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Title: John George White
Post by: Ils on Saturday 25 April 20 09:34 BST (UK)
John George White died in Grahamston on 17 May 1892 aged 87.

I have seen his death record but cannot find a grave. His wife Amelia, died in June 1884 also nearby in Bolotwa where their son in law was minister at the Mission.

Looking for help to find burial places. Many thanks.
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: Ils on Monday 27 April 20 11:05 BST (UK)
Hi

As well as place of burial looking for any mention in any local directories for the time. If they exist!,
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 27 April 20 13:05 BST (UK)
Notice of Amelia's death - 13 June 1884.

https://www.eggsa.org/newspapers/index.php/queenstown-free-press/1032-queenstown-free-press-1884-2-april-june
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: Ils on Monday 27 April 20 13:10 BST (UK)
Good stuff thanks fo Amelia info.

JGW proving more elusive :)
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: Ils on Sunday 24 May 20 09:33 BST (UK)
Still having no joy trying to find Amelia’s burial place or gravestone.
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 24 May 20 09:56 BST (UK)
I have to say that my initial guess would be that she is buried at the Mission Station where she died - have you managed to find it's location?
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: Ils on Sunday 24 May 20 10:06 BST (UK)
Yes. I know where it is but hoping to find cemetery records.
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 24 May 20 10:29 BST (UK)
Perhaps the Baptist Union of South Africa may have knowledge of the whereabouts of the records for the Mission Station.  :-\

http://www.baptistunion.org.za/
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: Ils on Monday 25 May 20 09:07 BST (UK)
No joy with that link.

I think the answer lies locally. Anyone know what the local archive or record office is for Bolotwa?
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 25 May 20 10:13 BST (UK)
I was researching my Wesleyan Missionary ancestor and I had quite a lot of useful information from the School of Oriental and African Studies Library in London. 

Or try the Baptist Missionary Society - https://www.bmsworldmission.org/ - they may have knowledge of the whereabouts of burial records etc.

Title: Re: John George White
Post by: Ils on Monday 25 May 20 10:57 BST (UK)
Death Register from St. John the Baptist Mission Church of the Province of South Africa, (Anglican), Bolotwa, Cape Province (now Eastern Cape).


This is the record I think. But where is it held?
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 25 May 20 11:05 BST (UK)
Oops, I misinterpreted "Baptist"  :-[ :-[
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: Ils on Monday 25 May 20 11:11 BST (UK)
No problem. Trying to locate where the register is held is not easy. Hoping someone with local knowledge of Bolotwa and surrounding area knows where they are held.
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 25 May 20 11:13 BST (UK)
I have sent a PM to one of the South African members of RC - hopefully you'll get a response here on the thread.  :)
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: Ils on Monday 25 May 20 11:29 BST (UK)
Great thanks.
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 26 May 20 14:50 BST (UK)
I've made contact and she will look into things for me. you.

Title: Re: John George White
Post by: 3sillydogs on Tuesday 26 May 20 15:21 BST (UK)


Hi

I haven't managed to track down a burial site as yet, it is possible that he was buried on the Mission Station. 

Rhodes University in Cape Town are the custodians of the Archives for the Methodist Church they can be contacted here:

https://www.ru.ac.za/corylibrary/contactus/


This link explains the collections that they have

https://www.ru.ac.za/corylibrary/collections/methodistchurcharchives/


Hope this helps

Title: Re: John George White
Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 26 May 20 15:55 BST (UK)
But I think that he was Anglican. 
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: Ils on Tuesday 26 May 20 17:27 BST (UK)
Thank you. Definitely Anglican Church
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: BumbleB on Tuesday 26 May 20 17:37 BST (UK)
It still might be worth your contacting the Corey Library.  "If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer!"



Title: Re: John George White
Post by: Ils on Wednesday 27 May 20 17:13 BST (UK)
Sorry, can I ask your SA friend trying to find out more?
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 27 May 20 17:18 BST (UK)
3SD will see your reply to this thread, and will I hope respond to you.

I live in England so don't have expert knowledge of SA, although I have visited a few times.

Title: Re: John George White
Post by: Ils on Wednesday 27 May 20 17:20 BST (UK)
Ok thank you. Thanks again to you both for help.
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: 3sillydogs on Friday 29 May 20 15:13 BST (UK)

My apologies  :-[  There was also a Weslyan mission at Bolotwa. 

There are a lot of the Anglican records online on FS, but don't seem to find him there.  Their records are apparently held in a repository at the  William Cullen Library, University of Witwatersrand, Johannesburg.  They can be contacted:

https://libguides.wits.ac.za/c.php?g=145444&p=952307

Hope this helps. 


Title: Re: John George White
Post by: Ils on Monday 01 June 20 08:44 BST (UK)
Thank you. I will try it.
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: Ils on Monday 15 June 20 13:32 BST (UK)
Got a reply from university in SA. Sadly, no records of burials or graves.
Title: Re: John George White
Post by: 3sillydogs on Wednesday 17 June 20 12:02 BST (UK)

You can also try the site www.eggsa.org, they have photos of graves from grave yards all over the country including many farm ones.  You may get lucky...