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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Pembrokeshire => Topic started by: Westy11 on Monday 27 April 20 04:31 BST (UK)
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Hoping for some assistance to determine if there is/was a memorial inscription for William SMITH whose remains were interred in St Thomas a Becket Haverfordwest, Pembrokeshire 11 Jul 1790. I know very little about the family to date other than that William lived in St Martin's Parish. It seems William was financially comfortable hence thinking he may well have had a headstone.
The reason is I am attempting to discover if William’s wife is interred with him or near him. I know neither the date of her death or her name.
I think she was deceased before William’s death as she was not mentioned in his Will. William made provision for his three daughters; Lucy, Harriet and a daughter who married a SHIPLAND and who is deceased prior to 1790. The SHIPLAND children were mentioned as John SHIPLAND, Peter Winwood SHIPLAND and Lucy SHIPLAND.
I cannot locate baptisms for the three children and at this point in time a little lost as to a way forward hence the shot in the dark hoping some one has access to the burial records for St Thomas.
His eldest daughter Lucy married William BOWEN in 1776 so assuming Lucy was between 20 - 25 years of age at marriage indicating a birth around the 1750. This would then indicate a possible marriage for William SMITH also around the 1750's but this is just supposition.
William BOWEN was born 28 Mar 1748 lending some credibility to a birth around this time for his wife, Lucy SMITH.
Westy
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Don't know if it helps but FreeReg is showing William Smith of St Martins, Buried 11th July 1790 in St Thomas.
Earlier Female Smith burials at St Thomas:
Mary 24th September 1777
Margaret 25th December 1778
Martha of St Mary's 3rd January 1779
Keep safe!
peter
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Hello Peter,
Thanks so much for the information. :)
I will try those names and see what I come up with.
Westy.
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Hello Peter,
Is there a Harriet SMITH also interred at St Thomas around 10 Mar 1818?
A Lucy BOWEN around 15 Sep 1794?
Westy
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https://www.freereg.org.uk
Freereg can be a great source, as is the partner Freecen.
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Hello Peter,
Is there a Harriet SMITH also interred at St Thomas around 10 Mar 1818?
A Lucy BOWEN around 15 Sep 1794?
Westy
Harriet Smith 62, abode Dew Street
No Lucy found
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Many thanks wilcoxon
Westy :)
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Sorry Westy, unable to find anything on Lucy Bowen, but I did come across a marriage bond for William Smith of St Mary, Haverfordwest to Anne Williams sp of St Thomas, Haverfordwest 16-9-1773.
Peter
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Peter, no worries at all.
I thank you for your input and efforts on my behalf. I meant to say earlier that the burial you located for William SMITH of St Martins, buried 11th July 1790 is mine so thank you..
In considering the marriage I think it was too late but I will keep it in mind.
I think based on my ballpark calculations the marriage would have occurred around 1750's.
I have been unable to locate any record for a baptism for William's children, nor a marriage for his daughter whose was the mother of William's SHIPLAND grandchildren.
I am now wondering if perhaps the marriage and births occurred perhaps in England rather than Wales but I don't know. Entering the children's names into Anc and FindMyPast gives me nada so I am just not sure what I am missing.
I will give FamilySearch a go and see what transpires.
Many thanks Peter.
Westy
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I thought the 1773 marriage might have been a clue to the death of his first wife.
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I think the surname of the son in law is Shopland.
Marriage in Bideford Devon by licence 3 March 1779 of John Shopland otp and Mary Ann Smith of St Thomas, Haverfordwest. Witnesses John Dunn, parish clerk & J Jewell schoolmaster.
baptisms in the same parish to John & Mary Ann
John Smith Shopland 5 Jan 1780
Lucy 21 Dec 1781
Haven't spotted Peter as yet but there was a burial 6 Aug 1790 in Landcross of a Peter Winwood Shopland, indexed as 1611 on FindMyPast for some reason.
Just found Mary Ann Shopland buried 30 March 1788 also indexed as 1611...
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the Landcross register is a bit of a mess.
