarren
Banbridge(pre-1973 Q4)
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Agnes' father was Alexander McCully (born 1873) and her mother was Elizabeth (I think Moore) born 1874.
As sam barry has said:
Elizabeth's maiden name was McCarron. Marriage 1892.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10620/5869322.pdf
Agnes born 15th March 1896 at Deehommed, Drumgooland. #161
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02175/1823579.pdf
Deehommed townland
https://www.townlands.ie/down/iveagh-upper-lower-half/drumgooland/deehommed/
KG
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This from: rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/
but I think you already have this:
Hamilton
EDGAR.
Dromara
of Lower Moybrick; husband of Mary Sloan ; father of William b. 12 Oct 1830 & bpt. at Dromara Presbyterian Church ; died before Mar 1836 as Mary remarried
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Kiltaglassan
Yes you are probably right about Elizabeth McCarran - I can check with my Auntie Beth - she is the Daughter of Agnes McCully. Certainly Agnes was 5 in the 1901 Census. I was torn about this as I thought there was a connection with the Moore's of Moybrick as well.
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That is right Sam Barry.
Mary Coulter died in October 1883 and the death registration was signed by her son John Edgar - my Great Grandfather..
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Yes you are probably right about Elizabeth McCarran - I can check with my Auntie Beth - she is the Daughter of Agnes McCully. Certainly Agnes was 5 in the 1901 Census.
Agnes in 1901 census....younger sister Isabella
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Moneyslane/Moneyslane/1200975/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000695232/
Bella Beck McCully born 1898 MMN McCarren #15
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1898/02076/1792320.pdf
KG
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Probably one of your "Dennison" relatives:
Surname(s)
Graveyard
Civil Parish
Graveyard Location
County
DENNISON
Donaghcloney CI
Donaghcloney
Magherana
Down
Gravestone Inscription
In memory of Robert Dennison of Islanderry, died 24th July 1853 aged 81 years.
Comment
[Donaghcloney, 124, with the above]
Surname(s)
Graveyard
Civil Parish
Graveyard Location
County
DENNISON, CORBETT
Dromara 1st Pres
Dromara
Ardtanagh
Down
Gravestone Inscription
Erected by Mary Jane Dennison, Ardtana, in memory of her beloved husband William Dennison who died 8th May 1874 aged 68 years Also her father John CORBETT who died 30th August 1857 aged 76 years Also her mother Mary Corbett who died 20th April 1850 aged 65 years Also their son Alexander Corbett died 7th May 1908 aged 84 years William John Corbett who died 18th July 1925 aged 65 years Also his wife Esther who died 31st May 1902 aged 44 years.
Surname(s)
Graveyard
Civil Parish
Graveyard Location
County
DENNISON
Garvaghy CI
Garvaghy
Fedany
Down
Gravestone Inscription
Erected by W J Dennison in loving memory of his mother Betty-Ann who died 3rd Dec 1898 Also his wife Jane who died 9th Sept 1920 Also the above named W J Dennison, died 22nd March 1930 aged 83 years Till He come.
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Title :
Mr
Date of Death :
22 March 1930
Surname :
Dennison
Date of Grant :
25 August 1930
Forename :
William John
Reseal Date :
Registry :
Belfast
Effects :
Effects £3557 18s 9d
No Image
Full Abstract :
Dennison William John of Meeting Street Dromore county Down retired farmer died 22 March 1930 Probate Belfast 26 August to Joseph Kelly farmer and Hugh Johnston draper. Effects £3557 18s. 9d.
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Searching the index to will calendar entries covering the period 1858 to 1965.
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx
Registry : Belfast
Date of Death : 10 October 1913
Date of Grant : 22 March 1915
Full Abstract :
Probate of the Will of John Edgar late of Lower Moybrick County Down Farmer who died 10 October 1913 granted at Belfast to William J. Edgar Farmer.
Effects £193 8s. 10d.
Registry : Belfast
Date of Death : 25 May 1964
Date of Grant : 20 November 1964
Full Abstract :
Edgar, Robert of Moybrick Lower Dromara county Down farmer died 25 May 1964 at Banbridge Hospital Banbridge county Down Probate Belfast 20 November to James Megarry and Robert Norman Edgar farmers.
Effects £2500 0s 0d
KG
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That's spot on KG. Many thanks for that!
Robert Edgar was my Grandfather and Robert Norman was his son (my Uncle) - Norman died a couple of years back aged around 87. Maybe Norman's wife was Megarry as none of Roberts daughters married a Megarry.
John Edgar was my Great Grandfather and William John was his oldest son - this William J could be a Grandson.. I'll confirm this with my Aunt Beth - the last surviving member of Robert's family.
Regarding your earlier comment about Alexander McCully and Eliza McCarron - I think this may be a different connection. When Agnes' mother died she went to live with her Uncle Adam (Alexander's brother) and Adam's father on his marriage registration to Emma Laughlin is shown as Thomas McCully. The 1911 Census show Adam & Emma and Niece Aggie aged 15. Too many Alexander McCully's! But getting clearer and clearer! My Aunt Beth might know was the connection Moore or McCarron. Or it's a different Adam and Emma.