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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: jwharkness on Wednesday 22 April 20 12:41 BST (UK)
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Looking for a Harkness family living in Annan, Dumfriesshire circa 1740-70. Can anyone help?
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Hello
I'm looking for Thomas Harkness (1759-1832) a direct antecedent, whose spouse was Hannah McKie (1762-1827). The dates come from an MI in the Churchyard of Hutton & Corrie but they lived most of their lives at Lauriesclose near Kirtleton, Middlebie. Thomas died at "Persbyhall" which I have not been able to find but a published Family Tree elsewhere suggests he died in Annan (No source quoted) . Nothing found on the ScotlandsPeople database but (it has been whispered) not every man was an adherent of the Church of Scotland in those times, and OP records are often ragged.
Any suggestions warmly received..
JH
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Hello JW
Concerning Thomas and Hannah Harkness, The OPR records Edward, baptised 30 March 1793; William baptised 3rd Feb 1796 and the MI records Betty's death as 20 April 1864, age 83.
Is this any help?
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They seem to have had four of a family, all baptised in Middlebie
Edward, 30 March 1793
William, 4 May 1796
Margaret, 20 January 1802
James, 8 January 1805
Did any of their family live in Hutton and Corrie?
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Hi
Percebyhall can be found slightly north and east of Lockerbie.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400287
hmcc
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Now mapped as Pearsby Hall
https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NY2384
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I have Francis Harkness 1811-1891 married to Isabella Adamson living in Lauries Close 1861
His parents were John Harkness and Janet Clarke and he was born in Gretna
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I have OPR's for Betty, bpt August 5 1820 at Hawick and her MI suggests born 1761. The OPR only records daughter of Thomas Harkness. Edward, bpt 30 March 1793 at Middlebie, residence Lauriesclose; John, on the MI born 1782, died at Stidriggburn; William, bpt 3rd Feb 1796, Middlebie. The OPR's for Edward and William show them to be sons of both Thomas and Hannah.
I have a marriage for Edward, 30 October 1829 at Graitney, to Margaret Byers. John married to Mary Little according to their MI.
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Sorry, but I am now completely confused.
I have OPR's for Betty, bpt August 5 1820 at Hawick and her MI suggests born 1761.
Baptised in a different county aged 59?
Is this the same Betty
the MI records Betty's death as 20 April 1864, age 83
and if so who is she?
Have you looked at her death certificate?
If she was 83 in 1864, that implies that she was born in 1780/1781, not 1761 (unless you are talking about two different Bettys).
Why do you think the Betty Harkness baptised in Hawick in 1820 is a daughter of your Thomas Harkness? You said that Hannah died in 1827, and Thomas in 1832, and they are both on the same stone. So Thomas cannot have been widowed and remarried. Now, if Betty was born in 1781, her parents cannot have been born much after 1765, and more likely around 1755. So by 1820 Hannah would have been at least 55 years old, therefore she cannot be the mother of the Betty Harkness born in 1820.
May I suggest that you post a full transcription of the MI, rather than just extracts from it? It would be much easier to understand it.
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Whoops, maybe it was a bit late at night. The year for Betty is 1781 going by the MI.
The MI is quite long. It says: John Harkness who died at Stidriggburn 8th June 1859 aged 77years. Mary Little his spouse who also died there 21st June 1858 aged 78years. William Harkness their son who died at Corrie-Common 27th April 1885 aged 75 years. Jemima Stevenson his wife who died there 30th April 1882 aged 66 years. 2nd side: Thomas Harkness who died at Persbyhall 18th May 1832 aged 73 years. Hannah Murray McKie his spouse who died at Heathwood-Park 3rd March 1827 aged 65 years. William Harkness their son who died at Heathwood-Park 19th June 1822 aged 26 years. Betty Harkness their daughter who died at Langshaw 20th April 1864 aged 83 years.
As for the baptism in 1820, you are right. There looks like a younger Thomas Harkness for this Betty somewhere in the mix. Maybe you can find him? A small mistake on my part I think? Keep calm and carry on.
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Blimey, the Betty Harkness thing gets worse. It was late at night though and I've now discovered that it wasn't an OPR baptism but a DEATH record!
And Hawick is a long way from the action. Oh dear! Apologies to all the confused.
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LOL! :)
Duly unconfused, thank you.
I take it that you have looked at all the post-1855 death certificates.
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Thanks to all - much help in there and am able to move forward!
JH