John Smith Shopland aged 2 was buried 19 Oct 1781
Mary Ann Shopland buried 28 Feb 1786
perhaps one of the Mary Anns was a child but not noted.
Marriage by licence 30 April 1804 in Bideford William Short Tyeth and Lucy Shopland, witnesses John & Jane Shopland, all signed.
Possible marriage in Bideford 25 Oct 1794 John Shopland, gent, & jane Crealock both otp
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He made a will. He mentions Lucy Bowden, grandchildren John Shipland , Peter Winwood Shipland,
Ancestry 1790
England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 for William Smith
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He made a will. He mentions Lucy Bowden, grandchildren John Shipland , Peter Winwood Shipland,
Ancestry 1790
England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858 for William Smith
OOps, I can see now you have this already.
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possible burial for Harriet in St Thomas 10 March 1818 aged 62 of Dew Street
baptisms in Prendergast to Mr. William Bowen & Luce/Lucy - must be posh, they have a page to themselves in the register!
William born 7 Feb 1781, privately baptised 12 Feb
Arthur born 17 Aug 1783 privately baptised 12 Sept
George born 8 Sept 1785 privately baptised 9 Sept
Peregrine born 12 Nov 1787 privately baptised 13 Nov
Charlotte born 2 Feb 1789 privately baptised 3 Feb
Charles born 25 March 1790 privately baptised 27 March
not on the same page
Mary bp 15 Sept 1777
Luce bp 7 Oct 1779
Burial in Prendergast 15 Sept 1794 Lucy, wife of William Bowen Esq.
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OMGoodness Peter, Osprey, Willcoxon, :)
The brickwall is broken and all thanks to you wonderful people. :) :) :) :)
Thank you so much.
Westy
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possible burial for Harriet in St Thomas 10 March 1818 aged 62 of Dew Street
baptisms in Prendergast to Mr. William Bowen & Luce/Lucy - must be posh, they have a page to themselves in the register!
William born 7 Feb 1781, privately baptised 12 Feb
Arthur born 17 Aug 1783 privately baptised 12 Sept
George born 8 Sept 1785 privately baptised 9 Sept
Peregrine born 12 Nov 1787 privately baptised 13 Nov
Charlotte born 2 Feb 1789 privately baptised 3 Feb
Charles born 25 March 1790 privately baptised 27 March
not on the same page
Mary bp 15 Sept 1777
Luce bp 7 Oct 1779
Burial in Prendergast 15 Sept 1794 Lucy, wife of William Bowen Esq.
Hello osprey,
What is the source for the births/baptisms please?
Westy
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came from the Wales parish registers on Findmypast. I looked at the register for one son and found the family page. :D
Do you have the death of William Bowen in Bristol in 1826? Quaker burial for non member noted as of Tenby. PCC will mentions second wife Elizabeth.
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Thank you so much Osprey. A great find.
As to William's burial - Yes thank you Osprey. William was born into the Quaker faith and married outside.
I have to locate his second marriage with Elizabeth GOUGH. So far I located one child to this couple William Musgrave BOWEN bap 7 May 1816.
Westy
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marriage at Lambston, Pembs by licence 16 Sept 1803 for William Bowen Esqr. of Prendergast and Elizabeth Gough otp, witnesses Thomas Gough & Richard Evans. All signed.
oops no they didn't, Richard Evan by mark.
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Oh Osprey, :) :)
Thank you so much.
Much appreciated.
Westy
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that's quite a gap between marriage & birth of William Musgrave. None in Pembs. There are 2 couples called William & Elizabeth Bowen baptising children, one in Bridell, one in Bosherton. Both Williams shown as labourer when occupations given on register. Similar in Carmarthenshire, the William in Llanarthney is a carpenter, other one is a farmer.
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True. The name is one that started in 1650 and continues to this day plus he is mentioned in his father's Will. :)
He is also in a Family Bible.
Warm regards,
Westy
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My husband descends from Lucy Smith, daughter of William, and William Bowen. Would love to share information. Please let me know if you see this response and we can organise how to contact. Pam