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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Betty.W on Monday 27 April 20 15:58 BST (UK)
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Could anyone please tell me when Charles Higgs (born c1857) and Sarah Murray (born c1854) also they had a daughter Ellen who was born in 1889. Unfortunately there were two Ellen Higgs's born during the same quarter in 1889 - who were the parents of these two Ellens ?
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Can you give some info re birthplaces please? Think some of the first line of your post is missing
There is no Marriage on freebmd between a Charles Higgs and a Sarah Murray
You can use the GRO website to check mmn for births
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
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Birth places for Ellen Higgs
Ellen iggs Islington and Ellen Higgs Holborn
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There is an 1891 entry for an Edward and Sarah Higgs both 19 - unmarried brother and sister. A one year old Ellen Higgs b St Pancras is shown as niece to Edward who is head of household. Sarah could be her mother which means Ellen was illegitimate
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Get the 2 birth references from freebmd then use the link above to check for mmn. One will have no mmn which is probably the 1891 entry
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I have already excluded this one. Sarahs maiden name was Murray.
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I have already excluded this one. Sarahs maiden name was Murray.
Have you excluded this Ellen?
Ellen HIGGS, mmn MURRAY
1889 D Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 679
a possible sister
Ann HIGGS mmn MURRAY
1885 M Quarter in HOLBORN Volume 01B Page 747
and a possible marriage entry for parents - FreeBMD
Dec 1884 HOLBRON
Frederick HIGGS
Female name on same page
Ellen MURRAY
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The first one is a possibility - how can I find mothers first name?
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Frederick Higgs and his wife Ellen Murray are from a different branch of the Murray's
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There is an 1891 entry for an Edward and Sarah Higgs both 19 - unmarried brother and sister.
A one year old Ellen Higgs b St Pancras is shown as niece to Edward who is head of household.
Sarah could be her mother which means Ellen was illegitimate
and a possibility for Edward & Sarah Higgs bn St Pancras on 1881 census with widowed father & siblings
11 & 12, 11, Fortess Mews, St Pancras, London & Middlesex, England
Edward Higgs Head Widower Labourer Tring, Hertfordshire
Harry Higgs Son Labourer Tring, Hertfordshire
William Higgs Son St Pancras, Middlesex
Isabella Higgs Daughter St Pancras, Middlesex
Edward Higgs Son St Pancras, Middlesex
Sarah Higgs Daughter St Pancras, Middlesex
Mary Higgs Daughter St Pancras, Middlesex
Piece 224 Folio 19 Page 32
1871 census shows Edward Higgs born Hertfordshire is married to Isabella age 32
Piece number 244 Folio 70 Page 53
As Carole mentioned you need to find the correct birth entry for Ellen.
You could check to see if you can find a baptism record for the Ellen Higgs born St Pancras from 1891 census to see if her mother is named Sarah Higgs
Don't know if this is the same Ellen as per 1891 census
Ellen HIGGS bn 1890 Clerkenwell London Niece Head of household is Elizabeth MURRAY
1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWGJ-5B5
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Baptism of Sarah Ellen Higgs born 27.7.1889 St Pancras baptised 9.8.1889 mother Sarah Higgs address Workhouse
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Baptism of Sarah Ellen Higgs born 27.7.1889 St Pancras baptised 9.8.1889 mother Sarah Higgs address Workhouse
Thanks Carole - this would be her birth entry mmn left blank on GRO indexes
Sarah Ellen HIGGS -
1889 S Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 101
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Hello, the Ellen higgs mentioned b 1890 with Elizabeth Murray in the census is the daughter of Ellen higgs nee murray. Elizabeth is the wife of Ellen Seniors brother James. This is my family.